Vilien Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 The message was clear. It was also true. I'm sure they're sorry to have hurt your feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdasda10 Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 And where are these insults, exactly? Blatant or not, if you read between the lines, the insults are there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Srqt Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Good luck VE, you may need it. They don't need luck. Canceling treaties is one thing, insulting former partners that have done a great deal with and for you on the way out is another. Hope the air is nice and crisp up in that tower, VE. Sometimes the truth hurts, that doesn't make it any less true. Good show VE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Stark Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Just because it is done poetically and in statements of further policy doesn't mean it isn't obvious what is meant. Did this announcement require the statements:The message was clear. Yes it did. Cancellations for no reason are bad. Justification are good. I think most would agree it wasn't an insult. It was simply, the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Just because it is done poetically and in statements of further policy doesn't mean it isn't obvious what is meant. Did this announcement require the statements:The message was clear. So VE not wanting to be a second tier ally is an insult? That's my interpretation of it. And no, I don't see the point of denying that their a tier system amongst the alliances that make up the hegemony. There are simply too many for all of you to be equals, and you are incredibly naive if you believe that we are all naive enough to believe just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer99 Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 And so it begins....lines drawn, etc., etc., yadda, yadda. Time for a new poll on the next Great War... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Just because it is done poetically and in statements of further policy doesn't mean it isn't obvious what is meant. Did this announcement require the statements:The message was clear. Your kidding right? VE was saying how they dont want to be used, dont want allies who wont help in times of need, and they want honest allies. Thats an insult? If anything they are canceling because they were insulted by some sort of combination of the stated reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venizelos Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 ...On a semi related Note, the Viridian Entente wishes to issue the following message to The International, It has become clear to us that there may be a misconception on how we view our actions in the recent interactions between our two alliances. At the onset, we confronted you undiplomatically and in a generally “not very nice” tone. This was unwarranted and brought about not by you, but by personal stresses. We recognize that this attitude played a role in Craig’s actions that culminated in his issuance of a personal apology. For this, and by our own accord, we wish to extend to you our most sincere apology, and we truly hope that one day we can start on a fresh slate and see each other as we truly are. ... VE, i want to carry your babies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnCapistan Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 I'm happy the VE was able to apologize too The International Too hardest things to say: I'm Sorry I'm Wrong Just my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercyFallout Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 (edited) Blatant or not, if you read between the lines, the insults are there. Or, you know, you're blowing it out of proportion and simply can't handle the truth because you are used to being spoon-fed by your government about how your alliance is completely and totally infallible? EDIT: you're, your. Same difference. :v Edited March 24, 2009 by MercyFallout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redoran Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 ...VE, i want to carry your babies. I bought a condom for nothing, eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Doctor Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Incidentally yes it was HellScream who got that thread closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnCapistan Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 This discussion was just shifted. Have fun makin babies VE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan King Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 The Viridian Entente does not wish to be allied to those whose support will only be given when they deem fit. The Viridian Entente does not wish to be allied to those who attempt to use political pressure to influence our sovereign actions. The Viridian Entente does not wish to be allied to those who cannot be honest, forthright, and frank with us about their intentions and reasoning. I agree with these statements. However pretending that the alliances that were canceled on and their allies are the only ones who do these things is frankly over simplistic and inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gears of War Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 I applaud VE for this move. Good luck in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Or, you know, you're blowing it out of proportion and simply can't handle the truth because you are used to being spoon-fed by your government about how your alliance is completely and totally infallible? This is pretty funny. You ought to do a little reading and find out who Anu is. He's not getting spoonfed by NATO government. His signature is on the Mobius Accords (as he was then Secretary General of NATO). He's currently the High Councilor Potentia of NATO. (That is, a triumvir for those of you not used to NATO's system of government.) As for the rest of you. If someone accused me of treating them as a second-tier ally, I'd feel insulted. Wouldn't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crushtania Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Oh my. This certainly is bold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvon Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 (edited) I agree with these statements. However pretending that the alliances that were canceled on and their allies are the only ones who do these things is frankly over simplistic and inaccurate. No ones pretending no one else does. However, there are no existing treaties with anyone else whom they feel treat them second rate - therefore no need to call attention to or cancel other said treaties. Unless you want them to publicly declare a list of alliances whom shouldn't even bother attempting relations. Then I'm sure you could be presented a more complete list. Edited March 24, 2009 by Rayvon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvon Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 As for the rest of you. If someone accused me of treating them as a second-tier ally, I'd feel insulted.Wouldn't you? And how would you feel if you treated as such? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdasda10 Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 (edited) Or, you know, you're blowing it out of proportion and simply can't handle the truth because you are used to being spoon-fed by your government about how your alliance is completely and totally infallible?EDIT: you're, your. Same difference. :v Or, you know, I was just making a comment as to what I observed. The government of TORN has not stated anything regarding this matter in public or private, so maybe you should think twice before insulting alliances. Edited March 24, 2009 by the great sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen Lee Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 However pretending that the alliances that were canceled on and their allies are the only ones who do these things is frankly over simplistic and inaccurate. What are you talking about....? They commented on their allies and former allies, why would they comment on anyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnCapistan Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Incidentally yes it was HellScream who got that thread closed. Yes! I got something right for a change! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Srqt Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 This is pretty funny.You ought to do a little reading and find out who Anu is. He's not getting spoonfed by NATO government. His signature is on the Mobius Accords (as he was then Secretary General of NATO). He's currently the High Councilor Potentia of NATO. (That is, a triumvir for those of you not used to NATO's system of government.) As for the rest of you. If someone accused me of treating them as a second-tier ally, I'd feel insulted. Wouldn't you? Not if I had been treating them as a second tier ally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facade Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 I've always loved you VE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunstar Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 "You can't fire me, I quit!" Also, I'm curious: what sparked the apology since a week ago you were pretty adamant that it wasn't called for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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