Nor will admit defeat but won't surrender? If true this is the height of stupidity. I have never understood why this a sticking point for some alliances, honestly can someone explain to me why a defeated party would admit defeat but not surrender? Nor you have stood by your allies against overwhelming odds and I commend you for your efforts. But this foolish "we won't surrender" is hurting your reputation and more importantly your allies. You came in to help your allies so do the right thing when your allies need it the most, swallow your pride, surrender and get your friends and allies peace.