Icewolf

Don't be taken in. The entire event was a plot to cover up the fact the Towers were never built. WAKE UP SHEEPLE.

EDIT: Got lost on the way to the OWF...may bad.

Yay allies hooking up with allies

Posted one minute after ours so I guess I get to say congrats to our allies and woo go MI6 for landing an awesome bunch.

Party time.

Currently involved in two debates about the morality and ethics of my alliances actions. Both are away from the prying eyes of the OWF in fairly restricted locations. I think that says it all really. Morality does exist in this game. Role Play based morality has died a death somewhat, but there are very different attitude and world views about how to do things. In the last three great wars people have debated for weeks about the morality of the actions and the validity of the CB's. Those debates still resurface from time to time. However it does not necessarily come out on the OWF much. That is because it is harder to have a clear and open debate on the OWF because everyone is looking at their image and nothing else. There are no brownie points for being truthful on the OWF. There are ultimately two sides of the political coin. You have your objectives on one side, the people you dislike, the future you want to see. On the other side you have the methods available to you. Your Smear campaigns, your PR, your strategy. The OWF is entirely that strategy. Delve into the embassies and private chats and inter-alliance IRC channels and you learn about the political morality you want to see quite quickly.

The F-86 Sabre requires 105 technology. It is 65 for the next level down the P-51 Mustang.

I wasn't considering if playing the game this way keeps you safe. Obviously in this game there is a clear risk of engaging in politics. My point is that certain people have created what they regard as the best way to play politics, and others follow it because it guarantees they don't do too disasterously.

I don't think there is a heart of the web to be shattered.

So this is about the treaty web and the fact that so many alliances have conflicting treaties. Which people complain about. A lot. If you are not aware of this, welcome to the OWF, I hope your first time is not too traumatising. The thing is, everyone has either very very few treaties or treaties that might seem to clash. Yet lots of people bemoan the twisted nature of the web and the insane complex tangle that can now only be expressed in 3D. However, it continues. In every war there have been alliances that are caught on both sides. Some of these are old treaties that no longer reflect the political landscape, and some are signed with both sides knowing damn well they will be on opposite sides in the future. The key point though is why? Why does everyone do this? Well, I regard this as painfully simple. I will refer to events in Ender's Shadow (never quite got round to reading Ender's game shhhh). Warning, spoilers below. When Ender is first made a Captain in the team as they play on the space station he radically changes the strategy for fighting. And they are devastatingly effective. And Bean reflects on this he realises that this is because the accepted doctrine of fighting is a a guaranteed draw. To change and attempt something different risks defeat and a slide down the leaderboard. Well, the same applies here. Some alliances have figured out that clashing treaties, provided it is properly managed, is a way to play the game that gives them a moderate amount of success. The ability to have a broad spectrum of allies means any challenger must have a broad spectrum of allies as well. If you play in the same way, you are guaranteed a draw, in that you hope to get as many wins and defeats as anyone else and remain roughly speaking where you are. However, if you were to aggressively change, and go against the grain, you would find yourself fighting as a minority of one. If it succeeded you would be victorious and dominant. If you failed...well there is a long road to climb back up for those that lose in this game. Ultimately, the tangled treaty web may or may not be the best way to play this game. But unless you are able to be 100% sure that a new stratagem is the way forward, you will not take that risk. This is not the Game of Thrones were you play to win or die. This is the Game of Webs, where you play to survive or die.

Always nice to see our friends making friends. :wub: Glof o/ AZTEC

Hail Lorikz. And good luck in future MHA

Maybe its an issue of meritocracy vs democracy. I have heard of alliances where there are democratic elections that always return the same candidates which may put off the new comers. Whereas an alliance with a meritocracy can perhaps offer a more hopeful chance of promotion. Although I suppose in both cases it depends on if the old guard are conscious of having created an old boys club or not and if they are willing to deal with it if they have.

There is a secret clause in the IRON charter that if Matt Miller goes, we disband.

I think they are a good thing from an OOC point of view. I don't think Brain Drain can be that significant when compared to general inactivity and deletions. In anycase, if the new alliance fails then the good people will merge back into mainstream alliances. Also, the more alliances there are the greater the potential for promotion and learning, therefore the greater the amount of "brain" available. I also think they add to the politics of the game. The more variety the more opportunity for drama. Between the global wars (so every 6 months or so) there is very little big-big alliance drama beyond treaty changes. Small newly formed alliances, with the prospect of new grudges, new upset, and inexperienced messing about creates lots of opportunities for events and drama.

All hail the mighty penguin overlords.

Treaty deaths are always sad no matter what the backstory. My condolences to both parties.

Well with the number of university students around banning people for sharing networks would be extreme.

Nice line up. May you rebuild with a pace not yet seen before (provided it is still slower than IRON :p)

I call for an eternal war against ECG on the basis of committing the most serious crime I have witnessed on these boards. There are horrors that can be done. But nothing, NOTHING, permits the use of yellow text on a white background.

I'm amazed. VE have fought very hard. Even now, with peace on the table (allegedly-it seems to take a long time), and GATO stabbing them in the back they are still hurling it all at IRON. And the level of appreciation from their so called coalition? Nil. (in)competence at its finest ladies and gentleman. Fight for them, die for them, they still don't care about you.

I always suspected it was an IP harvesting centre to be sold to alliances for them to determine who their spies were. So I will stay away. Not that I desire to spy. However there is a precedent for receipt of spy information being a grounds for war so even watching could be dangerous.

Hello and welcome to cybernations. Please ignore the trolls. Currently harmony is not present here. War and hell is present.

A leaks sharing forum.

Why is this in the OWF and not the water cooler? Do you agree with the statement that bacon is better than ice cream?