Heft Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 (edited) yeah the second one... and well if you ask me scaling down the reps as the war lasts longer is kinda dumb... way to give people the idea that if they fight long enough, they wont have to pay reps and help the winner rebuild... keeping them low enough for a near future attack... thats full of logic isnt itand im still laughing at the hegemony trying to take the moral high ground here actually, nevermind the other karma alliances, we're all allowed to see kama as we like... be it what goes around comes around (as in smacking the Hegemony as hard as they have smacked other alliances) or whatever some people seem to think karma is or was.... seeing alliances such as NPO, TOOL, IRON running here and screaming how unfair we were to Echelon is laughable and in no way can they claim moral high ground here... its just priceless... TTK: 5000 Tech MA: 300 million and 7,500 tech GOD: 10,000 technology and three jars of jam Watching the Hegemony try and claim moral high ground: Priceless I haven't seen IRON nor TOOL saying much of anything in there, and certainly not "screaming how unfair" the Echelon terms were. I don't normally obstruct delusional ranting, but I happen to like both of those alliances. (Further, not even NPO have done much screaming - excepting James Dahl, but I'm pretty sure no one listens to him anyway). edit: I completely thought this was a different thread, I'm going to just go ahead and assume that this is still accurate for this thread anyway though. Edited July 8, 2009 by Heft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caffine Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 (edited) yeah the second one... and well if you ask me scaling down the reps as the war lasts longer is kinda dumb... way to give people the idea that if they fight long enough, they wont have to pay reps and help the winner rebuild... keeping them low enough for a near future attack... thats full of logic isnt itand im still laughing at the hegemony trying to take the moral high ground here actually, nevermind the other karma alliances, we're all allowed to see kama as we like... be it what goes around comes around (as in smacking the Hegemony as hard as they have smacked other alliances) or whatever some people seem to think karma is or was.... seeing alliances such as NPO, TOOL, IRON running here and screaming how unfair we were to Echelon is laughable and in no way can they claim moral high ground here... its just priceless... TTK: 5000 Tech MA: 300 million and 7,500 tech GOD: 10,000 technology and three jars of jam Watching the Hegemony try and claim moral high ground: Priceless No wonder there's rumors going around of Karma disavowing you. Edited July 8, 2009 by Caffine1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keres Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 (edited) No wonder there's rumors going around of Karma disavowing you. meh, all pissed because said *expletive deleted* came back to hit YOU in the face Caffine? you got yourself a big mouth, and yes you can probably blame yourself for the terms... or part of em anyway... Edited July 8, 2009 by keres666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Brendan Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 I haven't seen IRON nor TOOL saying much of anything in there, and certainly not "screaming how unfair" the Echelon terms were. I don't normally obstruct delusional ranting, but I happen to like both of those alliances. (Further, not even NPO have done much screaming - excepting James Dahl, but I'm pretty sure no one listens to him anyway).edit: I completely thought this was a different thread, I'm going to just go ahead and assume that this is still accurate for this thread anyway though. Bama = TOOL, no matter what his AA says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Bama = TOOL, no matter what his AA says. I think he specifically said as soon as the war is over he is rejoining TOOL somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 It's pretty clear that Bama's opinions are not the same as TOOL's, regardless of whether or not he intends on rejoining after the war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFish Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 I haven't seen IRON nor TOOL saying much of anything in there, and certainly not "screaming how unfair" the Echelon terms were. I don't normally obstruct delusional ranting, but I happen to like both of those alliances. (Further, not even NPO have done much screaming - excepting James Dahl, but I'm pretty sure no one listens to him anyway).edit: I completely thought this was a different thread, I'm going to just go ahead and assume that this is still accurate for this thread anyway though. That would be a rather poor assumption as IRON has called these terms "sickening" and expressed how they "can't wait for the next big war." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dejarue Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 I don't see TOOL as being lumped into the Hegemony. They just happened to have treaties that pulled them into that side of the war. They've generally kept to themselves and been respectful as long as I've observed them working in CN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypoNinja Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 We were told thats exactly what would happen for us if we accepted the surrender terms, so I do appreciate that you've proven to us that you can't be trusted to follow through with that. Thats because the NPO's surrender terms specifically allow for scaling down. Echelons did not. Apples and Oranges. NPO's reps are listed as a possible maximum, Echelons were listed as a definitive figure. NPO's reps are getting harder to pay the longer it drags out though, since like Echelon the tech can only be payed by those over 1k tech, as time goes on less nations are able to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahenshah Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 (edited) That would be a rather poor assumption as IRON has called these terms "sickening" and expressed how they "can't wait for the next big war." NoFish, can you kindly inform where 'can't wait for the next big war' has been flouted around? It seems I have less knowledge of IRON despite being in IRON compared to our you here in GOD. I cannot recall such line or policy anywhere on forums :/. I demandz access to topp sekretz IRON-GOD Conspiracy channel immediatlaay!! Edited July 8, 2009 by shahenshah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahenshah Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 (edited) -snip-seeing alliances such as NPO, TOOL, IRON running here and screaming how unfair we were to Echelon is laughable and in no way can they claim moral high ground here... its just priceless... Edit: Clarification IRON screaming? Where? where? Also, Priceless joke was extremely funny. It's value hardly erodes despite being so old and overused. You sir are a Pro-Joker. /Respect. Edited July 8, 2009 by shahenshah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypoNinja Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 IRON screaming? Where? where? Please, give us a break and those terms you listed, do tell me how much of it IRON put in its pocket. Self fulfilling prophesy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahenshah Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 (edited) Self fulfilling prophesy. Oh I thought he was talking of past-tense. GrammerPhail. Edited July 8, 2009 by shahenshah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypoNinja Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Oh I thought he was talking of past-tense. GrammerPhail. Actually that was just my 4 am attempt at humor, I have no idea what he was going for. /me passes out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virillus Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 (edited) I'm not fan of harsh terms, never have been. But seeing somebody who perpetuated them get slapped with exactly what they tossed about so freely when the shoe was on the other foot fills me with a sense of deep seated satisfaction. Unfortunately for Echelon, the universe doesn't operate under the holy principle of "no tag-backs." Edited July 8, 2009 by Virillus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R&R-Viking Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 We were told thats exactly what would happen for us if we accepted the surrender terms, so I do appreciate that you've proven to us that you can't be trusted to follow through with that. If I had my druthers both NPO and Echelon wouldn't have been given terms at all, so I don't think you really want to trust me in particular. I don't have any sympathy whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFish Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 NoFish, can you kindly inform where 'can't wait for the next big war' has been flouted around? It seems I have less knowledge of IRON despite being in IRON compared to our you here in GOD. I cannot recall such line or policy anywhere on forums :/. I demandz access to topp sekretz IRON-GOD Conspiracy channel immediatlaay!! SickeningI can't wait till the next large war. My most sincere apologies, it was "large" not "big," my mistake. I have been thoroughly shamed on my lack of knowledge of IRON by your scathing rhetoric and close reading abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yggdrazil Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Thread after thread there is a litany of wrongs that the anti-hegemony continue to bring up. Yet, none of these reps are going to the list of wronged alliances; Gato, Fan, NpO, etc. To correct these wrongs continually brought up should not these wronged alliance receive the bulk of the reps. And since actions speak louder than words you can determine the motivations of those who speak of past wrongs when they are the recipients of cash and tech and the wronged alliances get none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFish Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Thread after thread there is a litany of wrongs that the anti-hegemony continue to bring up. Yet, none of these reps are going to the list of wronged alliances; Gato, Fan, NpO, etc. To correct these wrongs continually brought up should not these wronged alliance receive the bulk of the reps. And since actions speak louder than words you can determine the motivations of those who speak of past wrongs when they are the recipients of cash and tech and the wronged alliances get none. Read the OP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycurgus Rex Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Just got to this thread after reading everything else, my opinion of the terms...overly harsh. By a long shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seerow Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Sure, but if you have no money and bills that are half a mil, how exactly is collecting 0 dollars going to help?I'm not going to go into the whole politics involved in the surrender, but it wasn't for my sake I'll put it that way. If you're ZI, yeah it kinda does. It doesn't get you out of bill lock, but you survive and don't delete. Take it from someone who was at ZI for more than half the time you have been playing cybernations. It's not only possible, people do it all the time. Don't blame others for your cowardice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverCaffeinated Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 NoFish, can you kindly inform where 'can't wait for the next big war' has been flouted around? It seems I have less knowledge of IRON despite being in IRON compared to our you here in GOD. I cannot recall such line or policy anywhere on forums :/. I demandz access to topp sekretz IRON-GOD Conspiracy channel immediatlaay!! Bay made a comment earlier in this thread. And has already been explained, it wasn't a threat from IRON (hard to threaten when you have zero military) but more that many people will get a great deal of satisfaction out of watching these alliances, that are destroying this alliance with these harsh terms, getting what is coming to them in the next war. And as anyone who follows CN politics knows, it will happen regardless if IRON plays any role in it. You still have a chance to break the cycle and make friends out of enemies. These terms will make it so the alliance that goes by the name Echelon will not be a threat to get revenge in the future, but the scattered members, friends and allies will remember these terms and will be a threat. If you were wise, you would see and understand why other alliances haven't asked for reps and understand how much greater of an advantage it has been for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahenshah Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 TY OC for aligning the comments with the context they were intended for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daikos Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 I remember back before Darkfall merged having to deal with Echelon diplomatically. I use the term diplomatically since the whole process involved Echelon members and NpO members flooding into our IRC channel to insult our government and our members and threatening to ZI our entire alliance if we didn't ban a member who, I admit foolishly, spoke poorly of them. This resulted in a founding member of our alliance being forced to leave our ranks which eventually led to his quitting of CN. What goes around comes around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Fury Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Harsh terms for no reason. Its completely unfair especially when enemy alliances were rude enough to message me offensive letters even their "reason for war" was soomthing crude and had the humor of a 12 year old boy. I have seen war before but I haven't seen barbarians until this one. I just hope this surrender rings a bell and reminds us that never again must we become as tyrannical as these people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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