Telchar

Grub's Legacy

Mostly Harmless Alliance - 3 Green Protection Agency - 1 Fark - 7 Independent Republic Of Orange Nations - 8 Sparta - 4 World Task Force - 1 Orange Defense Network - 4 The Order Of The Paradox -10 Umbrella - 9 New Pacific Order - 4 Global Alliance And Treaty Organization - 3 Viridian Entente - 6 The Democratic Order - 1 New Polar Order - 1 FOK - 7 R&R - 6 Mushroom Kingdom - 9 Nordreich - 6 LoSS - 4 Nusantara Elite Warriors - 5 The Legion - 4 Valhalla - 3 Multicolored Cross-X Alliance - 2 Nueva Vida - 3 The Foreign Division - 3 Federation Of Armed Nations - 9 NATO - 3 Global Order of Darkness - 1 The Grand Lodge Of Freemasons - 3 Legacy - 3 The Templar Knights - 3 The Order Of Light - 3 Asgaard - 3 iFOK - 7 Commonwealth Of Sovereign Nations - 2 Athens - 3 World Federation - 3 Goon Order Of Oppression Negligence And Sadism - 9 Fellowship Of Elite Allied Republics - 3 Global Democratic Alliance - 2 Argent - 9 Guru Order - 3 Christian Coalition Of Countries - 2 Ragnarok - 2 The Phoenix Federation - 2 Random Insanity Alliance - 4

[quote name='Charles Stuart' timestamp='1297423250' post='2629241'] Who said we were planning on a short war? We won't grow and you won't get tech for the next 6 months or maybe even a year. Lets see who has the stronger resolve shall we? [/quote] What stops them from importing tech?

Threads like this won't change anything. DH must show NPO and world at large that this kind of peace mode strategy isn't going to end well. People has to know it's not going to work and that hiding in peace mode costs you more than fighting. It's clear that Pacifica thinks they can keep their nations in peace mode and wait for you to give them peace. And why is that? It worked for them last time, in Karma. So don't give them peace and make them actually pay more for it, don't back out from your demands!

It's too early to say, history and therefore winners will decide.

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1297107188' post='2624352'] We both know that TOP interest to back us in bi-polar has nothing to do with you supporting our ideals, but with the fact that you wanted to destroy CnG. So do both of us a favor and cut the crap. [/quote] This confirms that you really don't know what you're talking about, but makes clear why you think the way you do.

Good luck, you will need it! Also have fun!

To me it's more interesting to think how much actual money you'll destroy when nuking people like Alexandros or Hime Temis, considering how much they've probably spent on their nations.

War fatigue is a terrible disease and should be treated with mercy killing.

[quote name='Il Impero Romano' timestamp='1283756801' post='2443512'] Before anyone gets any cute ideas, I want to make it known that while I have absolutely no opinion on the actual content of the issue, if anyone touches the neutrals on Green without cause there is a very good chance I'll !@#$ing break your head. Aqua neutrals, blue neutrals, couldn't care less, have yourselves a field day. Green neutrals...broken head. Just sayin. [/quote] [quote name='Telchar' timestamp='1283755680' post='2443500'] Neutral alliances are perfrect targets to relieve boredom. Compared to unaligneds rolling neutral alliances, [b]and their possible defenders[/b], provide more challenge and require better organizing. Also it's easier to squeeze huge reps from such collective. Gangbanging them, one by one every now and then, would keep them from bloating as well. It's a win-win situation! [/quote] Thanks, I think I got it right this time.

Neutral alliances are perfrect targets to relieve boredom. Compared to unaligneds rolling neutral alliances provide more challenge and require better organizing. Also it's easier to squeeze huge reps from such collective. Gangbanging them, one by one every now and then, would keep them from bloating as well. It's a win-win situation!

That's pretty epic.

I guess the guy running it got bored. Who knows..

Cool, I prefer Adom thought.

[quote name='potato' date='28 April 2010 - 01:02 PM' timestamp='1272448941' post='2278387'] On the topic of reps though, [b]the way I see it is that our side got tonked, we paid reps[/b], your side got tonked, you paid reps. We're back to square one and it's up to the next winning side to decide whether reps are as evil/unfair/harsh/whatever as everyone on the losing side is claiming (although they were OK when they were receiving them). [/quote] Erm, care to elaborate when we "tonked" your side and made you pay reps to us? I think, and I believe most agree with me, that the whole Planet Bob went "back to square one" after Karma war, when Pacifica was defeated and punished. That was it and the table was clear. Now you decided to continue the path of harsh reps by forcing us, the ones who haven't taken reps from you, to pay huge reps. You could have put an end to "evil reps" but chose not to.

[quote name='potato' date='28 April 2010 - 12:50 AM' timestamp='1272405014' post='2277663'] So, basically, you're just as bad as us, you just don't have the chance to act on it right now? Gotcha. [/quote] No, we just treat others like they've treated us.

Rebuilding, fun stuff. [quote name='potato' date='27 April 2010 - 01:20 PM' timestamp='1272363601' post='2277215'] Wait... I thought what we did was evil and despicable. And still, should the other side be on the winning side next time, they'll do exactly the same as we did? What about taking the moral high ground and putting a stop to this "evil reps" thing like many of those self proclaimed saviours have claimed? [/quote] You had the chance to end the cycle of "evil reps". Now, because you decided to ignore that chance, they will do exactly the same as you did, plus interest. But you already knew that.

You forgot to point out that TOP clearly has the best Grämlins.

Well after all imitation is the highest form of flattery.

[quote name='kriekfreak' date='02 March 2010 - 10:42 AM' timestamp='1267519572' post='2211103'] UE, is it possible to do [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=299&view=findpost&p=2159877"]this[/url] again? I know it takes up a lot of actions and stuff so perhaps we can persuade CnG to let you slip into peace mode just for the sake of stats.. [/quote] Maybe he could do it now and [b]you[/b] would be starring it! 2 days of war and you've lost already [b]16k[/b] land. War against TOP is horror.

Yeah, lucky you you've got all those poor !@#$%^&* doing your dirty work. Also thanks to them you can try to extort ridiculous amounts of reps from us.

NUTS!

[quote name='renegade4box' date='19 February 2010 - 02:23 PM' timestamp='1266582191' post='2191901'] I pointed out that it's entirely possibly for a [b]situation to arise where you can form a crushing coalition, seeing as how close you were to it just a few weeks ago.[/b] If we let you, an opponent that hates us and declared an aggressive war without justification, just walk away from the war as soon as it starts to turn in our favor then we're just asking for you to rebuild and strike as soon as we look weak again. [/quote] Crushing coalition and just few weeks ago? Are you sure you're not just trying to $%&@ with me?! Yea whatever, but based on dealings with you guys, public and private, it's obvious that we are not the party who has been antagonizing and baiting for a long time now. Your fellows have admitted to us they've deliberately doing it for ages. Although I'm sure it's not a secret to anyone. Therefore it's obvious we're not the ones carrying hate here. [quote name='renegade4box' date='19 February 2010 - 02:23 PM' timestamp='1266582191' post='2191901'] You guys prefer white peace as soon as things go against you. You didn't prefer white peace during GPA, noCB, and you sure as hell didn't enter the war with the intent of ever offering us white peace. Your entire history has been on the side of those that demand crushing reps, those that promote the total destruction of alliances. The only exception being when you tried to play both sides during Karma. As for this war, you entered with the intent to destroy us, then as soon as it became evident that wouldn't happen, you switched to damage control mode of trying (unsuccessfully) to make yourselves look benevolent and pretending to be victims. Aside from syz, I don't think anyone has genuinely bought into your bs. [/quote] AFAIK white peace was the objective from the beginning. We entered the war to support NpO, who had white peace on table already, so how could we demand anything more from you guys? Amazing. We do have a history of taking reps, but that's history. We have changed, we haven't taken reps for 1½ years and that's what counts. In Karma war we were pursuing for quick and clean victory, and we achieved it. Decisive victory, white peace, shaking hands and everyone can walk away. We weren't there trying to destroy alliances or for old grudges. If we wanted we could have extorted reps like you guys, but I guess we're above it. [quote name='renegade4box' date='19 February 2010 - 02:23 PM' timestamp='1266582191' post='2191901'] Things happen pretty slowly around these parts, [b]2 years ago and a year and a half ago are pretty recent in my mind.[/b] Basically you're trying to say that because you didn't demand crushing reps in the last war (in which you tried to play both sides), that everything before that should be forgotten. Sorry, but history doesn't work like that. [/quote] Then you must remember how you fought GPA within our ranks. At least to me, and I hope to many others, it's more important what people have done recently, like within a year at max, than in the past. If you want to make any comparisons, your alliance has taken more reps and more recently than my alliance. And now you're looking more.

[quote name='renegade4box' date='19 February 2010 - 01:14 PM' timestamp='1266578079' post='2191860'] Had your alliance been smart enough to enter the previous war on a defensive treaty instead of starting a new side war, the sides that would have developed would have had a good chance of being in your favor. By declaring an offensive war, you caused about 40 mil in NS to switch sides, creating an 80 mil difference between the sides. [/quote] This answers to what? I asked about the mystical strong coalition that would take you down, by your account it would happen in a month or so after taking a white peace with us. [quote name='renegade4box' date='19 February 2010 - 01:14 PM' timestamp='1266578079' post='2191860'] [b]Well I guess that's where we differ.[/b] I think reps that reduce your ability to wage war will be perhaps our best bet to protect ourselves from a recurrence of a CB-less aggressive war. [/quote] Yes, that's how we differ. We prefer white peace and you prefer harsh reps. You want to continue the old hegemonic ways while we're evolving. [quote name='renegade4box' date='19 February 2010 - 01:14 PM' timestamp='1266578079' post='2191860'] Yea, like the white peace that Polar and GPA got, right? [/quote] Polar war happened 1½ years ago, GPA war 2 years ago, it's been a pretty long time and lots of things happened since. That's why I said [b]recently[/b]. What have you done recently? Oh yea demanded the biggest reps ever, and now most likely trying to TOP that. [quote name='renegade4box' date='19 February 2010 - 01:14 PM' timestamp='1266578079' post='2191860'] It's no secret that when you hate your enemy (which is beyond obvious the case here), that you guys seek to crush them and impose destructive reps. [/quote] You do realize that's ironic beyond belief?! That's so sigged!

[quote name='renegade4box' date='19 February 2010 - 12:29 PM' timestamp='1266575364' post='2191836'] What a great idea, then you guys can attack next month when you have a stronger coalition and sometime tells me there wouldn't be a white peace offer that time. [/quote] First, what is this mystical stronger coalition that would take down the over 200 million nation strength strong of yours? Second, if it's some kind of "super coalition" you're afraid of, I don't think forcing huge reps on alliances is the best way to avoid it. Third, we have a quite recently handled out white peace like candy, why would we change that? And people say TOP is/was paranoid. *sigh*