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[quote name='Mandolus' timestamp='1283832365' post='2444853'] Welp you did it Schattenmann, you got GOONS (and GOONS gov at that) to reply to your obvious bait thread seriously, congratulations. To the OP, I say: [img]http://i55.tinypic.com/34qp9a0.jpg[/img] [/quote] LOL WIN! [img]http://forums.cybernations.net/public/style_emoticons/default/lol1.gif[/img]

GOONs have noobs and noobs need money to not be noobs. Also its GOONS. What did you expect?

[quote name='Rugby' timestamp='1283666685' post='2442316'] Hells yeah I'll take that. Loser has to apologize for their misconceptions. Wanna shake on it? [/quote] I'll take the wager, but I only apologize to those I respect so that's obviously not on the table.

[quote name='DragonsPhyre' timestamp='1283670801' post='2442395'] Well, see, that's what we're here for. Someone's gotta educate the masses somehow. Aren't you happy that you've learned something today? [/quote] Right, that's what you've done. [img]http://forums.cybernations.net/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif[/img] I look forward to GATO's next announcement. Anyone care to take a wager that if it coincides with any of GATO's allies being thrust into a war, GATO will instantly run away? New government or not, I seriously doubt your ilk are any different then the cowards who jumped ship on NSO were.

[quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1283686552' post='2442501'] [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=91673"]http://forums.cybern...showtopic=91673[/url] [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=91758"]http://forums.cybern...showtopic=91758[/url] You guys are giving Methrage rather a lot of attention. [/quote] And let's hope the tears keep flowing! [img]http://forums.cybernations.net/public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif[/img]

Awwwwwwww Methrage you cutiepie [img]http://forums.cybernations.net/public/style_emoticons/default/wub.gif[/img] All these GOONie tears made my day. I especially loved the mini-essays they've started writing...Not that I've read them, or will, but just the fact that they put so much effort into trying to lambast you makes this thread delicious.

[quote name='Laserwolf' timestamp='1283659861' post='2442178'] [center] [/center] It is [b]my honor[/b] and privilege to present the September-October GATO Government. [/quote] I was unaware GATO had honor.

[quote name='Bilrow' timestamp='1283661428' post='2442225'] At least the cancellation period is short enough when MHA cancels on R&R. Condolences to R&R on this pairing. o/ [/quote] Willing to take bets on an ODN/GATO-style cancellation? 3 mil+50 tech says MHA bails right before a war comes up.

Hey look! Some jerk makes an announcement that sounds like a DoW but turns out to be a NAP: not only is that unparalleled in creativity, but it's also SO BLOODY AMAZING!1! -.-

TECHZ?!? If you're looking for buyers, please PM my nation.

[quote name='Ivan Moldavi' timestamp='1282795286' post='2431511']I have no doubt that the NSO's allies in NPO, TC and elsewhere would have come to their aid had they requested it. [/quote] I have doubts...especially about GATO lolz

The general attitude toward spies in this game SUCKS. We need spies to go roaming about, entering alliances and flat out destroying them from the inside out.

[quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1282704410' post='2430314'] Is that level arrogance natural or did you go to Francograd to get an implant? While it's possible you actually developed that naturally, and by the way if so, then I genuinely feel sorry for you, I sense some sort of artificial enhancement. [/quote] Breast implants FTW.

Please die again. Shame it probably won't be as delicious as the first time, but I can enjoy this way too.

Don't pay the craters. They don't own you and you shouldn't let them treat you like they do.

Yeah, because Hydra is really that !@#$@#$ stupid. Your just plain wack.

Hope you get some repz!

No to all. Being an ally means that you respect your allies wishes and don't just do w/e bloody well please. That's assuming that you actually respect your ally in the first place.

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1281345648' post='2407220'] Look, the Cyberverse as a whole is currently in the process of rebuilding, including SuperGrievances (but especially C&G, who did the heavy lifting in the last war.) I've spoken to people in ODN about the possibility of war and I *know* that we didn't want war until later, so that we could build up warchests and stuff. The idea that we orchestrated this war to hit Pacifica is absurd. If we did something like that, it would wait until later. [/quote] It's always nice if you can isolate them from their allies and push them in directions they don't want to go though, no? Dunno that anyone said anything about drawing them into war... [color=#1C2837][size=2][quote]Sure lets be perfectly frank, you are wrong. Its very simple, NSO committed an act of war against Ragnarok. Again to be frank, they had the opportunity not to do so, the choice was theirs they made it and here we are. No amount of spin is going to change the fact this had literally nothing to do with NSO treaty partners, so your edits for accuracy are correct for 1/2 of your sentence. It dosent have much to do with the pissant nation, it has to do with the NSO committing an act of war. Want to edit it again for complete accuracy? [/quote][/size][/color] [color=#1C2837][size=2] [/size][/color] [size="3"][color="#1C2837"][size=2]My edits were done to the previous statement that I made. I stand by the part you quoted.[/size][/color][/size]

[quote name='delendum' timestamp='1281343592' post='2407181'] The fact that NSO accepted that person into its ranks doesn't absolve said person of the consequences of his actions. The NSO isn't some miraculous get-out-of-jail free card for douche bags, it's an alliance. If they chose to readily accept rogues, they must be willing to deal with people that still want to collect. [/quote] I find this ironic considering Chickenzilla is in your alliance in large part because of the NSO. I digress though. [quote]I don't see how anybody is required to play by the NSO's terms just because their recruitment process is... hasty. If nothing else, it's the NSO that should show some willingness to find a solution, other than saying "we don't care, he's our member now, we'll protect him". Which, mind you, they're entirely entitled to say. In which case you'll get alliances like RoK replying with "well we don't care either, we'll still attack him". [/quote] Looks like the NSO [i]did[/i] make attempts at diplomacy, but were rebutted by RoK so that really isn't the case. Let's be perfectly frank here though...this war has nothing to do with a pissant nation of 2k NS and everything to do with NSO's treaties. edits for accuracy

Hardly surprising tbh. I wouldn't worry too much about this either NSO, because I'm sure GATO would have pulled this on any other alliance too.

[quote name='Earogema' timestamp='1281342019' post='2407152'] I really don't get NSO's policy for the alliance petitioning the removal of a member. Shouldn't NSO check the nation themselves, not have them present proof? It seems like they just hope the rogue they're accepting will just be forgotten about and go scot free. NSO should have checked his status. If you don't want to work at getting rogues protection then don't accept rogues. Unless you want trouble, which NSO wanted. So there we have it. Also I really don't get why on earth you'd aid a person being accused of being a rogue while they are getting attacked. I can understand not giving into Rok's pressure, but you don't just aid the goddamn nation. You go to Rok and say "Why are you attacking this nation? You have yet to provide proof (as stupid as having Rok provide that proof is)." Hell, NSO could have had their own CB if they weren't stupid. Now for the whole: "4k NS is too small for this war to even matter argument." Why not just let him get ZI'ed then? 3 million rebuilds 4k NS easy, or hell, just click on "Search wars" then aid the two guys the rogue attacked with 3 million (he did much less damage, but anything less is just a waste of a slot anyway). Problem solved. Even if one concedes that Rok had plenty of ways to prevent the war, NSO had just as much ability to prevent the war without being cowardly about it. They decided to do something ballzy and got hit for it. [/quote] NSO has always maintained a policy of allowing CN's "villains" to enter the alliance- just because someone doesn't like him from another alliance isn't enough to stop him from getting accepted into the Order. And how would letting one of their own nations get ZIed not be bending over to RoK? Any half assed decent alliance will protect its members and that's precisely what the NSO did here by ensuring its member could fight its wars and win.

Thank you for keeping this to a minimum. It's nice to just read a treaty and know exactly what it is within 30 seconds.

[quote name='Ojiras Ajeridas' timestamp='1280824784' post='2399310'] I don't see where Ramirus met with this section. For what I see in this thread (and I invite people to teach me wrong if it wasn't like this) he mostly ignored MHA in his action during the last months, and finally he made white peace without even informing MHA. gRAMlins seemed to consider this treaty as a given, as it was indeed theoretically uncancellable (and from an e-lawyering point of view your right here). But when does a treaty become void considering the ignoration of the treaty by one of the signature parties? How can MHA be expected to accept everything? I mean, as long as there is one nation flying under GRE AA, the alliance theoretically exists, and so would also Härmlins Accords. I think every alliance would have cancelled this treaty at some point (although many alliances would have been careful enough not to sign it in a first point). [/quote] The kicker is that it was not a treaty that was "breakable". In fact it was specifically supposed to not be breakable. Spirit of the treaty or not, this really only goes to show that MHA's word means squat. They made a unbreakable pact and they should have to suffer through the consequences, as was intended from the beginning should the !@#$ hit the fan.

I'd be pissed if people weren't doing what I wanted them to do too.