Treaty compendium

[Kochers]

I'd like to get the program, if that's possible...

[ShadowDragon]

You can add SPAM and MEP now since they won't be completely redundant with USN on the web.

Solidity Pact for an Allied Maroon (ODoAP) and Maroon Economic Pact (ODP) - Signatories on the web: RIA, CSN, TTK, GOD, MA, USN

[Kochers]

Some pics for all those MDPWeb followers

P.S. These pics were taken of a web with the same info/treaties as the latest update on Bob's wiki page.

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Edited July 4, 2010 by Kochers

[Banksy]

That second angle is quite funny. There is almost a complete split between two of the webs from that perspective.

[Bob Janova]

Updated.

Kochers, I linked to your second pic in my OP, hope that's ok.

To whoever made significant edits to the Wiki listing: thanks. I've reverted your ToA change because that's how it's written in the treaty-type file and I'd say it's the correct capitalisation ('of' doesn't get caps). The updated NS list contains just the top 80 but if you want to follow my edits by adding the next few each time then that is appreciated. Unless I screwed it up all your additions to the alliance and treaty listings should still be there.

[b]M*A*S*H[/b] fall off the web as they fuel [b]Legion[/b]'s charge up the table, letting [b]RDD[/b] come back onto the web after a long absence. Elsewhere there was little of interest as everyone puts in some peaceful growth and keeps themselves safe by not doing any exciting FA.

[Lusitan]

Bob, CCC joined PnL Train bloc!

[Feanor Noldorin]

I like how we're quite far away from most of that mess.

[Kochers]

[quote name='Bob Janova' date='14 July 2010 - 09:26 AM' timestamp='1279113992' post='2370850']
Updated.

Kochers, I linked to your second pic in my OP, hope that's ok.[/quote]
Of course

[quote name='Bob Janova' date='14 July 2010 - 09:26 AM' timestamp='1279113992' post='2370850']
To whoever made significant edits to the Wiki listing: thanks. I've reverted your ToA change because that's how it's written in the treaty-type file and I'd say it's the correct capitalisation ('of' doesn't get caps). The updated NS list contains just the top 80 but if you want to follow my edits by adding the next few each time then that is appreciated. Unless I screwed it up all your additions to the alliance and treaty listings should still be there.
[/quote]
I think I made the edits your referring to. I changed the capitalization of "ToA" because I saw that one of the errors that was happening was that ToA's weren't being loaded because of that capitalization issue.

[quote name='Bob Janova' date='14 July 2010 - 09:26 AM' timestamp='1279113992' post='2370850']
[b]M*A*S*H[/b] fall off the web as they fuel [b]Legion[/b]'s charge up the table, letting [b]RDD[/b] come back onto the web after a long absence. Elsewhere there was little of interest as everyone puts in some peaceful growth and keeps themselves safe by not doing any exciting FA.
[/quote]
Heh, with RDD back its one less of my alliances I have to maintain

[aboooe]

[quote name='Kochers' date='14 July 2010 - 04:43 PM' timestamp='1279122205' post='2371016']

Heh, with RDD back its one less of my alliances I have to maintain
[/quote]
You're welcome. xD

[Zoomzoomzoom]

I just updated the treaty list with all the recent cancellations. Very little has changed lol.

[Zoomzoomzoom]

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[img]http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/9514/mdpweb2.png[/img]

As we can see nothing much changed

Edited July 21, 2010 by Zoomzoomzoom

[Frozenrpg]

MDoAP between GOONS and iFOK: http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=88351

[Commander Cato]

For The Conservative Underground, currently ranked 67 in the OP

MDoAP between TCU and TKTB: http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=79798
MDoAP between TCU and BTA: http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=86276
MDP between TCU and THL: http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=84840
MDoAP Bloc between TCU and BTA, AOR, THL: http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=87636
ODAP Bloc between TCU and TKTB, BTA, TIP, TIO: http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=86294
PIAT with CPAC: http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=77049

Edited July 21, 2010 by Commander Cato

[Bob Janova]

Yeah but none of those alliances are in the top 80

[mattski133]

73) The Resistance
Colour: Orange
NS: 1.7M; Score: 6.62

League of Extraordinary Oranges: MDoAP bloc with R&R, FOK, Int; total NS 16.5M, tension 137 (80 per M NS)
The Southpaw Revolution Pact: MDoAP with Int; total NS 4.9M, tension 66 (38 per M NS)
Vanguard's FuRy: PIAT with MK; total NS 10.5M, tension -28 (-16 per M NS)
Memory of Light: PIAT with TOOL; total NS 6.8M, tension 52 (30 per M NS)
Optional Defense Pact and Official Playlist of The Resistance and Genesis: ODP with Genesis; total NS 4.1M, tension 11 (6 per M NS)

Updated for record. (OCLF removed).

[Bob Janova]

I've got that one for the next update I think

[Bob Janova]

Updated. Thanks to whoever cleaned up the list of alliances and treaties to get rid of all the disbanded or merged ones outside the top 80.

The spate of cancellations doesn't make as much difference as you'd imagine, with both IRON and Legion firmly on the other side of the web from Supergrievances, which is just a little less tightly bound together.

It's a great update for [b]The United Front[/b] who make big strides up the list, and also for [b]Knights of Ni[/b] who make their first appearance in the top 80, pushing [b]RDD[/b] back off the web. I couldn't find documentation for any treaties for you except the defuncy M*A*S*H one, so if you have any, someone please tell me what they are.

No new picture because I'm still suffering from an acute case of laziness.

[Ikaru]

[img]http://i29.tinypic.com/1zlyfe8.jpg[/img]

That's a pic from mine, which is the most recent one plus I fully updated TOOL according to what our forums say are our current treaties. It includes the Brigade treaty from earlier tonight. It's poor quality, but eh. If you draw a line between NV, STA, and Silence you can sort of see the division between Supercomplaints and the remainder of ex-heg.

Edited July 29, 2010 by OVERLORD Ikaru

[Kubla Khan]

Note that the GATO- NSO treaty has been canceled as well as the GATO-NPO treaty

[Bob Janova]

Updated. It's been a bad update for [b]NSO[/b], unsurprisingly, and also for [b]\m/[/b], with both dropping into the 70s. The main upward momentum comes from [b]Umbrella[/b] and [b]GOONS[/b]. It's a first time welcome onto the web for [b]Legacy[/b], who jump in at 58th, and also for [b]SNAFU[/b] and [b]Hydra[/b]; for all three of you I took your information off your wiki pages, please check it for accuracy. TUF, tR and 1TF make way.

[Bob Janova]

Updated!

This update includes Fark leaving SF and signing MDoAPs with the signatory alliances with which they did not already hold such a treaty, and MK cancelling all their treaties, as reported in threads in WA and confirmed by reputable sources. However, these changes have not been announced so if a representative of those alliances would like to check that the changes are correct (or just post an announcement damn it ) that would be appreciated. Pandora's Box is not included as it hasn't actually been signed, despite the leak and thread in WA.

The big movers in this update are the merger-boosted [b]SLCB[/b] who make a strong re-entrance to the web, and [b]WF[/b] who make it into the top 40 for the first time. Also new to the web are [b]AcTi[/b] and [b]Olympus[/b]; please check that your details are correct. Slipping back are [b]GOONS[/b], and off the web entirely are [b]Hydra[/b], [b]\m/[/b] and [b]USN[/b].

[img]http://www.redcorona.com/cn/mdpweb/web20101004-labelled.png[/img]
The division between the old and new worlds is as sharp as ever, with the tight 'Supergrievances' megabloc on the right of the image and the loose collection of alliances clustering around the old Orders making up various microspheres on the left. Only Brigade, UPN and DT remain with split loyalties on that front. (Valhalla's position is not so central as this viewpoint makes it appear.)

[Altheus]

[quote name='Bob Janova' timestamp='1286200768' post='2474187']
The division between the old and new worlds is as sharp as ever, with the tight 'Supergrievances' megabloc on the right of the image and the loose collection of alliances clustering around the old Orders making up various microspheres on the left. Only Brigade, UPN and DT remain with split loyalties on that front. (Valhalla's position is not so central as this viewpoint makes it appear.)
[/quote]

Thanks for all the work you put into this. However I just want to pick you up on one point that interests me. You seem to be indicating that the line to draw is between 'Supergrievences' & the 'old Orders', presumeably NPO & NpO and that this line is deeply established. i.e. 'as sharp as ever'.

However in previous graphs NpO has been placed on the same side as supergrieviences rather than sharing a side with NPO, also presumeably due to recent war history. Therefore why would an 'old Order' side be described as deeply established?

Following on from that and if you think that it hasn't been, do you think that a) the 'old Orders' side is a new thing or b) the graph doesn't represent the reality? Or possibly a c) that I'm missing.

Also please don't take my post as some kind of political stunt as people seem to have taken a previous one. I'm retired, curious & would genuinely like to hear your thoughts.

[Bob Janova]

NpO is kind of the boss of its own minicluster (I've variously called it 'BLEU 2.0', 'Frostbite' and 'Blue' throughout different phases of its history). Most of the time they've rather straddled the lines between the two sides (for example in the earlier two images on this page). MK cancelling on them has weakened the pull from the SG side of the web, I guess, making them appear further on the 'Remnants' side. It is an interesting point, though, which I'd missed myself.

There isn't a strongly connected 'old Orders side', which actually shows up pretty well from the sparseness of the web over there. For example I doubt TOP and NpO or Legion and Argent would consider themselves to be closely allied. It's more a case of 'all the alliances not in SG and affiliates'.

The web does represent reality – it's a direct application of the model to existing treaties – but its implications don't necessary match what's going to happen, as not every treaty is actually the same weight as the model assumes.

[kriekfreak]

Welcome back my lovely boxes.

[Erwin Schrodinger]

Thank you, arexes. It's good to be back somewhere on the list of alliances that people actually look at every so often.