Together As One Communique

[Lord Hitchcock]

was the only time junka said anything in your great big wall of crap logs. So quit sniffing glue and making up imaginary lines connecting SNX to all this. While yourat it, find a damn hobby or something.

 

i've got hundreds of logs... not of which are made up, in fact, i've got screen shots too if that helps you accept the reality.

 

deny deny deny... that's a great sign!

Edited February 29, 2016 by Lord Hitchcock

[rileyaddaff]

 
i've got hundreds of logs... not of which are made up, in fact, i've got screen shots too if that helps you accept the reality.
 
deny deny deny... that's a great sign!

then you would've used the logs with junka saying crap. I know this isn't your first log dumping..so, have you ever wondered if people just feed you irrelevant crap cause they know your going to leak it?

[Stonewall14]

then you would've used the logs with junka saying crap. I know this isn't your first log dumping..so, have you ever wondered if people just feed you irrelevant crap cause they know your going to leak it?

Haha we did this on daily basis as nobody wanted to even say hello with him around so claude and I made up wild stories daily for snitchboi to spread... :v:

[Stonewall14]

UPDATED TO INCLUDE PARTICIPATING ALLIES - ORGANIZED BY TOTAL WAR DAMAGE

Ruler Name - (Total Wars) - (Total Damage Dealt) - (Total Damage Lost) - (Total War Damage)
1: stonewall14 [TAO] - 3 - 47,243.36 - 27,465.04 - 75,463.03.

 

Stone is the #1 stunna...what...what...what!?!

Even PaultheWall is stomping Sephiroth while fighting webel at same time... :P

Edited February 29, 2016 by Stonewall14

[Lord Hitchcock]

then you would've used the logs with junka saying crap. I know this isn't your first log dumping..so, have you ever wondered if people just feed you irrelevant crap cause they know your going to leak it?

My intended target wasn't junka, it was stonewall.

[Stonewall14]

My intended target wasn't junka, it was stonewall.

You such a tool your log dump did nada but show your a snitchboi and everything you "have' is either bs we made up or stuff that is known fact and common knowledge of all since you were only allowed in our public channel we talk smack and joke around in making up fake plans and propaganda for you to spread like a good little snitchboi... :v:

Edited February 29, 2016 by Stonewall14

[the rebel]

My intended target wasn't junka, it was stonewall.

Morale must be low on the other side of the fence, I feel that every time Stonewall posts an image its to boost his and his allies low self esteem.

As for the one sided stats that are full to the rafters of intentional errors.

(Edit: oh look he edited out all of his tweaked stats in the war list and still manages to have errors when using just his own nation :p )

Someone needs a shoulder to cry on, offer him yours Lord Hitchcock, scratch that I think he needs a hug. Edited February 29, 2016 by the rebel

[the rebel]

You such a tool your log dump did nada but show your a snitchboi and everything you "have' is either bs we made up or stuff that is known fact and common knowledge of all since you were only allowed in our public channel we talk smack and joke around in making up fake plans and propaganda for you to spread like a good little snitchboi... :v:

You're being defensive about it, almost too defensive...

[Lord Hitchcock]

You're being defensive about it, almost too defensive...

It bothers him. Tbh it would bother me too if I sounded like a pixel huggin Rebel fearin coward

[Sephiroth]

 

 

Stone is the #1 stunna...what...what...what!?!

Even PaultheWall is stomping Sephiroth while fighting webel at same time... :P

Land/Tech/Infra: 2,921.93 Strength Lost 3,008.45 Strength Lost

 

He attacked when he was fully stocked on nukes & I had no more than what can be built in a day after a constant chain of wars, yet he's only ahead by 80 NS Strength atm despite his big infra & nuke advantage when attacking. So I wouldn't call it a stomp, but so far he's fought well.

Edited February 29, 2016 by Sephiroth

[Neo Uruk]

It beats treaty topics any day of the week.

Can't argue with that, but it's been practically the same shit for weeks now.

[the rebel]

Can't argue with that, but it's been practically the same !@#$ for weeks now.

Going off the overall vibe of this war you might have to see it for an unknown number of weeks more... As I don't see either side taking a public break. Edited February 29, 2016 by the rebel

[Stonewall14]

Land/Tech/Infra: 2,921.93 Strength Lost 3,008.45 Strength Lost

 

He attacked when he was fully stocked on nukes & I had no more than what can be built in a day after a constant chain of wars, yet he's only ahead by 80 NS Strength atm despite his big infra & nuke advantage when attacking. So I wouldn't call it a stomp, but so far he's fought well.

excuses excuses just like webel crying about being over matched and stomped by superior forces, you poor babies... :ehm: your getting whooped by a noob while crying about how he has advantages over you kind of ironic don't you think? :smug: 

[Sephiroth]

Its only part way through and already he's down to maintaing 2k infra and 200t, from 3k infra and 300t in the beginning. 

 

If I were to get a package of aid or tech deal in my open slot today, I could buy 2 nukes with a high chance of changing that number almost a nuke worth of damage in my favor before the day is over. So claiming victory over small amounts of damage in your favor in just one battle for a short amount of time makes you look petty and desperate.

Edited February 29, 2016 by Sephiroth

[Stonewall14]

Its only part way through and already he's down to maintaing 2k infra and 200t, from 3k infra and 300t in the beginning. 

 

If I were to get a package of aid or tech deal in my open slot today, I could buy 2 nukes with a high chance of changing that number almost a nuke worth of damage in my favor before the day is over. So claiming victory over small amounts of damage in your favor in just one battle for a short amount of time makes you look petty and desperate.

lol he sent out his tech in aid check the aid screens lol your desperate for glory and he did not have 3k infra and 300 tech when he DoW on you fool as he would not be in your range... :v: you are the one looking petty and desperate begging for aid on OWF and lying about his infra and tech to cover up your shortcomings against someone with half your wonders and improvements and 1% your battle experience... :smug: 

[Lord Hitchcock]

lol he sent out his tech in aid check the aid screens lol your desperate for glory and he did not have 3k infra and 300 tech when he DoW on you fool as he would not be in your range... :v: you are the one looking petty and desperate begging for aid on OWF and lying about his infra and tech to cover up your shortcomings against someone with half your wonders and improvements and 1% your battle experience... :smug:

Coming from the guy who was too broke to take da webel up on his offer.

You're probably seeking emotional support as we speak...

[the rebel]

Coming from the guy who was too broke to take da webel up on his offer.

You're probably seeking emotional support as we speak...

It isn't his fault he needed $102 million in war aid since day one of fighting me. Junka has a valid excuse for needing war aid being an intentionally small nation, but Stonewall on the other hand used to be a 70k nation.

[Sephiroth]

lol he sent out his tech in aid check the aid screens lol your desperate for glory and he did not have 3k infra and 300 tech when he DoW on you fool as he would not be in your range... :v: you are the one looking petty and desperate begging for aid on OWF and lying about his infra and tech to cover up your shortcomings against someone with half your wonders and improvements and 1% your battle experience... :smug:

Regardless of your spin, he dropped 7,310 NS strength on day one & its been down hill from there for him while I've remained steady.

[Dochartaigh]

At your size, what damage is actually done? Seriously, you get GA'ed and like 5 tech is taken and like 10 infra is destroyed. Stop acting as if you are some godsend to war when the damage done at your size is pathetically small. You realize that most of the rest of us know how the mechanics of war works on Planet Bob and at your size, damage is negligible which is why for all the shit talking you do about wrecking lower tiers, an aid package or two recovers more than the damage taken during an entire round of war. Get over your damn ego particularly with your wonders you have. Grow some balls and figure out a way to actually grow to a large tier nation and see how well you do at war then. Otherwise for admin's sake, just shut up about how godly you are at war. 

[visayan]

 

 

This is great. stonewall is always looking for people to fight for him.... him and junka have that in common!

 

[12/21/2015 10:35:45 PM] hitchcock: Define raider AAs

[12/21/2015 10:36:04 PM] Stonewall: as war like raiders

[12/21/2015 10:36:05 PM] hitchcock: Methrage is a 'raider aa'

[12/21/2015 10:36:15 PM] Stonewall: sane ones lol

[12/21/2015 10:36:37 PM] hitchcock: Ds dropped TCA

[12/21/2015 10:36:45 PM] hitchcock: I would verify that with isolator

[12/21/2015 10:36:46 PM] Stonewall: idk i'm high what you need? :P

[12/21/2015 10:37:05 PM] hitchcock: What's our relationship with DK atm?

[12/21/2015 10:37:12 PM] Stonewall: I dropped us out of TCA when I lead DS

[12/21/2015 10:37:39 PM] Stonewall: I also as you know told TCA I would not fight for them epriod

[12/21/2015 10:37:57 PM] Stonewall: not very good with DK

[12/21/2015 10:38:12 PM] Stonewall: as shown every day in their actions

[12/21/2015 10:38:18 PM] hitchcock: Thats the vibe I'm getting

[12/21/2015 10:38:35 PM] hitchcock: And we need them on board, I think they could block us from any big treaties

[12/21/2015 10:38:51 PM] Stonewall: is why we are uniting our bloc of Bones sphere so we can stand alone

 

 

Which i guess when you get in hot water with SPTR you run back to Junka to get back in with Doom (again, hilarious)

 

[12/19/2015 4:58:53 PM] Iso: We're gonna need all the main players on the same pitch
[12/19/2015 4:59:35 PM] Stonewall: well you already said they wouldn't ally TAO so they need not have any say in what we do either
[12/19/2015 5:00:27 PM] Iso: You'd have to ask Hershey or WC if you wanted a treaty with DK
[12/19/2015 5:00:49 PM] Iso: But there are some people in DK that don't like TAO
[12/19/2015 5:01:04 PM] Stonewall: well then we roll without them simple as that
[12/19/2015 5:01:31 PM] hitchcock: May I suggest something to you Stonewall
[12/19/2015 5:01:37 PM] Stonewall: sure
[12/19/2015 5:01:56 PM] hitchcock: even if we aren't tied to DK in anyway, it certainly won't help progress if we burn that bridge
[12/19/2015 5:02:10 PM] Stonewall: TAO is playing big boy politics and has no time for past grudges or feeling of spite to hold us back
[12/19/2015 5:02:45 PM] Stonewall: what else can I do L_H they rolled me and I apologized
 

But why wouldn't they ally TAO? sure you are all mighty and competent and no one challenges you... except 'da webel'. Hmmmmm, I wonder if this entire war was pre planned?

 

[12/21/2015 4:40:45 PM | Edited 4:41:02 PM] Stonewall: okay 2nd time SnX refused to help us even though they have personal grudge against our intended target

[12/21/2015 4:41:23 PM] Iso: It makes sense though

[12/21/2015 4:41:24 PM] Stonewall: To: stonewall    From: Immortan Junka    Date: 12/21/2015 3:38:01 PM

 

Subject: RE: Senor de La Guerra

 

Message: Haha probably the smart thing to do, Doom wants us to sit out and keep building low tier nukers for the next big war

[12/21/2015 4:41:28 PM] Iso: If he does fight Methrage

[12/21/2015 4:41:36 PM] Iso: Methrage will sanction a bunch of SNXers

[12/21/2015 4:41:39 PM] Stonewall: no it was not methrage

[12/21/2015 4:41:43 PM] Iso: And it'll cause him a lot of trouble

[12/21/2015 4:41:43 PM] Iso: Oh?

[12/21/2015 4:41:52 PM] Stonewall: that is fear talking

[12/21/2015 4:42:06 PM] Iso: haha

[12/21/2015 4:42:12 PM] Iso: Not everyone in his alliance loves to fight

[12/21/2015 4:42:19 PM] Stonewall: we will not be allied to people who direct their FAs out of fear and excuses

[12/21/2015 4:42:47 PM] Stonewall: fear is contagious and soon you can exscuse and back out of anything

[12/21/2015 4:43:07 PM] Stonewall: I believe we need to trim the treaty web

[12/21/2015 4:43:22 PM] Iso: I thought you guys were going to fight LPCN?

[12/21/2015 4:44:38 PM] Stonewall: lpcn is bogged down with Goons and no need to hit them at this time but we do have like I said an open contract out on Meth and we will fill it if he ever stops fighting Goons or should he get upper hand against them

[12/21/2015 4:45:04 PM] Stonewall: or whenever an opportunity arises to cash it in

[12/21/2015 4:46:35 PM] Stonewall: we do have a couple of nuked guys in his range atm but both are noobs and not very active but are reachable by TeamSpeak....and besides I intend to fill the contract personally as one day I may be in his range after a big war... :D

[12/21/2015 4:47:31 PM] Stonewall: we will however "raid" animalz asap... :P

[12/21/2015 4:48:18 PM] Stonewall: but atm we are in no rush to do anything but once again our allies have refused to help so why are we "allied"?

 

 

And really, I wonder what started it in the first place? Stonewall, did anyone call you a pussy?.... ahhhh, yes, da webel did!

 

hmmmm... your reaction:

 

12/22/2015 2:11:14 PM] Stonewall: even though he approved us hitting him we will do it right

[12/22/2015 2:11:44 PM] Iso: Are you guys going to attack Invicta if they say no?

[12/22/2015 2:12:12 PM] Stonewall: what other choice do we have?

[12/22/2015 2:12:36 PM] Stonewall: eat !@#$ and like it?

 

AND YOU DID EAT !@#$ AND LOVED IT!

 

[12/22/2015 5:37:50 PM] claude: Stone I talked with the leader of invicta and we setup a 1vs 1 fight

[12/22/2015 5:37:59 PM] claude: you vs rebel

[12/22/2015 5:38:38 PM] claude: do you agree brochacho?

[12/22/2015 5:38:45 PM] hitchcock: Take it

[12/22/2015 5:38:45 PM] claude: (flex)

[12/22/2015 5:38:57 PM] claude: Or you are too scur

[12/22/2015 5:39:02 PM] claude: (cwl)

[12/22/2015 5:39:07 PM] claude: (victory)

[12/22/2015 5:39:14 PM] hitchcock: If you don't it will be a pr nightmare

[12/22/2015 5:41:50 PM] claude: Yeah it would makes us look bad

[12/22/2015 5:42:04 PM] claude: tao Wil be perceived as a pussy alliance

[12/22/2015 5:42:13 PM] claude: :$

[12/22/2015 5:57:30 PM] Stonewall: ok

[12/22/2015 5:58:03 PM] claude: So you agree ?

[12/22/2015 5:58:19 PM] claude: one round brochacho?

[12/22/2015 5:58:28 PM] Stonewall: I agree I will attack him yes

[12/22/2015 5:58:55 PM] claude: just you or would you request help ?

[12/22/2015 5:59:26 PM] Stonewall: me brochacho I already said I would

[12/22/2015 5:59:36 PM] claude: Bones wills it you will destroy the infidel

[12/22/2015 5:59:49 PM] Stonewall: no Bones does not will it

[12/22/2015 5:59:57 PM] claude: show him not mess with us

[12/22/2015 6:00:27 PM] Stonewall: I will he needs to be severely beaten

[12/22/2015 6:00:40 PM] claude: Yeah

[12/22/2015 6:01:10 PM] Stonewall: King William has not opened my PM so who exactly did you speak to?

[12/22/2015 6:01:18 PM] Stonewall: show me

[12/22/2015 6:02:59 PM | Edited 6:03:20 PM] Stonewall: in addition they do not dictate terms or rules as it was not their leader and alliance flamed for several days straight

[12/22/2015 6:03:50 PM] Stonewall: we do not cater to everyone who wants to challenge us and let them make the rules

[12/22/2015 6:04:10 PM] Stonewall: if that is the case then we can challenge whoever we want when we want

[12/22/2015 6:05:28 PM] claude: I'm just trying to find a solution to this mess with rebel

[12/22/2015 6:05:53 PM] claude: I haven't been able to contact any of their gov yet

[12/22/2015 6:06:01 PM] Stonewall: well he does not dictate to us terms of engagement he did this not me or us

[12/22/2015 6:06:05 PM] Stonewall: so you lied

[12/22/2015 6:06:24 PM] claude: but rumors is what the rebel wants

[12/22/2015 6:06:33 PM] claude: he wants a fight with you

[12/22/2015 6:06:41 PM] claude: not with the whole alliance

[12/22/2015 6:06:44 PM] Stonewall: [Tuesday, December 22, 2015 5:37 PM] claude: 

 

<<< Stone I talked with the leader of invicta and we setup a 1vs 1 fight

you vs rebel

do you agree brochacho?

[12/22/2015 6:06:53 PM] claude: I was joking

[12/22/2015 6:06:53 PM] Stonewall: rebel does not pull our strings

[12/22/2015 6:07:10 PM] Stonewall: you lied

[12/22/2015 6:07:11 PM] claude: their gov seems very inactive

[12/22/2015 6:07:14 PM] Stonewall: not a joke

 

 

Now of course, this REALLY bothered you... being called AND acting like a huge mangina.... so... the hazing continued... and your paranoia deepend

 

[12/22/2015 6:09:35 PM] Stonewall: I am not for your amusement

[12/22/2015 6:09:40 PM] claude: all I'm saying is the rebel keeps calling you out

[12/22/2015 6:09:55 PM] claude: And I agree we need to build bup

[12/22/2015 6:09:56 PM] claude: Up

[12/22/2015 6:10:09 PM] claude: Get ready for the big war

[12/22/2015 6:10:25 PM] Stonewall: but your missing my point you claude and ben are egging the fight on and plotting to get me to fight him

[12/22/2015 6:10:48 PM] claude: We aren't plotting anything

[12/22/2015 6:11:03 PM] claude: is just rebel needs to stfu

[12/22/2015 6:11:07 PM] Stonewall: you came here and lied like your in league with rebel to get me to attack him

[12/22/2015 6:11:14 PM] claude: He is lucky I'm not in range

[12/22/2015 6:11:16 PM] Stonewall: [Tuesday, December 22, 2015 5:37 PM] claude: 

 

<<< Stone I talked with the leader of invicta and we setup a 1vs 1 fight

you vs rebel

do you agree brochacho?

[12/22/2015 6:11:41 PM] Stonewall: I almost did it lol

[12/22/2015 6:11:50 PM] claude: I haven't talked with the leader

[12/22/2015 6:12:00 PM] Stonewall: but I checked to see if he opened my PM

[12/22/2015 6:12:17 PM] claude: I'm on their irc channel

[12/22/2015 6:12:32 PM] Stonewall: [Tuesday, December 22, 2015 5:39 PM] hitchcock: 

 

<<< If you don't it will be a pr nightmare

[12/22/2015 6:12:42 PM] Stonewall: tao Wil be perceived as a pussy alliance

[12/22/2015 6:13:00 PM] Stonewall: ^^\

[12/22/2015 6:13:07 PM] claude: we never backdown

[12/22/2015 6:13:20 PM] hitchcock: Your right stonewall. Let it be openly known that people can call tao pussies

[12/22/2015 6:13:22 PM] claude: When hal called out Lord bones he got hit

[12/22/2015 6:13:28 PM] claude: Isn't right?

[12/22/2015 6:13:39 PM] Stonewall: see your both still doing it

[12/22/2015 6:13:49 PM] claude: Lol forget it

[12/22/2015 6:14:03 PM] Stonewall: if you think we are pussies L_H we can end our treaty right now

[12/22/2015 6:14:04 PM] claude: rebel isn't worth

[12/22/2015 6:14:17 PM] Stonewall: you wouldn't want to be protected by pussies amirite?

[12/22/2015 6:14:33 PM] claude: plus hitting invixta will be bad for our sphere

[12/22/2015 6:14:35 PM] Stonewall: matter of fact I think that's best

[12/22/2015 6:14:39 PM] claude: You are right stone

[12/22/2015 6:14:42 PM] claude: My bad

 

And then Stonewall goes full retard:

 

[12/22/2015 6:18:51 PM] ben.hitchcock: Then best advise, don't respond to Rebel anymore

[12/22/2015 6:19:02 PM] claude perrin: Yeah don't feed the troll

[12/22/2015 6:19:08 PM] ben.hitchcock: As he's slowly gaining attention to the thread

[12/22/2015 6:19:47 PM] claude perrin: I saw also sir kindle starting to post

[12/22/2015 6:20:02 PM] claude perrin: Meth s !@#$%*

[12/22/2015 6:20:44 PM] Stonewall14: we already made our govt inquiries and stated our position but you too are pretty much egging it on and saying point blank I am a pussy if I don't fight him so if that's the case maybe Rebel or Invicta would be better suited to protect Minc

[12/22/2015 6:21:10 PM] Stonewall14: I am dead serious and not joking in the least

[12/22/2015 6:21:36 PM] Stonewall14: you have nada to fear TAO are pussies right?

[12/22/2015 6:21:43 PM] ben.hitchcock: Giving you advice about the situation and then turning it into a 'drop m inc' thing isn't cool

[12/22/2015 6:22:06 PM] claude perrin: Yeah chilloit brochachos

 

and the back pat

 

[12/22/2015 6:59:17 PM] Isolatar: Anyway Stonewall, you've got to learn to ignore the smaller things

[12/22/2015 6:59:25 PM] Isolatar: Like ignore people who are taunting you

 

and stonewall getting paranoid

 

[12/22/2015 10:21:38 PM] hitchcock: Stonewall, did you get spied?

[12/22/2015 10:23:12 PM] Stonewall: why would you know this?

[12/22/2015 10:24:00 PM] Stonewall: answer me there Ben how would you know I got spied?

[12/22/2015 10:25:15 PM] hitchcock: Staccs said something on the owf. And it's on the 'exposed spy ops across the globe'

[12/22/2015 10:26:10 PM] Stonewall: yeah I see a concerted effort on the parts of you, franz and rebel and staccs

[12/22/2015 10:26:27 PM] hitchcock: ?

[12/22/2015 10:26:48 PM] Stonewall: your egging it on a getting reactions for them

[12/22/2015 10:27:07 PM] *** Stonewall removed hitchcock from this conversation. ***

[12/23/2015 1:07:00 PM] *** Iso added hitchcock ***

 

 

TL:DR

 

The Animalz war was pre-planned. Stonewall is a wimp. And they used white chocolate as their PR train.

 

Anyway, back to the battlefield we go.

 

hahaha...nice one again LH. 

LH>stonewall

[The Zigur]

At your size, what damage is actually done? Seriously, you get GA'ed and like 5 tech is taken and like 10 infra is destroyed. Stop acting as if you are some godsend to war when the damage done at your size is pathetically small. You realize that most of the rest of us know how the mechanics of war works on Planet Bob and at your size, damage is negligible which is why for all the !@#$ talking you do about wrecking lower tiers, an aid package or two recovers more than the damage taken during an entire round of war. Get over your damn ego particularly with your wonders you have. Grow some balls and figure out a way to actually grow to a large tier nation and see how well you do at war then. Otherwise for admin's sake, just shut up about how godly you are at war.

Imagine combining the playground bully with messianic delusion.

[the rebel]

Imagine combining the playground bully with messianic delusion.

I'm confused... You talking about Meth or yourself?

[Lord Hitchcock]

Imagine combining the playground bully with messianic delusion.

Keep it up and your Swirly's will get worse

[Sir Kindle]

RUKUNU will never accept anything but a full surrender from these clowns in SNX. The first time we gave them white peace they jumped on the owf forums, and declared victory. Not sure if you read the threads but it was annoying enough to really piss off RUKUNU, and the Family into declaring a Goons style eternal war. I'm not sure if your familiar with our history, but we fought a two year long crusade against 2.0, and have moved SNX into their place since 2.0 disbanded. In short SNX, and anyone involved with helping them will not know peace until SNX surrenders, or disbands.

Being that this war is much easier than fighting with 2.0 I don't imagine it will go as long, but due to Junka and Co.'s arrogance I don't see it ending soon either.

The truth has always been that if you want to disrupt an alliance, and rot them out from the core, one must destroy, desecrate, and shatter their lower tiers, and farmers. We are experts at this.

SNX's allies are only throwing money down the toilet with AID bombs. The waste that has already occurred is amazing. Tech deals have been disrupted. Morale has plummeted due to the realization of being involved in a super expensive, unwinnable war. Our coalition on the other hand has spent very little, and economically little has changed.

SNX should be ashamed of using their allies like chumps as well. They have upper tiers. They have money to send to their farmers. Yet they prefer to fight on DK, and TAO's dime which for the most part have been ending up in our pockets. I mean come on I'm still making tech deals on time fighting four of these losers at once constantly. Since Feb 4th I been fighting four enemy nations constantly, and economically haven't skipped a beat. To steal a line from Brother Montezuma "# Easiest War Ever".

I just hope this goes on. We do need a replacement for 2.0, and SNX is a great one. They are a complete cash cow, and also provide us with casualties, XP, and opportunities to grow our war counts. Just one big Christmas present, everything we could of asked for packaged, and served on a silver platter.

[Margrave]

You and all your friends had nothing to do with GOONS disbanding.

Shouldn't you be on a forum vacation anyway? You're the best argument for the utter destruction of your alliance and your Party that your opponents were ever given. People know exactly what you and your friends are and what they do and enable, and they aren't likely to forget it.