Cataduanes Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 (edited) Sup Cata :lol: Leave ODN You know me well enough to know that i will go the full 12 rounds...we have not quite reached the end yet You know where your home is... I have three communities close to my heart, whom i love above all others; ODN, CPCN/International & GATO and home is where the heart is (:lol: whats that too corny or what? :lol:). Edited February 17, 2009 by Cataduanes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyseto123 Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 NPO was not even kind enough to provide their puppets internet? What kind of life are you leading in Legion anyway.. 1. Puppets never get internet. 2. Puppets can't use internet. I wasn't aware zombies were considered to be living. That's because they are. I've felt the same about Legion after EVERY SINGLE LOSS you've ever faced. We're mother****ing zombies, what can I say? Increased flipping everything! More STR, ACC, SPD, EVERYTHING! Huzzah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astronaut jones Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Should TPF decide to dissolve our government and appoint Greenacres OneBallMan to the position of Emperor Viceroy via [OOC]in-game PMS[/OOC] at noon on a random day, they're free to try it I saw my name mentioned. Hi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenzilla Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 1. Puppets never get internet.2. Puppets can't use internet. That's because they are. We're mother****ing zombies, what can I say? Increased flipping everything! More STR, ACC, SPD, EVERYTHING! Huzzah! So with stats still lower than what they were back in GWIII about 2 years ago...You are stronger now? Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northrend Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Yes that is one way of putting it, CN Commies have in the past done tried to do that or did you think Vox Pop was the first community to attempt to fight the powers that be? As for what they are doing at present i wlll let a Commie flying a Commie AA answer that Here, let me help you. They're pandering to the alliances that can't do anything to change the fabric of whats wrong with this community. Alliances like the Optional Defense Network. Also, just because you tried and failed, does that mean you have to become apart of the broken system? How much does that leftist "unity" mean to you, International? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted February 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 So with stats still lower than what they were back in GWIII about 2 years ago...You are stronger now? Nice. They probably define strength by the number of WRCs their closest allies have -- you know, like the imperial green village. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenzilla Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 (edited) Are they allied to NATO too? They have 0 WRC as well. Edited February 17, 2009 by Chickenzilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mongol-Swedes Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Here, let me help you. They're pandering to the alliances that can't do anything to change the fabric of whats wrong with this community. Alliances like the Optional Defense Network. Also, just because you tried and failed, does that mean you have to become apart of the broken system? How much does that leftist "unity" mean to you, International? The ODN are Leftist? They'd better get with our motto, then. )): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northrend Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 The ODN are Leftist? They'd better get with our motto, then. )): Are they? You're guess is as good as mine, since I never claimed they were. I merely made the observation that the Communists seem to value them as allies. As to why I am not certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mongol-Swedes Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Are they? You're guess is as good as mine, since I never claimed they were. I merely made the observation that the Communists seem to value them as allies. As to why I am not certain. Your guess is as good as mine. I think it might have something to do with the ICSN and some pretty awesome community developed during that time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northrend Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Your guess is as good as mine. I think it might have something to do with the ICSN and some pretty awesome community developed during that time? Oh, and exactly what awesome community would that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovyet Gelibolu Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Here, let me help you. They're pandering to the alliances that can't do anything to change the fabric of whats wrong with this community. Alliances like the Optional Defense Network. Also, just because you tried and failed, does that mean you have to become apart of the broken system? How much does that leftist "unity" mean to you, International? Your troll post is important to us. Please hold. 1. We pander to people? Last I checked (and remember that, for the time being, I'm in charge of this sort of thing), INT was treatied with people with whom it got along, who it respected, and who it believed it could defend and would reciprocate in war. It's one of the reasons we have so few treaties compared to other alliances our size. As for "what's wrong with this community", I can't speak for INT, but the way I see things, the root of the problem is the way members of alliances see themselves. This effects the way alliances are governed, as well as they way alliances behave internationally. I have expressed these views on the forums, and in a condensed version on CN wiki; feel free to check them out. Trying to change the way members of alliances see themselves is almost impossible unless you manage to become a significant and vocal presence in other alliances, which is beyond our capacity. Without changing the way members of alliances see themselves, it is difficult to change the way alliances behave internationally. For INT, "change" in CN begins with constructing a model of how an alliance's members can see themselves, and how such an alliance can be governed, that can be imitated by those who care to try. Only once many alliances have cared to try will we begin to see change in how alliances conduct their foreign affairs. 2. Our relationship with the Orange Defense Network has developed over time and remains quite firm. Back in 2008, many of CPCN's founding members came from ODN (these included Cataduanes and The Greatevilfish, neither of whom remain with us today). They were very free with diplomatic advice, most of which was sound, and most of which consisted of "don't be rash". We like to think we've gone past the stage of apprenticeship, but we remain on very good terms with leading personalities in the ODN, and there is no doubt in my mind that if INT were attacked today, among our defenders would be the Orange Defense Network. Likewise if it were the other way around, though they are twice our size and four times our membership, and might disdain our aid. 3. Leftist unity means quite a lot to us. So? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northrend Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 (edited) Your pseudo intellectual babble is irrelevant, please hold. 1. We pander to people? Last I checked (and remember that, for the time being, I'm in charge of this sort of thing), INT was treatied with people with whom it got along, who it respected, and who it believed it could defend and would reciprocate in war. It's one of the reasons we have so few treaties compared to other alliances our size. As for "what's wrong with this community", I can't speak for INT, but the way I see things, the root of the problem is the way members of alliances see themselves. This effects the way alliances are governed, as well as they way alliances behave internationally. I have expressed these views on the forums, and in a condensed version on CN wiki; feel free to check them out. Trying to change the way members of alliances see themselves is almost impossible unless you manage to become a significant and vocal presence in other alliances, which is beyond our capacity. Without changing the way members of alliances see themselves, it is difficult to change the way alliances behave internationally. For INT, "change" in CN begins with constructing a model of how an alliance's members can see themselves, and how such an alliance can be governed, that can be imitated by those who care to try. Only once many alliances have cared to try will we begin to see change in how alliances conduct their foreign affairs. That's good, but what does this have to do with anything I said? As far as I can see I'm talking about the ODN and the fact that most of your members feel they don't honor treaties. 2. Our relationship with the Orange Defense Network has developed over time and remains quite firm. Back in 2008, many of CPCN's founding members came from ODN (these included Cataduanes and The Greatevilfish, neither of whom remain with us today). They were very free with diplomatic advice, most of which was sound, and most of which consisted of "don't be rash". We like to think we've gone past the stage of apprenticeship, but we remain on very good terms with leading personalities in the ODN, and there is no doubt in my mind that if INT were attacked today, among our defenders would be the Orange Defense Network. Likewise if it were the other way around, though they are twice our size and four times our membership, and might disdain our aid. Is that so? Because it just so happens that Martens and I had a discussion not too long ago ( say about a few days ago ) about a war that almost involved the Socialistic Empire ( Not sure if they are still around ). Turns out ODN didn't want to defend you or them, unless they really had to. At least that's what I hear from him, and I trust him implicitly, as he has never lied to me. edit: my grammar is gooder Edited February 18, 2009 by Northrend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovyet Gelibolu Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 (edited) Your pseudo intellectual babble is irrelevant, please hold. Your feeble attempt at mockery by imitation makes you look desperate. Please hold. That's good, but what does this have to do with anything I said? As far as I can see I'm talking about the ODN and the fact that most of your members feel they don't honor treaties. You know perfectly well that "section 1" was in response to your suggestion that we either did not possess principles or had abandoned them long ago. Please don't try to make yourself look ignorant. You succeed only too well. "Section 1" was an attempt to explain what our principles are, and if you don't care, I'd suggest you don't bring them up again. Is that so? Because it just so happens that Martens and I had a discussion not too long ago ( say about a few days ago ) about a war that almost involved the Socialistic Empire ( Not sure if they are still around ). Turns out ODN didn't want to defend you or them, unless they really had to. At least that's what I hear from him, and I trust him implicitly, as he has never lied to me. And the thought never crossed your mind that he might have been working from vastly incomplete and much-garbled information, supplemented by the conjecture of his source(s)? The thought never crossed your mind that people actually involved in the events (which related to the OV-VE/USA war at the end of 2008, so more than "a few days ago") might maybe, possibly, know more than Kaiser Martens? Feel free to diminish your credibility even more, though I'm not entirely sure whether or not that's possible. I was the one talking with ODN at the time (I believe the people I talked to were Joracy, Proximus, and/or Soccerbum, who was in ODN at the time), and I can assure you that what disagreements we had with them were over the strategy by which the war would be fought, not over the principle of whether or not ODN would defend CPCN. ODN was prepared to defend CPCN. Trust me: I know more about ODN's relationship with The International than you know, or will ever know. Also, SE is no longer around; they merged into INT when it was founded. EDIT: supplementary information and formatting. Edited February 18, 2009 by Sovyet Gelibolu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaGneT Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Your feeble attempt at mockery by imitation makes you look desperate. Please hold. NO U! Please hold. I, for one, think that the Vox-NPO conflict is the root of your argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northrend Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 And the thought never crossed your mind that he might have been working from vastly incomplete and much-garbled information, supplemented by the conjecture of his source(s)? The thought never crossed your mind that people actually involved in the events (which related to the OV-VE/USA war at the end of 2008, so more than "a few days ago") might maybe, possibly, know more than Kaiser Martens? Feel free to diminish your credibility even more, though I'm not entirely sure whether or not that's possible. I was the one talking with ODN at the time (I believe the people I talked to were Joracy, Proximus, and/or Soccerbum, who was in ODN at the time), and I can assure you that what disagreements we had with them were over the strategy by which the war would be fought, not over the principle of whether or not ODN would defend CPCN. ODN was prepared to defend CPCN. Trust me: I know more about ODN's relationship with The International than you know, or will ever know. I heard KM got it from somebody who was a member during the time. I think he was a re roll of sovietsindorin ( which makes me laugh so hard ), but according to Martens you guys had a disagreement with ODN because they wanted USA and SE to get rolled before they would have to help you. You wanted to go in and support SE by coordinating your attack against OV and VE. Yes, it was more than a few days ago. But not the conversation I had with martens. This is the first I am hearing about it, but it doesn't surprise me. So really ODN will defend you if they only have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorum Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Slayer99, CN's own Atticus Finch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sovyet Gelibolu Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 (edited) I heard KM got it from somebody who was a member during the time. I think he was a re roll of sovietsindorin ( which makes me laugh so hard ), but according to Martens you guys had a disagreement with ODN because they wanted USA and SE to get rolled before they would have to help you. You wanted to go in and support SE by coordinating your attack against OV and VE. Yes, it was more than a few days ago. But not the conversation I had with martens. This is the first I am hearing about it, but it doesn't surprise me. So really ODN will defend you if they only have to. SovietSindorin? Not putting a negative spin on things? I'm laughing as well I'll repeat what I said earlier: ODN had an issue with how we wanted to conduct the war. In hindsight, their strategy was probably the better one (ours was far too aggressive and wouldn't have made a dent in anybody's NS but our own). In fact, some of us acknowledged this after USA had disdained help (the rest of us didn't care to dwell on the event, and went back to planning the merger). In either case, ODN would have defended us had we come under attack. I'm wasn't really surprised they didn't want to aggress at the same time as us: they had no obligation to do so, and weren't geared for aggressive war in any case. I said they upheld their obligations: I never claimed they were particularly skilled fighters EDIT: verbs have tenses. Use them. Edited February 18, 2009 by Sovyet Gelibolu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northrend Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 SovietSindorin? Not putting a negative spin on things? I'm laughing as well I'll repeat what I said earlier: ODN had an issue with how we wanted to conduct the war. In hindsight, their strategy was probably the better one (ours was far too aggressive and wouldn't have made a dent in anybody's NS but our own). In fact, some of us acknowledged this after USA had disdained help (the rest of us didn't care to dwell on the event, and went back to planning the merger). In either case, ODN would have defended us had we come under attack. I'm not really surprised they didn't want to aggress at the same time as us: they had no obligation to do so, and weren't geared for aggressive war in any case. I said they upheld their obligations: I never claimed they were particularly skilled fighters Well, at least we have that in common. We both know sindorin is an utter moron and can always be counted on to lie to his advantage. Perhaps you might be right in this instance, if the info came from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfox101 Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Vox's still alive?Hmm. I've been gone for 5 months in a forced leave of absence because of my Internet, and to see this...just spoils everything. Yeah, we've all been missing you so much these 5 months that everyone was trying to appease you on your grand return, but sorry, we're party crashers. Sorry we couldn't roll out the red carpet for such an important, entertaining, influential, fine gentleman such as yourself. That was sarcasm by the way. Nobody cares about you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cataduanes Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 (edited) I heard KM got it from somebody who was a member during the time. I think he was a re roll of sovietsindorin ( which makes me laugh so hard ), but according to Martens you guys had a disagreement with ODN because they wanted USA and SE to get rolled before they would have to help you. You wanted to go in and support SE by coordinating your attack against OV and VE. Yes, it was more than a few days ago. But not the conversation I had with martens. This is the first I am hearing about it, but it doesn't surprise me. So really ODN will defend you if they only have to. haha Sindorin was a fool, a tool and an utter liability (you still about somewhere Sindorin ), I think your sorely mistaken if you think ODN and the Commies will not stand together...fact is when the majority of Planet Bob was hoping the CPCN would get rolled it was alliances like ODN that gave them a hand and i can assure you come what may ODN will stand with the The International. Of course you only have my word on this and no doubt i expect VoX Popper's to troll the s##t out of me but hey thats life Edited February 18, 2009 by Cataduanes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qaianna Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 I have to admit that I just skimmed (with a few stops to read, and many times just scrolling down) about fourteen pages of vitriol with little to no respect shown in certain speakers on either side of the conflict, and a general feeling that any comments I make that would be critical of the original post would be buried under 'Buy a WRC n00b' due to three words under my alliance affiliation. On a lighter note ... you said your goal was destruction within ... this was back on page 2 or 3, I forgot if it was 2 or 4 weeks. You're still here. Does that mean that Vox Populi failed in its intent? And what would allow the ever so humble Vox Dei to grace the members of One Vision and/or the Continuum acceptance in your fashionably late treaty? I'm tossing that as a serious question (except the 'ever so humble' bit, for rather obvious reasons). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenzilla Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 And what would allow the ever so humble Vox Dei to grace the members of One Vision and/or the Continuum acceptance in your fashionably late treaty? I'm tossing that as a serious question (except the 'ever so humble' bit, for rather obvious reasons). You need at least one WRC to be considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 You need at least one WRC to be considered. I lol'd hard. No matter how much I hear this, it never gets old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rickyman1984 Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 I lol'd hard. No matter how much I hear this, it never gets old. You're beginning to experience something very similar to the euphoric joy we get from crushing a Vox nation. It's great isn't it?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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