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I've found that being active on IRC is usually the quickest way to get that kind of info. Mind you, you actually have to be likeable too

[quote]1. We have never really had to deal with Caffine1 much in the past. We are, however, aware that he is not supposed to be Gov in Echelon per terms from Karma War; we now understand why. Poison Clan will no longer take queries, talk to or in other way interact with Caffine1. [/quote] I laughed. Also: [img]http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l227/dingdong34/Cat%20Macros/ButthurtPost2.jpg[/img]

I would urge both the leadership and membership of TOP not to accept any demands for reperations. Learn from the mistake of Pacifica, and reject the demands for indulgences. You might have made a mistake, but it would be far worse to compound that mistake and put your alliance into a state where rebuilding is extremely difficult for a period that would most likely last 6 months or more.

If Poison clan isn't willing to send aid offers to compensate for the losses of SBA, perhaps they ought to just let one or more of their nations be raided by SBA until 200 million in damages have been accomplished. Seems like a fair compromise to me.

Congrats ERA, you got yourself a standup protector. o/

[quote]Article IV - Article of Withdrawal<BR>120 hours of notice must be given to the other alliance before Article II &amp; III can be dissolved. [b]After this period Article I remains in place for another 30 days[/b].[/quote] I'm really liking this.Hopefully the rest of CN picks up on this little beauty and starts incorporating it into their treaties. Also, I think some congratulations are in order. o/ GUN o/ ADI

You know what, some things are best left unsaid. (Edited)

This game has been stagnating for quite a while...I remember when admin had to cap off people coming into the game, when it was around 40,000, because the servers simply couldn't handle anymore people. And the reason isn't because of overly harsh terms or anything of the sort. It's the extremely competitive, arrogant, unfriendly responses that seem to characterize many of the games most active users in combination with the fact that the game itself is poorly designed and overall quite mediocre.

[quote name='Adrian LaCroix' date='24 February 2010 - 09:40 PM' timestamp='1267073010' post='2202632'] Well, good luck with the whole "we'll never surrender" thing. I imagine it'll get old after a while. [/quote] You seriously underestimate the NSO and especially Moldavi. I wouldn't be suprised if we were to roll the clock forward a year or two and still see Moldavi refusing to surrender, even if it meant he was the sole member of NSO. The fact of the matter is that you simply will not enforce your will on Moldavi or the NSO: you cannot and will not convince them to surrender. Back on topic though, I'm not suprised by this move one bit. After Grub betrayed TOP and IRON it seemed inevitable that we'd be seeing treaty cancellations after the war and peacing out GOD during wartime pretty well demanded a cancellation. To all Polars: as a former member and one who considers NpO one of my favorite alliances (If I hadn't joined Pacifica I would've been back in Polaris), don't let Polaris be run into the ground by Grub: he's done a damned good job already and it's only going to get worse. You deserve better from your leadership.

[quote name='kevin32891' date='23 February 2010 - 04:14 PM' timestamp='1266967082' post='2199934'] Dam! And I was here hoping you guys had disbanded. Prodigal Chieftain(Bilrow) did a better job. [/quote] Nothing like Bilrow to get the blood pumping.

So, this is basically a list of Jack's least favorite alliances. I must admit, I'd be dissapointed to see we weren't #1

[quote name='Hyperion321' date='19 February 2010 - 10:05 PM' timestamp='1266642313' post='2192980'] Hold up here a sec, TPF. You constantly pressure WAPA to surrender in multiple chans, and when one gov member finally does and forgets to post it on the OWF, you attack him? Are you serious? He peaced out, changed his AA, and gave in to you, and you still attacked him? Was it too hard to pm the guy? And then when he gets pissed because you jumped him for a minor detail forgotten, you trot around the OWF humiliating him? for [i]what[/i], to try to continue this campaign to get WAPA to surrender so you can go about attacking more people? You are absolutely low lifes of the worst kind TPF. You pressure and bully an alliance that does not want to surrender day after day, and then utterly embarrass one of their gov members for no reason. You should be ashamed of yourself. I honestly hope you get rocked even harder than you already were TPF. You !@#$@#$ deserve it, punks. [/quote] And your entire side pressures and bullies a huge group of alliances that don't want to surrender. Tell me something new, Oh Self-Righteous One. As for TPF's motives, I think it's pretty clear why they're doing this: you need only read the logs provided. Maybe next time they'll be treated with a bit more respect? As for being ashamed, the only one who should be ashamed here is you, for your blatant hypocrisy. Finally, much for the absolute low lifes of the worst kind.

[quote name='joracy' date='18 February 2010 - 01:56 PM' timestamp='1266526571' post='2190162'] Impero doesn't agree with the people on his side that took surrender terms they probably didn't have to. Our side is not a hivemind; shocking! The thing is, nobody seems interested in surrendering until the original alliances are out of the war. When the original alliances are willing to work for an end to this war, we mind see that happen. [b]Offering our side a blanket surrender when you are losing isn't going to accomplish any of that.[/b] Coming to the table, and negotiating terms on the other hand might just do that. [/quote] Since when is white peace the same thing as surrender?

Do what [i]you want[/i] to do. Ignore the tools here who are moaning about your decision and just do what you think is right. You shouldn't ask for anything more than that from yourself and if doing so makes a bunch of idiots unhappy then so be it. They're just idiots anyways.

[quote name='Haflinger' date='17 February 2010 - 12:30 AM' timestamp='1266391804' post='2187285'] I do believe your argument went something along the lines of "Nobody from the GPA would ever dirty themselves by joining an NPO ally." Not saying it was rare, but saying it was impossible.[/quote] I was just skimming this thread when I saw this; I was in GPA for over a year and am now in Pacifica.

[quote name='Aurion' date='15 February 2010 - 11:13 PM' timestamp='1266300825' post='2184967'] Apparently terms are only to be followed when the surrendered party feels like it. It's so hard to keep up with community standards these days! [/quote] I don't recall us ever trying to skirt the terms. We simply asked for a temporary halt, so we wouldn't be seen as making aggressive moves against other alliances by aiding their enemies. Apparently, it was a fairly reasonable request too otherwise your peers wouldn't have accepted it.

[quote name='Earogema' date='15 February 2010 - 10:59 PM' timestamp='1266299993' post='2184916'] Except one of your arguments was based on "precedents" which NPO would have set. [/quote] If we have the power to set precedents, consider us having just set a new one.

[quote name='Denial' date='15 February 2010 - 09:26 PM' timestamp='1266294375' post='2184446'] See: my reply to bigwoody. [/quote] I saw it and wasn't moved by it. Polaris is currently attacking GOD, a member of the bloc it had 2 allies in, rendering your comment moot.

Merciful terms. o/ Emperor Chuckles o/ Pacifica

[quote name='Denial' date='15 February 2010 - 09:09 PM' timestamp='1266293352' post='2184387'] Either way, the point is irrelevant, as there is no way TOP & IRON can be operating for and defending the Polar coalition by attacking an entirely uninvolved bloc that contains two of Polar's allies. And further, lackluster communication amongst a piss-poor coalition does not justify attacks against Complaints & Grievances. [/quote] [quote][22:48] <Crymson[TOP]> Do you acknowledge that you yourself, before our attacks on MK and GR, stated all of the following: your approval of our war plans against those alliances, your intention to not honor those treaties in this instance, and your agreement that our attack was part of the greater war against \m/ and their allies? [22:49] <AlmightyGrub> correct [22:49] <Crymson[TOP]> You acknowledge all of the above? [22:49] <AlmightyGrub> yes [22:49] <Crymson[TOP]> Great. [22:49] <AlmightyGrub> I have never said I dont [22:49] <Crymson[TOP]> I'm sure you have no issue with me posting that segment on the OWF. [22:49] <Crymson[TOP]> Is that correct? [22:50] <AlmightyGrub> do whatever you feel you need to Crymson[/quote] http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=80162&st=0&p=2163314&#entry2163314 Unless Grub has come out and said otherwise, the ball is in your park...

[quote name='Heft' date='15 February 2010 - 06:27 PM' timestamp='1266283669' post='2183842'] Yea, GLOF's escalating idiocy and pointless stubbornness really is that bad. [/quote] It just seems a little odd, given their past trolling of NSO. Apparently they've made quite the impression on you though, so I'll simply wish you good luck in what I presume will be your newest treaty partners after this war.

[quote name='Chron' date='15 February 2010 - 05:48 PM' timestamp='1266281319' post='2183760'] This isn't a matter of "friends parting" but one in which a friend hears a completely unfounded accusation from someone else, then turns around and stabs their friend in the back while the police are distracted by a bank robbery. It's kind of horrible, to be honest. [/quote] Really Chron? You're going to stick up for 57th? The treaty would have been considered broken by 57th after they were caught spying on GLOF. Last time I checked, the NSO had a very similar response to spies to GLOF's current one.

Shalom!

Twice, if you don't count all the crappy resource nations. If you do, it's probably +10 nations.

[quote name='The AUT' date='07 February 2010 - 02:46 PM' timestamp='1265579176' post='2167341'] Which is sad. Is winning worth jeopardizing friendship? Perhaps it is, to some.[/quote] Looks like ODN is rubbing off faster on MK than was expected.