Heracles the Great Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Drama llama just entered the room... watch out for his droppings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edikroma Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 BS, like this wouild ever be posted in public... It would, and it has been. I never post in these things, but mhawk has a tendency to forget about Internal Affairs. He needs a wake up call. If you want to call BS, go ahead. But I'm sick and tired of getting pushed aside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pezstar Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 It would, and it has been. I never post in these things, but mhawk has a tendency to forget about Internal Affairs. He needs a wake up call. If you want to call BS, go ahead. But I'm sick and tired of getting pushed aside. If the ideals of TPF are that of an alliance that does not wish to condemn leaders to the point of forcing them out of the Cyberverse, and your ideals are that of an alliance that does wish to do so, perhaps you are not in the right alliance anymore. Valhalla may be a better fit for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintenderek Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 mhawk, I have gone along with most, if not all of your attempts to "upgrade" TPF, but I must protest this. Getting rid of our EZI and PZI policies is going to do nothing but weaken TPF. In these times of wanton spying and other EZI worthy acts, we need to make sure people know that once they become an enemy of TPF, we are willing to chase them as long as they remain in the game. And if it means placing them on an EZI list and hunting them through their various reincarnations, then so be it. Your policies of forgiveness and constant backing down are nothing more than appeasement.What angers me more is that you never invited me into the discussion of this policy. I think as MoIA, I have a right to be asked about this. You think this will weaken TPF? Your obviously thinking as an MoIA then. Let's think about your external affairs for a second. Having trouble getting along with other alliances lately? It's because nobody likes an alliance which condones PZI and EZI any more. It's wrong and people should have the opportunity to come back and play this game. I don't agree with TPF or Mhawk often, but this I most certainly do agree with, and I think you'd have to be crazy to not agree with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Though I'll agree that this reads like the fake gov forum (highscool playwright), I'll bite. The idea that we will all call for change, then condemn it when it happens is not congruent. Single actors in TPF have moved away from some of their older crappy stances, and even if mhawk can't say no to Slayer99, he's not Slayer99. I would remind everyone that in the BAPSmear war it was TPF and Purge throwing a fit about Valhalla PZIing TDSM8 and Slayer that used his pull to have that revoked. If TPF is pulling our legs, then mhawk can go to Hell. If not, then I commend them for thinking about themselves, their policies, and acting upon their conclusions. It's real enough all right. Pardon me, my muzzle itches. voxhotline@gmail.com What angers me more is that you never invited me into the discussion of this policy. I think as MoIA, I have a right to be asked about this. In strictest terms, EZI falls under foreign affairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iosif Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Oh jolly, aren't we clever now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 but mhawk has a tendency to forget about Internal Affairs. Uh, welcome to TPF. Last year called . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamerlane Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 mhawk, I have gone along with most, if not all of your attempts to "upgrade" TPF, but I must protest this. Getting rid of our EZI and PZI policies is going to do nothing but weaken TPF. In these times of wanton spying and other EZI worthy acts, we need to make sure people know that once they become an enemy of TPF, we are willing to chase them as long as they remain in the game. And if it means placing them on an EZI list and hunting them through their various reincarnations, then so be it. Your policies of forgiveness and constant backing down are nothing more than appeasement.What angers me more is that you never invited me into the discussion of this policy. I think as MoIA, I have a right to be asked about this. Because EZI obviously has to do with the Internal Affairs of an alliance :lol: If you think E-ZI and P-ZI is an effective policy in stopping spies, you have really got some growing up to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hizzy Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 It would, and it has been. I never post in these things, but mhawk has a tendency to forget about Internal Affairs. He needs a wake up call. If you want to call BS, go ahead. But I'm sick and tired of getting pushed aside. Spy hunt #2? hahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krzyzewskiville Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 I'll make the same call as everyone else: I'm waiting for the treaty to be upgraded to an MADP. In my long past, I've seen nothing that would make me believe that mhawk would want to move away from Valhalla or chefjoe... so if this treaty is legitimately gone for good, I would be extremely shocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epiphanus Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 This is beyond unexpected to me :\ Good luck I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buds The Man Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 While it's never been explicitly stated, our record has been against e-ZI/p-ZI...for the most part we've only asked those that have wronged us to get on IRC for a chat...and we've let them off. I LOLed at this This is a load of crap, and I really hope you forgot your sarcasm tags. Cleaning up the mistakes of a past government is commendable. Or should we all judge you on noWedge's reign and label you opportunist for ousting him... Really If the ideals of TPF are that of an alliance that does not wish to condemn leaders to the point of forcing them out of the Cyberverse, and your ideals are that of an alliance that does wish to do so, perhaps you are not in the right alliance anymore. Valhalla may be a better fit for you. Your still here Pez i guess that says something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Curella Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Nicely done, mhawk. I was never particularly a fan of the EZI/PZI practice. Keeping people from playing the game forever is petty and childish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pezstar Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 I LOLed at thisReally Your still here Pez i guess that says something. I'm still here because when you guys wanted me at the end of the NoCB war, STA said no, posted your threats publicly, and humiliated Valhalla. It says that STA has guts. It says that Valhalla only holds to their ideals when it's the popular thing to do. Man, I hope this treaty cancellation is real. There is no such thing as an alliance that is better off for having you as a friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septer Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Best of luck to our protectors in TPF, also best of luck to our Viking friends on Purple o/ TPF o/ Valhalla Sad to see this treaty end On the other subject, it is a wondrous thing to see when an alliance ends EZI practices Hopefully more alliances will follow suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Xander the Only Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Kind of unexpected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiderJerusalem Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 I really can't believe this just yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electron Sponge Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Spy hunt #2?hahahaha okay I'll bite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 (edited) mhawk, I have gone along with most, if not all of your attempts to "upgrade" TPF, but I must protest this. Getting rid of our EZI and PZI policies is going to do nothing but weaken TPF. In these times of wanton spying and other EZI worthy acts, we need to make sure people know that once they become an enemy of TPF, we are willing to chase them as long as they remain in the game. And if it means placing them on an EZI list and hunting them through their various reincarnations, then so be it. Your policies of forgiveness and constant backing down are nothing more than appeasement.What angers me more is that you never invited me into the discussion of this policy. I think as MoIA, I have a right to be asked about this. Yeah, because EZI has really been effective in stopping us. What a fool mhawk is! I'm still here because when you guys wanted me at the end of the NoCB war, STA said no, posted your threats publicly, and humiliated Valhalla. It says that STA has guts. It says that Valhalla only holds to their ideals when it's the popular thing to do. Haha, so true. Why do you think STA got peace terms? Because chefjoe knew it'd be a PR nightmare to keep such a loved alliance down. It's funny, isn't it? They're quite guilty of the caving to public pressure that Pansy was earlier accusing TPF of. Damnit sponge. Edit: Actually that's all still true. Oh well. Damnit sponge, anyway. Edited April 14, 2009 by Doitzel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiderJerusalem Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 okay I'll bite ahaha... Well played Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Wilson Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 okay I'll bite And...jokes over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaitlinK Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 (edited) Stupid jokes really serve no purpose other than attempt to make others look foolish. Edited April 14, 2009 by KaitlinK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Principe Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 I was going to say "Wow, some huge changes TPF." Now I will say: Wow, your are officialy against E/PZI, huge change TPF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzelger Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 okay I'll bite Looks like you've squandered most of your good PR from the first part of the announcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pezstar Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 (edited) Stupid jokes really serve no purpose other than attempt to make others look foolish. It makes no one look foolish but themselves. The only foolish thing folks have done here was forget who we were dealing with and dared to believe a word that came out of the mouths of TPF. Those who were already hesitant to trust them have only been proven right. Those of us who went ahead and took them at their word can only shake our heads sadly. Due to the ambiguous nature of the first part of the announcement, it's doubtful even that will prove to be what we all hoped it was. Pathetic. Edited April 14, 2009 by pezstar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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