Politician Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Instr' timestamp='1295440081' post='2583734'] So, GATO, my suggestion to you is that you declare on yourself and be done with it. That way, no one can complain about you not honoring your treaty obligations, and you can properly control the flow of battle as you'd like. It'll be a fun way to participate in this global war and all of your members will have fond memories of destroying each other. [/quote] Genius! [quote name='Alterego' timestamp='1295437858' post='2583692'] How can it be an act of aggression when it was a set up? Same old [s]UPN [/s]GATO [/quote] [quote name='Alterego' timestamp='1295440370' post='2583739'] No not everything just this one. Its either a manufactured CB or it was a genuine one. If it was manufactured then VE is the aggressor if not then Polar was the aggressor. Trying to muddy the water is a way to save their neck or a way to make it appear they are unable to act. The truth is they are intentionally trying to find a way out and not for the 1st time I believe. [/quote] Quite frankly it doesn't matter. We've just told you we consider both sides to have acted stupidly and irrationally and that we don't care either way. We've just told you that we'll be defending all our allies hit in this war, irrespective of side, considering it's them to whom we owe our help and without whom we wouldn't even be involved in this rubbish. So now I ask [i]you, [/i]kindly tell us how on earth do you figure out us trying to save our necks? Finding a way out? When this announcement is just the opposite. But eh don't bother. I guess sometimes you just can't help spewing garbage. Edited January 19, 2011 by Politician Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Ok GATO, you are going to keep all your treaties... ...so far there have been two war decs, both raids unrelated to the current major hostilities. Nice job keeping your treaties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendoftheSkies Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='Bob Ilyani' timestamp='1295415459' post='2582974'] Your point is? Why is it all of a sudden announcement-worthy to honor treaties, something which should always happen anyways? [/quote] Because it doesn't happen always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Politician Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1295447119' post='2583828'] Ok GATO, you are going to keep all your treaties... ...so far there have been two war decs, both raids unrelated to the current major hostilities. Nice job keeping your treaties. [/quote] What are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Politician' timestamp='1295446449' post='2583820'] I guess sometimes you just can't help spewing garbage. [/quote] The subject influences my comments. How about you lend them your spy operations then try to delete yourself from the history of the war. Edited January 19, 2011 by Alterego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Politician Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Alterego' timestamp='1295449543' post='2583869'] The subject influences my comments. [/quote] Good to know there's nothing backing your comments except your irrational dislike of our alliance. edit: [quote name='Alterego' timestamp='1295449543' post='2583869'] How about you lend them your spy operations then try to delete yourself from the history of the war. [/quote] Spy operations are part of the package. Edited January 19, 2011 by Politician Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='Politician' timestamp='1295449685' post='2583872'] Good to know there's nothing backing your comments except your irrational dislike of our alliance. [/quote] Just your actions or lack of actions. I dont dislike your alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Politician Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Alterego' timestamp='1295449820' post='2583873'] Just your actions or lack of actions. I dont dislike your alliance. [/quote] You mean our past actions? Whichever those might be, that's ok, I expect you've made that clear back then when we did them. If you mean our current actions, you've just said that all that talk about "neck saving" and "staying out" was backed simply by the fact it's a GATO announcement and nothing else. Which makes you immediately prejudiced. If you got anything concrete against what we're doing now, by all means share why. Edited January 19, 2011 by Politician Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='Politician' timestamp='1295448469' post='2583848'] What are you talking about? [/quote] I couldn't help but notice that you have a treaty with IAA. I just hope that when the time comes, you'll take action. Sorry, ODN gave rather similar speeches once upon a time and when the shooting stopped, they always seemed to have a full magazine, usually because at some point they came back to the OWF during the war and cited "conflicting treaties mumble, mumble, mumble...". Of course ODN now plays spear carrier, so I'm sure we'll see them in this fight eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Wilson Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1295452659' post='2583924'] I couldn't help but notice that you have a treaty with IAA. I just hope that when the time comes, you'll take action. Sorry, ODN gave rather similar speeches once upon a time and when the shooting stopped, they always seemed to have a full magazine, usually because at some point they came back to the OWF during the war and cited "conflicting treaties mumble, mumble, mumble...". Of course ODN now plays spear carrier, so I'm sure we'll see them in this fight eventually. [/quote] We also have a treaty with TIO...and a couple of other alliances who will be on this side and that side. Whats your point? Are you being serious in saying that we're going to NOT follow through with all of our treaties and just sit out the war or are you trying to be funny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerschbs Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='James Wilson' timestamp='1295453284' post='2583934'] We also have a treaty with TIO...and a couple of other alliances who will be on this side and that side. Whats your point? Are you being serious in saying that we're going to NOT follow through with all of our treaties and just sit out the war or are you trying to be funny? [/quote] To be fair, this is an excuse that has been used for years to stay out of wars. Don't worry Hal, if IAA is countered, we will defend them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qazzian Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 I truly hope that when the dust settles at the end of this, your decision serves your alliance well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens of the desert Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 So GATO are basically cowards and can't have strong convictions. I don't respect you for this move at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjaminperdomo Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='Jens of the desert' timestamp='1295454248' post='2583941'] So GATO are basically cowards and can't have strong convictions. I don't respect you for this move at all. [/quote] Being a coward is going to war for any ally that needs it? That's news to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Wilson Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='Jens of the desert' timestamp='1295454248' post='2583941'] So GATO are basically cowards and can't have strong convictions. I don't respect you for this move at all. [/quote] Did you misread the OP, or are you just plain stupid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hertugen Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Good luck GATO. Whatever happens, I still love you. And I know you will always have IAA's back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='kerschbs' timestamp='1295453348' post='2583935'] To be fair, this is an excuse that has been used for years to stay out of wars. Don't worry Hal, if IAA is countered, we will defend them. [/quote] That's what I was looking for...less dancing, more direct. Stay loose in the on deck circle, kerschbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoADarthCyfe6 Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Jens of the desert' timestamp='1295454248' post='2583941'] So GATO are basically cowards and can't have strong convictions. I don't respect you for this move at all. [/quote] lolwut? Because we have fantastic allies and the fact that they are on both sides and considering the way this war started? Good sir, I'd advise you that it's not a good idea to pick 'favorites' in any matter, especially when they did nothing to harm our views of them AT ALL. We love all of our allies equally but the treaty web puts us smack dab in the middle of this conflict. We REFUSE to pick favorites because it's morally wrong on many accounts and we do not hold grudges over other alliances to allow to sway any opinion in this matter. We will burn for our allies, not for one's dislike of others. Please come up for a better reason to dislike GATO this pile of rubbish. Thank you. Edited January 19, 2011 by SoADarthCyfe6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Politician Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1295452659' post='2583924'] I couldn't help but notice that you have a treaty with IAA. I just hope that when the time comes, you'll take action. Sorry, ODN gave rather similar speeches once upon a time and when the shooting stopped, they always seemed to have a full magazine, usually because at some point they came back to the OWF during the war and cited "conflicting treaties mumble, mumble, mumble...". Of course ODN now plays spear carrier, so I'm sure we'll see them in this fight eventually. [/quote] Yeah, that's exactly why we posted this. Because we weren't aware our allies were going in this war. We made this announcement just for fun, we don't intend on following it through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerschbs Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='Jens of the desert' timestamp='1295454248' post='2583941'] So GATO are basically cowards and can't have strong convictions. I don't respect you for this move at all. [/quote] Our convictions are strong enough that we will defend our allies, despite the reason they are going to war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Noldorin Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 (edited) Let's say IAA is countered by alliance X. You uphold your MDP and attack X. Let's say that two days later Athens enters into the conflict and is attacked by alliance Y. How are you going to help Athens if your forces are focused on X? Your problem is compounded even more if ODN enters and is hit by someone. Are you going to help them too? Edited January 19, 2011 by Feanor Noldorin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laslo Kenez Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='Feanor Noldorin' timestamp='1295457428' post='2584013'] Let's say IAA is countered by alliance X. You uphold your MDP and attack X. Let's say that two days later Athens enters into the conflict and is attacked by alliance Y. How are you going to help Athens if your forces are focused on X? Your problem is compounded even more if ODN enters and is hit by someone. Are you going to help them too? [/quote] When you looked at the OP did you actually read something else all together? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Politician Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='Feanor Noldorin' timestamp='1295457428' post='2584013'] Let's say IAA is countered by alliance X. You uphold your MDP and attack X. Let's say that two days later Athens enters into the conflict and is attacked by alliance Y. How are you going to help Athens if your forces are focused on X? Your problem is compounded even more if ODN enters and is hit by someone. Are you going to help them too? [/quote] [quote name='Arsenal']On behalf of the Global Alliance and Treaty Organization, I hereby affirm that we will honour [i]all[/i] of our defensive obligations as so requested, regardless of their position on the battlefield.[/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Noldorin Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='Laslo Kenez' timestamp='1295458258' post='2584026'] When you looked at the OP did you actually read something else all together? [/quote] I saw that you were going to honor all your MDPs. Bravo, I'm just curious as to how your actually going to be able to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 [quote name='Politician' timestamp='1295456920' post='2584000'] Yeah, that's exactly why we posted this. Because we weren't aware our allies were going in this war. We made this announcement just for fun, we don't intend on following it through. [/quote] It's nice to see periodic reminders of why the UPS bloc (I or II) never lived up to its potential despite my desire in early 2008 that Brown be a team to be reckoned with. [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=97321&view=findpost&p=2583967"]Anyway, see my comment earlier.[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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