Monster Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Yeah, seriously. The guy for some reason has stockholm syndrome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf Styke Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1329226686' post='2920239'] OsRavan knows what the right thing to do is. I wish he would just do it. [/quote] Os wouldn't know the 'right thing' if it crawled down his throat. If ODN's conduct has proven anything it's that their leadership has about as good a grip on what is just or ethical as MK. Fitting, considering how long they've had their noses up MK's ass. Edited February 15, 2012 by Olaf Styke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) Hobbes was a !@#$. Edit: But this is a fine piece of philosophical thinking. Carry on. Edited February 16, 2012 by Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster Posted February 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 Better than a lot of the stuff posted here, though. NPO uses Hobbes heavily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) And look where that got them Edited February 16, 2012 by Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster Posted February 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) They still exist despite getting owned several times. I think the Autocratic Democracy has served them quite well. Also on the neuroplasticity point, guy with highest tech nukes. Always. Don't mess it up. Edited February 16, 2012 by Roquentin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyas Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 [quote name='Olaf Styke' timestamp='1329310879' post='2921031'] Os wouldn't know the 'right thing' if it crawled down his throat. If ODN's conduct has proven anything it's that their leadership has about as good a grip on what is just or ethical as MK. Fitting, considering how long they've had their noses up MK's ass. [/quote] Thank god you guys cancelled then, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster Posted February 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 I don't agree with you Olaf. OsRavan is a good guy. He offered me help in various ways when he thought I needed it. He just likes 1337 more. That's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itseZe Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 [quote name='Olaf Styke' timestamp='1329310879' post='2921031'] Os wouldn't know the 'right thing' if it crawled down his throat. If ODN's conduct has proven anything it's that their leadership has about as good a grip on what is just or ethical as MK. Fitting, considering how long they've had their noses up MK's ass. [/quote] Lucky for us then that we do not follow a concept such as monarchy, but that our elected leaders simply follow the will of the General Assembly. Come on, as a former member you should know how we operate internally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1329356921' post='2921417'] They still exist despite getting owned several times. I think the Autocratic Democracy has served them quite well.[/quote] Yeah, but they are still !@#$*. [quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1329356921' post='2921417'] Also on the neuroplasticity point, guy with highest tech nukes. Always. Don't mess it up. [/quote] Yeah, yeah. I can't help it if I have an itchy trigger finger. Edited February 16, 2012 by Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 [quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1329223953' post='2920195'] [b]I. Equality[/b] I assert a fundamental Hobbesian equality amongst all nation rulers. In the Leviathan, Thomas Hobbes asserts that there is no distinguishing characteristic amongst men because you can beat the strongest one through numbers or deceit. Joan of Arc was able to lead the hapless French army to several victories despite her just being a peasant girl. I may know more about politics and game mechanics than you do, but I am not inherently better than any of you. I just spent a lot of time learning about it. [b]II. Neuroplasticity[/b] Our brains are able to be reconfigured to perform at higher capacities. This means if someone learns how to coordinate attacks, eventually, they'll be able to do it intuitively without instruction. TOP was mocked for never having fought, but by following the guides and extensive drilling they were able to do a lot of damage. [b]III. Good Will[/b] People should generally adopt an easy-going attitude towards others, particularly those down on their luck. This doesn't apply if the other parties are vainglorious. [b]IV. Truthfulness[/b] Nation rulers should try not to dance around issues or make things up. Being a straight shooter as often as possible is the best way to ensure you do not end up in contradictions or having stances that come back to haunt you in the future. [/quote] I agree with pretty much all of this, nicely put. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf Styke Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) [quote name='itseZe' timestamp='1329357908' post='2921427'] Lucky for us then that we do not follow a concept such as monarchy, but that our elected leaders simply follow the will of the General Assembly. Come on, as a former member you should know how we operate internally. [/quote] Yes, I do know, and the irony is that ODN's government is more rigid and impermeable than Sparta's. Remember all that horse!@#$ you guys were shoveling us mid-war about how the decision to attack XX didn't represent the will of the GA, and that ODN was really with us? Now you're telling me the elected leaders follow the will of the GA... There is a word for this... Hip... Hipo... I'll get back to you on that. Edited February 16, 2012 by Olaf Styke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Stuart Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 [quote name='Olaf Styke' timestamp='1329393598' post='2921706'] Yes, I do know, and the irony is that ODN's government is more rigid and impermeable than Sparta's. Remember all that horse!@#$ you guys were shoveling us mid-war about how the decision to attack XX didn't represent the will of the GA, and that ODN was really with us? Now you're telling me the elected leaders follow the will of the GA... There is a word for this... Hip... Hipo... I'll get back to you on that. [/quote] I thought ODN followed the word of liquidmercury? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster Posted February 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 They did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itseZe Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 [quote name='Olaf Styke' timestamp='1329393598' post='2921706'] Yes, I do know, and the irony is that ODN's government is more rigid and impermeable than Sparta's.[/quote] I was voted into Gov 2 months after I started out on Bob, and so have many other new guys, so I'm not sure what you mean. [quote name='Olaf Styke' timestamp='1329393598' post='2921706']Remember all that horse!@#$ you guys were shoveling us mid-war about how the decision to attack XX didn't represent the will of the GA, and that ODN was really with us? Now you're telling me the elected leaders follow the will of the GA... There is a word for this... Hip... Hipo... I'll get back to you on that. [/quote] What we actually said was that we weren't too enthusiastic about fighting who we fought, but we'll do what needs to be done if an ally of CnG is attacked. And you talked directly to the GA and the Gov, so you're aware of this. Anyway, this is Roq's thread and we sidelined it enough with talk about ODN. I just wanted to point out that in an active democracy you can't put everything on the Gov and pretend like the GA doesn't exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crymson Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 [quote name='Olaf Styke' timestamp='1329393598' post='2921706'] Yes, I do know, and the irony is that ODN's government is more rigid and impermeable than Sparta's. Remember all that horse!@#$ you guys were shoveling us mid-war about how the decision to attack XX didn't represent the will of the GA, and that ODN was really with us? Now you're telling me the elected leaders follow the will of the GA... [b]There is a word for this... Hip... Hipo...[/b] I'll get back to you on that. [/quote] Hipo what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyas Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 [quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1329429719' post='2922037'] Hipo what? [/quote] Hippocampus probably, his memory is fading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombie Glaucon Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 [quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1329225143' post='2920213'] [img]http://i.imgur.com/u84Kp.png[/img] [/quote] Where can I read about Natural Rights being derived from biology and/or subscribe to your newsletter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzptm Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 [quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1329223953' post='2920195'] [b]I. Equality[/b] I assert a fundamental Hobbesian equality amongst all nation rulers. In the Leviathan, Thomas Hobbes asserts that there is no distinguishing characteristic amongst men because you can beat the strongest one through numbers or deceit. Joan of Arc was able to lead the hapless French army to several victories despite her just being a peasant girl. I may know more about politics and game mechanics than you do, but I am not inherently better than any of you. I just spent a lot of time learning about it. [b]II. Neuroplasticity[/b] Our brains are able to be reconfigured to perform at higher capacities. This means if someone learns how to coordinate attacks, eventually, they'll be able to do it intuitively without instruction. TOP was mocked for never having fought, but by following the guides and extensive drilling they were able to do a lot of damage. [b]III. Good Will[/b] People should generally adopt an easy-going attitude towards others, particularly those down on their luck. This doesn't apply if the other parties are vainglorious. [b]IV. Truthfulness[/b] Nation rulers should try not to dance around issues or make things up. Being a straight shooter as often as possible is the best way to ensure you do not end up in contradictions or having stances that come back to haunt you in the future. [/quote] I like these ideas. Not everyone will adhere to them, but those that do will be happier for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omniscient1 Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 [quote name='Olaf Styke' timestamp='1329393598' post='2921706'] ... Hip... Hipo... I'll get back to you on that. [/quote] Hip Hop? That's my favorite type of music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IYIyTh Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 [quote name='Reyas' timestamp='1329430164' post='2922040'] Hippocampus probably, his memory is fading. [/quote] Hip. Heep-Hop. Hip hop anonymous? You give him all the easy ones! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanore Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 Personally question point #2. Sometimes you just can't teach an old dog a new trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austrailia Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 [quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1329223953' post='2920195'] [b]I. Equality[/b] I assert a fundamental Hobbesian equality amongst all nation rulers.[/quote] Hobbesian equality seems like an oxymoron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monster Posted February 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Lanore' timestamp='1329534526' post='2922961'] Personally question point #2. Sometimes you just can't teach an old dog a new trick. [/quote] I don't agree. Like CT was called an infrahugger for a long time. The thing is, even if 50% of people who are unmotivated and just think they're bound to get asskicked or rely on easy curbstomps to win change their minds on it and try to improve, it'll make all the difference. Australia: Hobbesian equality is simply that people are equal in a state of nature because of the fact that they can be killed. "NATURE hath made men so equal in the faculties of body and mind as that, though there be found one man sometimes manifestly stronger in body or of quicker mind than another, yet when all is reckoned together the difference between man and man is not so considerable as that one man can thereupon claim to himself any benefit to which another may not pretend as well as he. For as to the strength of body, the weakest has strength enough to kill the strongest, either by secret machination or by confederacy with others that are in the same danger with himself." Edited February 19, 2012 by Roquentin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhyd3r Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 I think the "Hip" word we are looking for here is a misspelled version of hypocrisy. And as a philosophy major, I fail to see some general consensus or argument you are trying to put forth. Are you just trying to demonstrate how pedantic and vain you are? I got that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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