Did any EC Bloc Members read what they signed?

[Beauty]

The FHIC thing was hilarious.. Now Markus doesn't even know what he signed.

 

I read this article firmly and commented before i signed it.

 

Which of the rest of my bloc mates read this treaty before they signed it?

 

[spoiler]

 

[19:00] <Rotavele> Well technically im your ally too

[19:01] <Markus_Wilding> technically we share an economic treaty, that doesn't make us allies

[19:01] <Markus_Wilding> by that logic, i'm allied with the USA

[19:01] <Rotavele> And an optional defense treaty

[19:01] <Rotavele> Please dont tell me you didnt read the EC either

[19:01] <Rotavele> good god

[19:01] <Markus_Wilding> the ODP only applies to security members, which you are not unless i missed that vote

[19:01] <Rotavele> LOL

[19:01] <Rotavele> Im posting these logs asap

[19:01] <Markus_Wilding> go for it

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Fact Check: The EC has never changed. All EC members share an ODP clause, security members are bound by a MDP.

 

[spoiler]

 

[23:44] <+Rotavele> FHIC I have a question for you, but I know you're going to take it offensively or trolling when it's not meant that way and it's out of curiosity. Should I ask you it in query?

[23:44] <%FHIC> Ask away

[23:48] <+Rotavele> FHIC what would you do if Sverige and the batlics got into another war

[23:48] <+Rotavele> Which side would you take

[23:49] <%FHIC> I'm directly allied with Sverige

[23:49] <+Rotavele> FHIC but I mean your MDPed to the Baltics too

[23:49] <+Rotavele> Would you choose Sverige and withdraw from EC

[23:50] <%FHIC> I do not have a MDP with the Baltics

[23:50] <@Uberstein> It's kind of a moot point lol, I'm not going to start any war, and I don't see why Lyser would

[23:50] <%FHIC> I have a NAP

[23:50] <@Uberstein> FHIC, yes you do, as a security member of EuroCom

[23:50] <@Markus_Wilding> well technicaly FHIC

[23:50] <%FHIC> Oh really

[23:50] <@Uberstein> You asked to be a security member

[23:50] <+Rotavele> An EC Security Member is a MDP for the bloc

[23:50] <@Uberstein> So we voted you in

[23:50] <@Markus_Wilding> as a security member you have an MDP with myself, Ty, Uber, JED and Zoot

[23:50] <@Markus_Wilding> and lkfht

[23:50] <+Ovidsidios[FEAR]>  :o

[23:50] <+Ovidsidios[FEAR]> you an MDP hoe

[23:50] <+Ovidsidios[FEAR]> *ho

[23:50] <@Uberstein> It was written pretty plainly in the OP

[23:51] <+Ovidsidios[FEAR]> dat fine line reading

[23:51] <+Rotavele> Thats why I asked if you'd leave EC to side with Sverige and what would Italy do?

[23:51] <%FHIC> Well at that point basically I pop right out and support my own Bloc

[23:51] <@Uberstein> Even if Sweden is the aggressor?

[23:51] <%FHIC> Obviously not

[23:51] <@Markus_Wilding> you !@#$%* >:|

[23:51] <%FHIC> But I'm not going to shoot Sverige

[23:51] <@Markus_Wilding> see, this is why i abstained

[23:52] <%FHIC> If Sverige agresses, we stand on the sideline no matter who calls

[23:52] <+Ovidsidios[FEAR]> lol, abstentions are useless votes

[23:52] <@Uberstein> Well, if you're not willing to maintain an MDP, why did you ask for security membership...

[23:52] <@Markus_Wilding> faq u

[23:52] * Ty (Mibbit) has joined #cnrp2

[23:52] <+Rotavele> Ty

[23:52] <%Biohazard> yall suck

[23:52] <+Rotavele> We're discussing EC

[23:52] <%FHIC> Because it keeps y'all from coming at me

[23:52] * +Ovidsidios[FEAR] clears his throat

[23:52] <@Markus_Wilding> why don't you come to Vienna and say that, Ovidsidios[FEAR] 

[23:52] <@Uberstein> General Membership does that as well lol

[23:52] <@Uberstein> what with the NAP

[23:53] <%FHIC> Yes, but now if those bloody Americans come over here asking about Imperialism, I've got pretty much all of Europe at my back

[23:53] <+Ovidsidios[FEAR]> asking, FHIC?

[23:53] <@Uberstein> kind of a !@#$ move to accept the benefits of a MDP but refuse to honor it yourself lol

[23:53] <+Ovidsidios[FEAR]> I won't be asking  :P

[23:53] <%FHIC> So long as no one gets stupid, I'll be fine

[23:53] <@Markus_Wilding> A new challenger appears in California!

[23:53] * Ty (Mibbit) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)

[23:54] * +Ovidsidios[FEAR] starts the battle theme

[23:54] <@Uberstein> Well, I certainly won't be attacking Sweden

[23:54] <%FHIC> Hey, Sverige and I are tight

[23:54] * Ty (Mibbit) has joined #cnrp2

[23:54] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Ty

[23:54] <+Ty> What about the EC Rotavele?

[23:54] <@Uberstein> He can hold any grudge he wants, I will be starting no aggressive wars

[23:54] <+Ty> Isn't it great FHIC? Let's have Europe colonize the world

[23:54] <+Rotavele> Heh Ty

[23:54] <+Tywin_Lannister> I shouldnt have deployed marines to cali

[23:55] <+Tywin_Lannister> I have no fukn idea how marine CoC works

[23:55] <+Rotavele> Ty you missed a lot of good conversation

[23:55] <%FHIC> Soooo yeah

[23:55] <+Ty> Is that sarcasm Rota?

[23:55] <+Ty> My curiosity is poqued

[23:55] <%FHIC> Basically I'm in this to keep people from asking me about all those things I'm doing in other places than Europe

[23:55] <+Ty> piqued

[23:56] <+Ty> FHIC you do know youre MDPed yes?

[23:56] <+Rotavele> She does now

[23:56] <%FHIC> Yup!

[23:56] <%FHIC> ^.^

[23:57] <%FHIC> I don't intend to follow up on it if Sverige is involved!  :D

[23:57] <+Ty> That's makes me feel comfortable

[23:57] <+Tywin_Lannister> lord hershy you got to be fukn kidding me

[23:57] <+Rotavele> I'd support my hardcore allies before my bloc too tbh

[23:57] <@Markus_Wilding> he makes good chocolate

[23:57] <+Rotavele> Especialyl if that bloc is a MDP

[23:57] <+Rotavele> and my treaty is a lot higher

[23:57] <+Rotavele> So therefore I gained a lot of respect for FHIC for staying true to her values and allies.

[23:58] <@Uberstein> Wtf is higher than a MDP lol

[23:58] <@Markus_Wilding> MDoAP, MDAP

[23:58] <%FHIC> Optional Aggression

[23:58] <+Rotavele> MADP

[23:58] <+Ty> I respect people for honoring their agreements

[23:58] <+Rotavele> MDoAP (CDT is a MDoAP)

[23:58] <%FHIC> I'm gambling my honor for additional security

[23:59] <@Markus_Wilding> YOU DISHONOR YOUR FAMIRY

[23:59] <+Ty> #thingsyousayinIRCbutnotIC

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Fact Check: The EC is actually not a NAP.

 

The logs are long but absolutely hilarious.

 

Anyone who has read the treaty before they signed it, please comment so I can find out who actually plans to uphold it.

 

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EDIT: 

 

C. Economic Pact

 

Members of the Community shall undertake appropriate steps, actions, and policies to encourage and facilitate increased trade with each other. Such steps, actions, and policies include, but are not limited to, the reduction or elimination, whenever applicable, of tariffs and other protective barriers, with exceptions for certain industries as determined by the signatories.

 

 

 

 

Imperial Announcment

 

Following the example of our brothers in Axum and defending the interests of our allies in Alvonia, the Empire will likewise be stopping and siezing all Hungarian shipping that finds itself east of Crete. Furthermore, all Hungarian ships will be stopped and seized in the Indian ocean as part of a joint effort by the Imperial and Royal Navies of Babylon and Axum.

 

Edited June 17, 2014 by Rotavele

[Shave N Haircut]

*Waves and winks at Rota*

[Markus Wilding]

Wheeeeeeee

 

[spoiler][19:10:10] <JED> its a nap, odp, and mdp in one

[19:10:15] <Rotavele> JED!

[19:10:19] <Rotavele> You read the treaty!

[19:10:20] <Rudolph> Just with differing levels, really

[19:10:27] * Rotavele brings out an award

[19:10:28] <FHIC> Yup!

[19:10:30] <Rudolph> FHIC: Be like Yugoslavia, be free of blocs

[19:10:30] <FHIC> ^.^

[19:10:34] <Rotavele> SOMEONE WHO SIGNED THE EC READ THE TREATY!

[19:10:36] <Rudolph> BE INDEPENDENT

[19:10:36] <FHIC> Pfft, nah

[19:10:38] <Markus_Wilding> i realized i made a mistake, lol

[19:10:39] <Rudolph> BE STRONK

[19:10:39] * Rotavele throws confetti all over JED

[19:10:50] <Markus_Wilding> this is what happens when i don't get much sleep and spend all day playing brink

[19:10:55] <Rudolph> Haha

[19:11:07] <Rotavele> Markus_Wilding you even argued with FHIC about this in those logs

[19:11:21] <Markus_Wilding> and I realize now I was in error when I said that

[19:11:23] <Maelstrom_Vortex[NPO]> Not long into cnrp 2 and we're already getting major treaty breaches, lolz.

[19:11:28] <Rudolph> Lack of sleep does things

[19:11:28] <Markus_Wilding> after i went back and reread the treaty

[19:11:29] <FHIC> See, I made a very small mistake

[19:11:31] <Rudolph> I should know

[19:11:37] <FHIC> That's hardly "Haven't read the treaty" territory

[19:11:40] <Rudolph> I once went a week without sleep

[19:11:48] <Rudolph> Hyped up in Cola

[19:11:51] *** ImperatorAzenquor has quit)

[19:12:00] <FHIC> And I'll come over there and stomp you regardless of it if you make one more move towards Hawaiian territories ;)

[19:12:03] <Rudolph> Lesson learned: Don't go a week without sleep hyped up in Cola kiddies

[19:12:11] <Markus_Wilding> consuming copious amounts of sweet tea might not have been the best choice either

[19:12:13] <Rotavele> [19:11] <@Markus_Wilding> after i went back and reread the treaty <--- Read*

[19:12:19] <JED> i guess if a EC member went to war with a non member, the non member's ally who is in the EC would be forced to be neutral due to conflicting commitments

[19:12:32] *** FHIC sets mode -v Rotavele

[19:12:33] <Rudolph> Only treaty I have is with Bio[/spoiler]

 

And with that, I feel I've explained myself enough.

Edited June 17, 2014 by Markus Wilding

[Euphaia]

I'll uphold them as long as all the other signatories do as well.

[Beauty]

[00:21] <+Zoot> Rotavele:  WE WROTE THE DAMN THING

[00:21] <+Mogar> as japan did in the league of nations

[00:21] <+Rotavele> FHIC thought she signed a NAP Hershey.

[00:21] <+Zoot> IM JUST IGNORING IT

[00:21] <+Zoot> fucking christ

[00:21] <%FHIC> That's not true, still

[00:21] <+Zoot> its not about not reading it

[00:21] <+Zoot> i read it

[00:21] <+Zoot> i helped write it

[00:21] <+Zoot> im ignoring it

[00:21] <+Rotavele> You just didnt care to follow your own rules

[00:21] <+Zoot> big difference

[00:21] <+Zoot> not really no

[00:21] <+Zoot> what are you gonna fucking do about it?

[00:21] <@Markus_Wilding> alright, enough of this dickbaggery

[00:21] <+Margrave[Here]> it's called breaking a treaty

[00:21] <+Zoot> go and deal with it ICly like everyone else is doing

[00:21] <@Markus_Wilding> take this to the forums

[00:21] <@Markus_Wilding> or devoices start

[00:21] <+Rotavele> No one is doing anything about it ICly

[00:22] <+Rotavele> Ok Markus_Wilding its on the forums

[00:22] <+Zoot> margrave, ive put forward the motion to remove rota from the EC anyway

[00:22] <+Zoot> so it doesnt matter

[00:22] <%FHIC> Cause no one cares

[00:22] <+Margrave[Here]> oh, I don't care either

[00:22] <+Rotavele> The reason no one cares? OOC.

[00:22] <@Markus_Wilding> then there's no more reason to debate it on here

[00:22] <+Margrave[Here]> I'm just explainin to Rota

 

 

 

Clearly it is IC reasons why these nations don't care about the treaty with Rot- Uh.. Ukraine.

[Zoot Zoot]

I will run a list of why this is IC.

 

You tried to run a blockade to Hawaii, an island that has undergone a massive biological terrorist attack leaving its entire population dead. (I dont recognise Rapture).

 

The Hungarian's boycott of Tikal led to the Kingdom of Axum boycotting them. As the Ukranians are allies of the Hungarians and just got their ship blasted out of the water for attempting to interfere with an investigation in to the world's most serious terror event to date, the blockade makes sense to prevent further interference.

 

Its got nothing to do with OOC, its got nothing to do with us not reading the charter of the EC.

 

Its to do with Ukraine doing stuff ICly, it has no buisiness doing in the wrong place and the wrong time. The fact that ICly, I am pushing to have Ukraine removed from the EC is so Im not breaking the charter any longer than I need to be.

 

Not everything is personal, so please stop playing the victim and just RP it out.

[Beauty]

I will run a list of why this is IC.

 

You tried to run a blockade to Hawaii, an island that has undergone a massive biological terrorist attack leaving its entire population dead. (I dont recognise Rapture).

 

The Hungarian's boycott of Tikal led to the Kingdom of Axum boycotting them. As the Ukranians are allies of the Hungarians and just got their ship blasted out of the water for attempting to interfere with an investigation in to the world's most serious terror event to date, the blockade makes sense to prevent further interference.

 

Its got nothing to do with OOC, its got nothing to do with us not reading the charter of the EC.

 

Its to do with Ukraine doing stuff ICly, it has no buisiness doing in the wrong place and the wrong time. The fact that ICly, I am pushing to have Ukraine removed from the EC is so Im not breaking the charter any longer than I need to be.

 

Not everything is personal, so please stop playing the victim and just RP it out.

 

1) I need a link to this "blockade" apparently I was running.

2) Invading someone's ally who boycotted a nation that isn't allied to Axum, and axum did the boycott back for OOC reasons. Do go on, you're making a lot of sense.

3) Right....

4) It would have been logical to do that first before attacking a treaty partner.

5) It's not personal but you continue and have made personal attacks against me for years, most notably about my homosexuality as well as speaking out about how you hope for me to be beaten when I was facing a prison sentence. 

 

You literally have no IC reason to hit your treaty partner.

[Zoot Zoot]

 

1) I need a link to this "blockade" apparently I was running.

2) Invading someone's ally who boycotted a nation that isn't allied to Axum, and axum did the boycott back for OOC reasons. Do go on, you're making a lot of sense.

3) Right....

4) It would have been logical to do that first before attacking a treaty partner.

5) It's not personal but you continue and have made personal attacks against me for years, most notably about my homosexuality as well as speaking out about how you hope for me to be beaten when I was facing a prison sentence. 

 

You literally have no IC reason to hit your treaty partner.

 

Im ignoring that top part because you are just trying to find more excuses. Those are my reasons, take it or leave it.

 

As for your homosexuality, I only recently found out you bat for the other team and i couldn't care less what floats your boat if im honest. As for being beaten in prison, i did apologise for that and admit i was angry and out of order.

[Beauty]

 

Im ignoring that top part because you are just trying to find more excuses. Those are my reasons, take it or leave it.

 

As for your homosexuality, I only recently found out you bat for the other team and i couldn't care less what floats your boat if im honest. As for being beaten in prison, i did apologise for that and admit i was angry and out of order.

 

You've made numerous public remarks, targeting me as well with Homophobic slurs. It was just last night you were talking about me being a "Fudge Packer". Also when you can show me where a blockade was made, don't say that OOCly. It's a lie.

[Zoot Zoot]

Not enteraining this anymore.

 

I'm not a homophobe at all.

[Beauty]

Not enteraining this anymore.

 

I'm not a homophobe at all.

 

Continuing our IRC discussion since it was ruled to take it to the forums

 

as you said:

 

[00:58] <+Zoot> i dont use the word Oh no I didn't!

[00:58] <+tidybowlman> Zoot, stop being a !@#$%^ you filthy !@#$@#$ homophobe.

[00:58] <+Zoot> i work with 2 gay blokes, i drink with 3 gay blokes, i lived with two lesbians and both my cousins are gay

[00:58] <+Zoot> i dont give a $%&@ if you take it up the arse for fun

[00:58] <+Zoot> i really dont

 

[01:03] <+Zoot> im !@#$@#$ english, this is how we !@#$@#$ are. not little Oh no I didn't! like Horo.

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[20:16] <+Zoot> marines are Oh no I didn't!

 

"Oh no I didn't!" is the forum's filter for a homophobic slur that Zoot "Doesn't use"

 

Do you mean anything you say or sign for that matter?

Edited June 17, 2014 by Rotavele

[Zoot Zoot]

My powers of prediction are flawless. Here we see a Rotavele in its wild habitat. Taking random sentences and words, and putting them together to create a paragraph completely out of context with the rest of the conversation.

 

The wild Rotavele specialised in picking and chosing words and sentences that serve its purposes.

 

Like I said rota, I dont care, I know im not a homophobe.

[JEDCJT]

How did this thread careen from an discussion about the EC to an argument about homophobia? Both of you, calm down. Rota, there was no need to bring up Zoot's personal views of your homosexuality in the first place, which has no place in this thread. Zoot apologized for his remarks, there's no need to keep dragging it out.

Edited June 17, 2014 by JEDCJT

[Captain Enema]

How did this thread careen from an discussion about the EC to an argument about homophobia? Both of you, calm down. Rota, there was no need to bring up Zoot's personal views of your homosexuality in the first place, which has no place in this thread. Zoot apologized for his remarks, there's no need to keep dragging it out.

 

Actually, rotavele is well aware that if he muddies the waters enough oocly he may have a half a chance of claiming ooc/ic crossing. 

 

Which is why zoot is going to calm down and not fall for such a cheap transparent ploy.

[Beauty]

How did this thread careen from an discussion about the EC to an argument about homophobia? Both of you, calm down. Rota, there was no need to bring up Zoot's personal views of your homosexuality in the first place, which has no place in this thread. Zoot apologized for his remarks, there's no need to keep dragging it out.

Zoot has never apologized about his homophobic slurs to me or about me. He apologized half heartedly for saying he wished I would be "brutally and bloodily beaten repeatedly" while I was on edge about my court sentencing. Also it does have to do with this. Zoot is violating this treaty with his attacks.

The guy still can't find a IC reason other than, "You went through a blockade we have no ties/connections to, and we resolved our issues with your ally so were invading you". No one can be this incredibly unintelligent as to say this is ICly justifiable for hitting a treaty partner, and not question OOC antics as this person has repeatedly spoken his hate of homosexuality and of myself for being that way. The only time he apologizes is when something's coming up that he needs me for and it's getting old.

They've also made several statements in IRC about how I'm "crying" and even titled the thread "Crimea River" ffs. Edited June 17, 2014 by Rotavele

[Zoot Zoot]

Just a note, Crimea River was more of a pun over the Crimean territory.

[Beauty]

Just a note, Crimea River was more of a pun over the Crimean territory.

I never would of guessed.

[Maelstrom Vortex]

Personally, I'm not impressed by either of their behaviors. They both can do better, I have faith in them.

[The Zigur]

Everyone knows zoot is making giant land grabs, but the IC reasons were so sloppily executed. I dont know if it's laziness or a general lack of creativity, but slow down on the land grabs for a second and smell the roses.

Edited June 17, 2014 by Tywin Lannister

[Evangeline Anovilis]

Personally, I'm not impressed by either of their behaviors. They both can do better, I have faith in them.

After the few weeks this RP has run and the years of CNRP before, there's little reason to have faith in a good lot of people.

[Hereno]

Zoot has never apologized about his homophobic slurs to me or about me. He apologized half heartedly for saying he wished I would be "brutally and bloodily beaten repeatedly" while I was on edge about my court sentencing. Also it does have to do with this. Zoot is violating this treaty with his attacks.

The guy still can't find a IC reason other than, "You went through a blockade we have no ties/connections to, and we resolved our issues with your ally so were invading you". No one can be this incredibly unintelligent as to say this is ICly justifiable for hitting a treaty partner, and not question OOC antics as this person has repeatedly spoken his hate of homosexuality and of myself for being that way. The only time he apologizes is when something's coming up that he needs me for and it's getting old.

They've also made several statements in IRC about how I'm "crying" and even titled the thread "Crimea River" ffs.

A couple days ago you told me you hoped my children were diagnosed with autism. I have no doubts that Zoot said what you said he did, and the only reason he's still around after having been so abusive to so many people is because he has friends here who don't mind associating themselves with such a person. So what you're pointing out here is, unfortunately, nothing new, and it isn't going to go anywhere. The thing is, I agree with TBM that you probably don't actually care and are being a lawyer in this thread to try to get the situation overturned as OOC/IC line crossing. And to an extent you're right, but then there are very few people who are actually able to keep the lines separate. Even among the veteran players, some of whom are up to vote to be the next GMs.

You're going to always have to accept a certain level of muddying the waters, and generally when people can so easily blockade your nation for little reason it's because you've done little to try to make allies in the IC RP. And these things don't generally attract decent people who actually care about the stories made - they attract people with personality disorders who get off on being able to title themselves God Emperor. And people who think you're annoying and don't want to RP with you because you make threads like this in bad faith, so they'll blockade your nation because "$%&@ it, why not? He doesn't have any allies anyway." As you've said in all the other situations, go do something about it ICly. Edited June 17, 2014 by Hereno

[Beauty]

A couple days ago you told me you hoped my children were diagnosed with autism. I have no doubts that Zoot said what you said he did, and the only reason he's still around after having been so abusive to so many people is because he has friends here who don't mind associating themselves with such a person. So what you're pointing out here is, unfortunately, nothing new, and it isn't going to go anywhere. The thing is, I agree with TBM that you probably don't actually care and are being a lawyer in this thread to try to get the situation overturned as OOC/IC line crossing. And to an extent you're right, but then there are very few people who are actually able to keep the lines separate. Even among the veteran players, some of whom are up to vote to be the next GMs.

You're going to always have to accept a certain level of muddying the waters, and generally when people can so easily blockade your nation for little reason it's because you've done little to try to make allies in the IC RP. And these things don't generally attract decent people who actually care about the stories made - they attract people with personality disorders who get off on being able to title themselves God Emperor. And people who think you're annoying and don't want to RP with you because you make threads like this in bad faith, so they'll blockade your nation because "$%&@ it, why not? He doesn't have any allies anyway." As you've said in all the other situations, go do something about it ICly.

 

Because of the $%&@ed up things you were saying about people with Autism. Tell the whole story. Your own ignorance is what lead to that comment. Also the comment wasn't "I hope your children have autism" it was [22:48] <Rotavele> And I hope your kid gets autism so you have to deal with ignorant people like yourself

 

I am waiting to a ruling is passed on it as IC/OOC crossing. Luckily for me, Rudolph doesnt do much GM stuff other than talk about handling stuff on the forums via IRC.

Edited June 17, 2014 by Rotavele

[The Zigur]

Lol hereno why would you use an example that backfires.

Sadly, in CNRP2 it is the LGTB and disenfranchised minorities who get the short end of the stick.

Edited June 18, 2014 by Tywin Lannister

[Hereno]

Lol hereno why would you use an example that backfires.

Sadly, in CNRP2 it is the LGTB and disenfranchised minorities who get the short end of the stick.

Everybody who was on IRC knows what *actually* happened, and if Rotavele had any evidence to support his claims, he'd have already posted it here. There is no backfiring, only Rota trying to save face while not addressing the rest of my post. Also, I get tired of arguing with teenagers (or adults with the mental age of 14 year olds) on the internet about shit that doesn't exist. I figured that after the ban you'd simply go find something else to do, but apparently you have nothing better to do than hang around with people on the internet who don't want to be around you and actually made a vote specifically to tell you that. The good news for you is that you're still a long way from being as hilarious as certain other banned personalities who hang out in the #CNRP2 channel.

[The Zigur]

I wasnt banned, the vote count was fraudulent and conducted by a biased GM who had disagreements with me in the past.