ChairmanHal Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 [quote name='Ashoka the Great' timestamp='1282089975' post='2420624'] Yup, ranking it right up there with 'lol Peace Mode' discussions or people taunting each other on IRC about whose random 'battle skills' are better. [/quote] Actually, given the spectacular lack of OPSEC being displayed, it's starting to have that certain World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE is broadcast by the Haleenstar Broadcasting Network at 11:30 pm Sunday nights and carries the following disclaimer at the bottom of the screen: "STUNT SHOW, not a real sport") smell about it, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 [quote name='lakerzz8' timestamp='1282092284' post='2420700'] Either we have all successfully traveled back in time to last night or you're walking in circles. [/quote] You've got nothing, nice attempt at a dodging the question though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 [quote name='Shodemofi' timestamp='1282091922' post='2420682'] Defending against a rogue =/= tech raid [/quote] Thats why the wars between Merrie and STA were started by Merrie. Oh wait thats not what happened, STA attacked Merrie [b]while he was still in \m/[/b]. So how was STA defending against a rogue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomhower Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 [quote name='Penkala' timestamp='1282092225' post='2420696'] The only one being stupid here is you. What STA just did risked a lot for a small incident. I have no doubt \m/ will be the bigger man in this and not make it a contest of egos, but if \m/ acted in the same irresponsible way STA is in regards to this then the consequences pretty bad and would be a hell of a lot more 'immoral' things happening and you'd only have STA to blame. Now that's not to say that \m/'s initial actions weren't <self-censoring on this one>, and I'm pretty pissed at \m/ for even allowing this to happen, but I'm extremely disappointed in STA for putting so much in jeopardy (even if the risk is small). The consequences of this turning to a full-out war would make the initial incident look like an extremely minor 'injustice'. But whatever. Pezstar has never been known for thinking anything through and considering the long-term consequences of her actions. Instead, she acts in a way that is 'morally correct', and it is my personal opinion that she should not be telling others what is 'morally correct' when her own home is not in order (you allow tech raiding... quite odd for a 'moralist' alliance.) If this was instead initialized by our extremely large, furry friend, then I'll be very disappointed in his decision. But I simply can't believe that to be the case. He has never been one to ignore the long-term consequences of his actions, at least not in my experience with him. tl;dr: Stop your stupid !@#$ that's pissing people off, \m/ Stop trying to start drama. You always do it the wrong way. We don't want wars with STA, we're supposed to be trapping NPO in a war. STA: Mind your own business and don't put all our progress thus far at risk for a small gain in 'fairness' today. If you want that small improvement to the planet, then look inwards and improve yourselves first. And please, Pezstar, start looking beyond tomorrow. Big picture, etc. And that's my 2 cents! Edit: Also, talks about MK falling from \m/embers is hilarious. MK will be here for a long time, and I like it that way. [/quote] Well I guess someone holds a grudge anyways moving on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakerzz8 Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 [quote name='Caliph' timestamp='1282092682' post='2420711'] Thats why the wars between Merrie and STA were started by Merrie. Oh wait thats not what happened, STA attacked Merrie [b]while he was still in \m/[/b]. So how was STA defending against a rogue? [/quote] Okay, we really have time-traveled to last night. Congratulations guys! This is an incredible feat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmmehhh Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Lol at "going rogue" with no nukes or MHP. I wonder how that will work out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerBaby Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 [quote name='Timmehhh' timestamp='1282092886' post='2420718'] Lol at "going rogue" with no nukes or MHP. I wonder how that will work out... [/quote] Give him some credit he had $2 million to do a lot of damage to STA on the road to ZI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 [quote name='lakerzz8' timestamp='1282092877' post='2420717'] Okay, we really have time-traveled to last night. Congratulations guys! This is an incredible feat! [/quote] \m/ never agreed Merrie was a rogue, and we never will because it is simply not true. But please talk about how words make you a rogue, and not actions. Hey Lakerzz8, I'm planning on going rogue on you tomorow. Please preempt me and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 [quote name='Caliph' timestamp='1282092682' post='2420711'] Thats why the wars between Merrie and STA were started by Merrie. Oh wait thats not what happened, STA attacked Merrie [b]while he was still in \m/[/b]. So how was STA defending against a rogue? [/quote] Yep. definitely back to last night. The only reason MM was attacked was because we were told he had left \m/ to go rogue on the STA [b]by your MoFA[/b]. The error that caused the attacks on MM was from your alliance, not the STA. No matter how hard you try and spin this those are the facts. If you have an issue over what happened then take it up with your MoFA. If you cannot be honest with yourself then there is not much point in me expecting you to be honest with anyone else. The situation was rectified last night where it was agreed the wars with MM would be peaced out, if MM chooses to thumb his nose at his own alliance's agreement then that is his choice. The STA has complied with the agreement reached and as such we have nothing further to do with regards to the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroofTime55 Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 [quote name='Caliph' timestamp='1282092682' post='2420711'] Thats why the wars between Merrie and STA were started by Merrie. Oh wait thats not what happened, STA attacked Merrie [b]while he was still in \m/[/b]. So how was STA defending against a rogue? [/quote]When Merrie attacks the STA nations he is engaged with in four hours, what is the position of \m/ going to be? Seriously, I'm looking out for you here, because if you're just going to dump Merrie, all your tough guy words now are going to look really silly in a few hours. Will STA have to bring in MK and Polaris to make you brown your pants again? Or will the memory of last night be enough to accomplish that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lennox Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 [quote name='Caliph' timestamp='1282092682' post='2420711'] Thats why the wars between Merrie and STA were started by Merrie. Oh wait thats not what happened, STA attacked Merrie [b]while he was still in \m/[/b]. So how was STA defending against a rogue? [/quote] Why don't we skip all the arguing and e-lawyering and get right to the part where \m/ should be attacking, or walking away with your tail between your legs. Ah thats right, STA laid down the law last night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penkala Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 [quote name='Boomhower' timestamp='1282092784' post='2420713'] Well I guess someone holds a grudge anyways moving on [/quote] What would I possibly hold a grudge for? STA is doing something ridiculous, and I'm giving my opinion on that. By your criteria of 'having a grudge' almost every member of STA who has posted has a grudge against \m/ and that's the only reason the war happened. You just have a grudge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedj Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 [quote name='acrux' timestamp='1282089927' post='2420622'] Well we now know how STA can laugh at some with small WC.. one day they will decide to play with the big kids? maybe?? i has ball. [/quote] Having fought STA for a bit in the last war they need to be VERY careful with those stones....i hear they break glass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 [quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1282093081' post='2420726'] When Merrie attacks the STA nations he is engaged with in four hours, what is the position of \m/ going to be? Seriously, I'm looking out for you here, because if you're just going to dump Merrie, all your tough guy words now are going to look really silly in a few hours. Will STA have to bring in MK and Polaris to make you brown your pants again? Or will the memory of last night be enough to accomplish that? [/quote] First I doubt STA will need to bring in anybody, but if they do it will only be MK, NpO is bound by agreement not to hit \m/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 [quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1282093061' post='2420725'] Yep. definitely back to last night. The only reason MM was attacked was because we were told he had left \m/ to go rogue on the STA [b]by your MoFA[/b]. The error that caused the attacks on MM was from your alliance, not the STA. No matter how hard you try and spin this those are the facts. If you have an issue over what happened then take it up with your MoFA. If you cannot be honest with yourself then there is not much point in me expecting you to be honest with anyone else. The situation was rectified last night where it was agreed the wars with MM would be peaced out, if MM chooses to thumb his nose at his own alliance's agreement then that is his choice. The STA has complied with the agreement reached and as such we have nothing further to do with regards to the matter. [/quote] I blatantly told Pezstar that what CSM said was not true, and that Merrie was still in \m/. That should have sent the message that Merrie was not a rogue, and he had not performed any actions that can be deemed as "rogue" worthy. But still you and yours bring up this "defending against a rogue" bit. Really, get over it, Merrie is not a rogue. We went over this last night. I specifically stated that if Merrie goes rogue we will not defend him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 [quote name='Penkala' timestamp='1282093204' post='2420729'] What would I possibly hold a grudge for? STA is doing something ridiculous, and I'm giving my opinion on that. By your criteria of 'having a grudge' almost every member of STA who has posted has a grudge against \m/ and that's the only reason the war happened. You just have a grudge. [/quote] Careful now, STA has the self proclaimed right to redefine terminology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroofTime55 Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 [quote name='Merrie Melodies' timestamp='1282093222' post='2420733'] First I doubt STA will need to bring in anybody, but if they do it will only be MK, NpO is bound by agreement not to hit \m/ [/quote]I wasn't aware Polaris signed a non-aggression pact with \m/. Would you be so kind as to link me to this treaty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrie Melodies Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 [quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1282093061' post='2420725'] Yep. definitely back to last night. The only reason MM was attacked was because we were told he had left \m/ to go rogue on the STA [b]by your MoFA[/b]. The error that caused the attacks on MM was from your alliance, not the STA. No matter how hard you try and spin this those are the facts. If you have an issue over what happened then take it up with your MoFA. If you cannot be honest with yourself then there is not much point in me expecting you to be honest with anyone else. The situation was rectified last night where it was agreed the wars with MM would be peaced out, if MM chooses to thumb his nose at his own alliance's agreement then that is his choice. The STA has complied with the agreement reached and as such we have nothing further to do with regards to the matter. [/quote] I have made my position quiet clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Stuart Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Look out, the siberian sheriff is in town to put an end to the raiding. Good work STA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pezstar Posted August 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 [quote name='Caliph' timestamp='1282093315' post='2420738'] I blatantly told Pezstar that what CSM said was not true, and that Merrie was still in \m/. That should have sent the message that Merrie was not a rogue, and he had not performed any actions that can be deemed as "rogue" worthy. But still you and yours bring up this "defending against a rogue" bit. Really, get over it, Merrie is not a rogue. We went over this last night. I specifically stated that if Merrie goes rogue we will not defend him. [/quote] You're also going to have to remove him from government, disavow his actions and allow us free reign to do what we please with his nation. You can't have a member of your government attacking us. It's not a rogue at that point. It's a war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 [quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1282093341' post='2420741'] I wasn't aware Polaris signed a non-aggression pact with \m/. Would you be so kind as to link me to this treaty? [/quote] It is an understanding that was reached when they re-treatied our mutual ally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakerzz8 Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 [quote name='Caliph' timestamp='1282093059' post='2420724'] \m/ never agreed Merrie was a rogue, and we never will because it is simply not true. But please talk about how words make you a rogue, and not actions. Hey Lakerzz8, I'm planning on going rogue on you tomorow. Please preempt me and see what happens. [/quote] Is there a government member that will notify us you have left \m/? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 (edited) [quote name='pezstar' timestamp='1282093419' post='2420747'] You're also going to have to remove him from government, disavow his actions and allow us free reign to do what we please with his nation. You can't have a member of your government attacking us. It's not a rogue at that point. It's a war. [/quote] Except Merrie is not attacking you, he is defending his nation from STA agression. Merrie is not a rogue for defending his nation from STA attacks. In fact, with all this "war" talk, STA hitting an \m/ member is an act of war too. Two can play at that game. Edited August 18, 2010 by Caliph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 [quote name='Penkala' timestamp='1282092225' post='2420696'] But whatever. Pezstar has never been known for thinking anything through and considering the long-term consequences of her actions. Instead, she acts in a way that is 'morally correct', and it is my personal opinion that she should not be telling others what is 'morally correct' when her own home is not in order (you allow tech raiding... quite odd for a 'moralist' alliance.) If this was instead initialized by our extremely large, furry friend, then I'll be very disappointed in his decision. But I simply can't believe that to be the case. He has never been one to ignore the long-term consequences of his actions, at least not in my experience with him. [/quote] Thanks for showing, in one paragraph, that you have no idea what you are talking about. Pez was the messenger, not the writer of the message. That you consider the STA as a "morally correct" alliance and consider that to be a bad things is hilarious. The only thing we sought to achieve here was to get rid of the nonsensical "attacktorate". The STA allows raiding under very strict rules which includes banning raids on aligned nations. We had no personal stake in getting rid of the attacktorate insofar as opening up targets for ourselves as we are not permitted to raid old GGA nations anyway. \m/ can raid old GGA all they like provided every other raiding alliance can do so without seeking their permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroofTime55 Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 [quote name='Caliph' timestamp='1282093458' post='2420749'] It is an understanding that was reached when they re-treatied our mutual ally. [/quote]I doubt an unofficial 'understanding' is going to stop Polaris from defending their allies, but believe what you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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