kevin32891 Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 After reading the last few posts by NPO, I can see the propaganda presses are still open, and thus I am very disappointed in NPO, not only for rejecting the terms and choosing to keep fighting a war they will never win, and by once again trying to manipulate the public mind about what Karma is. Does Karma issue party masks to hide your faces. Stop lying to yourself and say you want us dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristospherein Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 70 pages Good luck getting realistic terms What does 70 pages of trolling have to do with realistic terms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeta Defender Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Or what you did to Polar. We canceled a treaty with them. We did not attack a single Polar nation during that war and saying by not being at their side we are just as guilty of pulling the trigger is not logical. As for the reps themselves, I have no idea what went down, and unless you were there, the point is moot for this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin32891 Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 oh hey nice sig. Brothers till the end eh? Well sorry to say but that "end" is right around the corner. Id say another week or 2 till NPO reaches its end. You guys dont have the coordination, strength, willingness, and closeness of FAN to stick it out. You will come back begging for peace. Just wait..... Its ok I like where whats left of my tech is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teriethien Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 So it was ok for them to BAAWWW about how the NPO is evil, but assoon as we do its a PR stunt. Please stop contradicting yourself. And people ask me why I avoid this place. It's interesting to see Pacificans doing all they can to take thing out of context in their tireless but ultimately rather transparent effort to put their spin on things. For reference, I said one wonders why it worked for Vox but not NPO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kremlin Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 And what are "realistic" terms? Saying they're sorry and getting a pat on the back? Their counteroffer seemed a bit more reasonable. I'm not involved on either side of the war, but it's painful to watch at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzog Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) We canceled a treaty with them. We did not attack a single Polar nation during that war and saying by not being at their side we are just as guilty of pulling the trigger is not logical. As for the reps themselves, I have no idea what went down, and unless you were there, the point is moot for this discussion. Don't even start with that. Dilber planned the isolation and destruction of the NpO for months. How do I know this? He told me. I'm not involved on either side of the war, but it's painful to watch at this point. If by 'painful' you mean 'hilarious', then I agree. Edited June 13, 2009 by kingzog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeta Defender Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 oh hey nice sig. Brothers till the end eh? Well sorry to say but that "end" is right around the corner. Id say another week or 2 till NPO reaches its end. You guys dont have the coordination, strength, willingness, and closeness of FAN to stick it out. You will come back begging for peace. Just wait..... This is coming from the guy who left our little brotherhood before seeing what it truly meant to be a Pacifican. Also you have no idea about our resolve, we have survived 3 yrs, we will survive 3 more, you can not kill us so give up that point already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilien Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Their counteroffer seemed a bit more reasonable. I'm not involved on either side of the war, but it's painful to watch at this point. I can definitely agree with the second part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Death II Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 We canceled a treaty with them. We did not attack a single Polar nation during that war and saying by not being at their side we are just as guilty of pulling the trigger is not logical. As for the reps themselves, I have no idea what went down, and unless you were there, the point is moot for this discussion. You canceled a treaty that was written to NEVER BE CANCELED. If you are not at wrong for destroying Polaris, then you are at wrong for abandoning them when the going got rough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristospherein Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 After reading the last few posts by NPO, I can see the propaganda presses are still open, and thus I am very disappointed in NPO, not only for rejecting the terms and choosing to keep fighting a war they will never win, and by once again trying to manipulate the public mind about what Karma is. Karma, ha! So the forces that eventually take you guys down will be called Karma as well for what your coalition have in mind for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin32891 Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 It's interesting to see Pacificans doing all they can to take thing out of context in their tireless but ultimately rather transparent effort to put their spin on things.For reference, I said one wonders why it worked for Vox but not NPO. Isn't this what Karma is doing in this thread? Maybe you should post something that's longer then four words. Because stating opinions is crying. o/ Karma and its new era Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Death II Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) This is coming from the guy who left our little brotherhood before seeing what it truly meant to be a Pacifican. Also you have no idea about our resolve, we have survived 3 yrs, we will survive 3 more, you can not kill us so give up that point already. ooohhh dont you dare go there, dont YOU DARE! I was a proud loyal member until your "fearless" leader kicked me out because of a BS reason. I never left on my own accord, you guys got rid of me. I had done thing wrong except support Ivan and Anthony when it was unpopular. You dont know what it means to be a Pacifican. Also the past is past. Edited June 13, 2009 by King Death II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenix700 Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 This whole thing seems a little whiny and crybaby-ish. I personally think you deserved harsher terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinisterSix Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Neither we nor anyone on Planet Bob have ever been subjected to terms with such clauses designed to keep an alliance destroyed for so long. Fed something? Fad? FAN maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristospherein Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 oh hey nice sig. Brothers till the end eh? Well sorry to say but that "end" is right around the corner. Id say another week or 2 till NPO reaches its end. You guys dont have the coordination, strength, willingness, and closeness of FAN to stick it out. You will come back begging for peace. Just wait..... uh ok. We've gone a month already without giving up, what's another two weeks or two months or two years? Offer realistic terms and we will accept, if not, this war continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeta Defender Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 You canceled a treaty that was written to NEVER BE CANCELED. If you are not at wrong for destroying Polaris, then you are at wrong for abandoning them when the going got rough. With that logic that means no treaty can ever be canceled if it is ambiguous with regards to cancellation. Simple fact is differences occurred, we dropped the treaty after Moo did give them warning before the cancellation occurred. As for the political situation that grew out of it is another story and you can go ask the alliances who rolled Polar for is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin32891 Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 ooohhh dont you dare go there, dont YOU DARE! I was a proud loyal member until your "fearless" leader kicked me out because of a BS reason. I never left on my own accord, you guys got rid of me. I had done thing wrong except support Ivan and Anthony when it was unpopular. You dont know what it means to be a Pacifican. Also the past is past. I supported Ivan at one point, nothing happened to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles the Great Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 (edited) I have no real beef with the NPO one way or another ....... but IMO it would be foolish of KARMA to back down at all ........ if NPO comes out of this with their top nations intact there will be repercussions in the future. thanks CtG Edited June 13, 2009 by Charles the Great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebubu Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 [*] All NPO nations must maintain a full military force at all time. This includes all military improvements and a full force of military units. If a nation don't have enough improvement slots to maintain all military improvements, they must be built in this order: Guerilla camps, Shipyard, Drydock, Satellite, Missile Defence, Barracks, Naval academy, Naval construction yard. [*] No NPO nations can own factories. [*] No NPO nations can have full trade slots at any time These are all hard if not impossible to enforce. Alliance statistics (and this includes the alliance improvement list) update every 12 hours; collecting and even temping with military improvements and soldiers decommissioned takes less than a minute. Same goes with factories and buying infrastructure. As for the terms actually presented, well, tough luck Pacifica. I have no sympathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerBaby Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 There is more to war then just being a meat shileld and taking a beating. You don't expect them to want to fight back?OOC: Try getting anything 90% active in any RL group, almost never happens. If they aren't active over the next 20 days they are deleted. I just checked the calendar. 20 days will pass a lot sooner than the transition to winter. Simplicity. Visit the edit page or contnue being dismantled till winter. When, judging by all the whining about logistical nightmares, "particularly this time of year" it will be easier to visit the edit page and click. Hey I agree with you. I prefer you to take the second option which apparently is your preference. I'm with you all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teriethien Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 We canceled a treaty with them. Hell freezing over is not something you should dismiss this lightly We did not attack a single Polar nation during that war and saying by not being at their side we are just as guilty of pulling the trigger is not logical. As for the reps themselves, I have no idea what went down, and unless you were there, the point is moot for this discussion. No, you didn't attack them and I never said you did. I'm not talking about the reps either, though by sitting victors' side at the negotiation tables you clearly were just as guilty. Still, this is not exactly relevant to this thread so I'll shut up now [ooc]time to sleep[/ooc]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristospherein Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Also the past is past. The past is the past?!?! Isn't that what this war and these 70 pages of trolling are all about, the NPOs past transgressions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Death II Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 With that logic that means no treaty can ever be canceled if it is ambiguous with regards to cancellation. Simple fact is differences occurred, we dropped the treaty after Moo did give them warning before the cancellation occurred. As for the political situation that grew out of it is another story and you can go ask the alliances who rolled Polar for is. You obviously dont know your treaty then. Article 1 This pact will be in effect immediately and unto perpetuity. If any signatory alliance takes part in coordinated military action against another signatory alliance, that alliance will be subject to immediate expulsion by vote of the remaining signatory parties and subject to full scale military retribution. perpetuity - Time without end; eternity. It was specifically written in there to NEVER end, NEVER be canceled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenix700 Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 The past is the past?!?! Isn't that what this war and these 70 pages of trolling are all about, the NPOs past transgressions? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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