With Friends Like These...

[feestaap1]

[quote name='monkeybum' date='13 February 2010 - 09:48 PM' timestamp='1266094130' post='2179661']
Just a few more points..

1. The guys surrendering from 57th are saying Veneke "played them". I'm not taking this as a confession as it clearly isn't. I'm just taking this as showing that members of his own alliance are not seeing this post to be so clearly unlike his style, as people are saying here.

2. Quite a few people who do know veneke are saying he does sometimes write like this.

3. AND again, this is the all crucial fact.. The first screenshot that Veneke gave us to prove one of our nations is a spy, has been tampered with. That much it seems everyone is in agreement with.
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First of all: I never told that Veneke played me! He's a nice person and it was nice to work with him but indeed I leave. I'm dutch so I want to leave to FOK if the GLOF answers my message where I ask permission. I asked it to more than 4 people and... no responce! SO please respond on it so that I can move over. Thank you

secondly: Let me introduce myself - I'm a computerprogrammer and I work for a well known bank in the Belgium. I can also work with photoshop like some of the people here know. I would like to say that I never saw a tekst like this on our forum's. I was staff sergeant so I could see the most of our forum. One of our allies tried to remake that screenshot and... he suceeded to remake it allmost completly. The screenshot from the ip's are manipulated but it could be a problem with the bit collours and pixelrates of your computer too. I know that Veneke had a crappy computer. Some people here know that too. And who doesn't say that the receiver didn't changed it after someone of us provided it. I'm not saying that GLOF manipulated the pictures and I don't blame GLOF for this. But it's a strange fact. To go further with the pixelrate and the bit collours: When these 2 are low you can get what's cald pixelsnow arround collours on collours where the pixels take over the colour from pixels that are close to them. To make it a bit more easy to understand: the pixels take over a colour beceause they can't choose wich side they choose: background or text so you get a few pixels arround tekst with different collours: voila the fog arround the text.

*I don't blame anyone in this post!!! This is just a post where I give some information about the things I studied for.

[uisge beatha]

[quote name='monkeybum' date='13 February 2010 - 03:00 PM' timestamp='1266094836' post='2179679']
THe whole I used a poor format line doesn't make any sense..because the "weirdness" in that picture seems to be focused, only on - the one important spot in that whole picture. Everything else there is normal.
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As we said as well seemed to do it because he was marked as hidden from the online users list. same thing happened here in that screen shot.
[url="http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll214/Veneke1/capture2.jpg"]http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll214/Veneke1/capture2.jpg[/url]
Demo seems to get bolded more than the other names. again we invite you around to our forums and we will take another screen shot to prove that it happens when he takes his screen shots. You guys also accepted that screen as proof, as ven said you guys could have investigated it further if you thought anything was wrong with it. Or approached the 57th gov at any point if you had issues over proof, i am sure the guys would have accepted it like they did the first time when you rejected the evidence.

[Hobgoblin70]

[quote name='The Flying Scotsman' date='13 February 2010 - 03:07 PM' timestamp='1266095235' post='2179687']


Yet I also have a very hard time believing that GLOF would invent these screenshots to give them a reason to attack 57th. GLOF is simply too good of an alliance, and I know people in GLOF who I dont think would stick around there if GLOF began stooping to such a level.



I cannot, however, bring myself to believe that GLOF WANTS to attack 57th, I cannot bring myself to believe that they invented this whole story, all these screenshots, so that they could cancel this treaty and attack 57th. Doing something like that would go against what I have learned and experienced of GLOF over my roughly two years of dealing with them and of knowing them and their members.


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These statements are not even in question. Someone from within the 57th is trying to manipulate GLOF. The only debate is if it is a 57th member with an axe to grind or the 57th government. To me the conclusion GLOF reached was consistent with the known facts.

Edited February 13, 2010 by Hobgoblin I

[The FSM]

[quote name='monkeybum' date='13 February 2010 - 04:00 PM' timestamp='1266094836' post='2179679']
THe whole I used a poor format line doesn't make any sense..because the "weirdness" in that picture seems to be focused, only on - the one important spot in that whole picture. Everything else there is normal.
[/quote]


Also monkey bum, no, just, no.

Im looking at the zoomed in image y'all linked to in the OP of the IP addresses, and there is distortion throughout, not just on the JackieChan part.

[feestaap1]

[quote name='monkeybum' date='13 February 2010 - 10:00 PM' timestamp='1266094836' post='2179679']
THe whole I used a poor format line doesn't make any sense..because the "weirdness" in that picture seems to be focused, only on - the one important spot in that whole picture. Everything else there is normal.
[/quote]

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=80702&pid=2179692&start=100&st=100#entry2179692

[monkeybum]

[quote name='feestaap1' date='13 February 2010 - 09:10 PM' timestamp='1266095414' post='2179692']
The screenshot from the ip's are manipulated but it could be a problem with the bit collours and pixelrates of your computer too. I know that Veneke had a crappy computer. Some people here know that too. And who doesn't say that the receiver didn't changed it after someone of us provided it. I'm not saying that GLOF manipulated the pictures and I don't blame GLOF for this.
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I'll just answer this part, because I don't understand the rest..the pics were given to us by veneke via his own photobucket account. If you want it i'm sending you the original via PM, so you can see for yourself.

[Gyouza]

[quote name='uisge beatha' date='13 February 2010 - 04:10 PM' timestamp='1266095439' post='2179693']
As we said as well seemed to do it because he was marked as hidden from the online users list. same thing happened here in that screen shot.
[url="http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll214/Veneke1/capture2.jpg"]http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll214/Veneke1/capture2.jpg[/url]
Demo seems to get bolded more than the other names. again we invite you around to our forums and we will take another screen shot to prove that it happens when he takes his screen shots. You guys also accepted that screen as proof, as ven said you guys could have investigated it further if you thought anything was wrong with it. Or approached the 57th gov at any point if you had issues over proof, i am sure the guys would have accepted it like they did the first time when you rejected the evidence.
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Looking at the 2 images with the IP's (the originally provided evidence and the capture2 provided above) I noticed when zooming in to the same degree on capture 2 the distortion was consistent through all the IP addresses and the coloring remains the same all the way through. With the original with JackieChan on it there is no distortion above or below their IP like there is for the rest and the numbers are a sharper black then even the brackets and asterisk on the same line. You can see this VERY clearly if you look at the blurring around JackieChans line and you will see the brackets are blurry all the way up whereas the areas above and below the number are not.

This is important because ON EVERY OTHER LINE the blurriness is consistent all the way across the line, it does not change midway though the line or its blurry on one part and not the other. On the image that was supposedly jackieChan's IP, you will notice that the top of the bracket is blurred whereas right next to it, above or below the IP address, it is suddenly clear. it is not like this ON ANY OTHER PART OF THE IMAGE OR ON ANY OTHER LINE- i.e. Veneke, Holloweyes & Desertson- blurry all the way across in the same way.



Edited: To add some additional info

To clarify, by receiving the new image, in which all names are consistent all the way across the line (blurriness level is consistent across the row, does not change midway through etc) it only strengthens my suspicions that the line in question was tampered with, as even with the two images, IT IS STILL THE ONLY ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT. And this can be caused when tampered with because images become more blurred upon zoom in when they are saved multiple times. So a portion edited in an image will appear newer (and therefore less blurry on zoom) then the portions of the image that are not tampered with and original. This has already been pointed out, obviously, but I am going to be as clear as possible so that it is all laid out.

Edited February 13, 2010 by Gyouza

[Golan 1st]

Good luck, Masons
Give them hell

[feestaap1]

[quote name='monkeybum' date='13 February 2010 - 10:21 PM' timestamp='1266096092' post='2179714']
I'll just answer this part, because I don't understand the rest..the pics were given to us by veneke via his own photobucket account. If you want it i'm sending you the original via PM, so you can see for yourself.
[/quote]

I believe you but you have to understand the other parts I wrote to understand what could be happened. It was all just my opinion

[uisge beatha]

[quote name='Gyouza' date='13 February 2010 - 03:38 PM' timestamp='1266097133' post='2179739']
Looking at the 2 images with the IP's (the originally provided evidence and the capture2 provided above) I noticed when zooming in to the same degree on capture 2 the distortion was consistent through all the IP addresses and the coloring remains the same all the way through. With the original with JackieChan on it there is no distortion above or below their IP like there is for the rest and the numbers are a sharper black then even the brackets and asterisk on the same line. You can see this VERY clearly if you look at the blurring around JackieChans line and you will see the brackets are blurry all the way up whereas the areas above and below the number are not.

This is important because ON EVERY OTHER LINE the blurriness is consistent all the way across the line, it does not change midway though the line or its blurry on one part and not the other. On the image that was supposedly jackieChan's IP, you will notice that the top of the bracket is blurred whereas right next to it, above or below the IP address, it is suddenly clear. it is not like this ON ANY OTHER PART OF THE IMAGE OR ON ANY OTHER LINE- i.e. Veneke, Holloweyes & Desertson- blurry all the way across in the same way.
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Ok could you look at the one that i posted the link to, now zoom in on Ven. It does the exact same thing there that you just said.

[Gyouza]

I can see the distortion is basically the same but the color is still the same as the rest of the IP's.

[uisge beatha]

[quote name='Gyouza' date='13 February 2010 - 03:54 PM' timestamp='1266098062' post='2179763']
I can see the distortion is basically the same but the color is still the same as the rest of the IP's.
[/quote]

But Demolisher 2 has the same mask as Dunnowhat, yet the colours appear different.

[Patton 57th]

Well. This is sad. Very sad. There is no way the 57th would betray it's allies. I'm staying with the 57th. Surrender is not an option for me. Especially since this whole thing is pointless. why would we plot against you guys! Especially during a war. I hate politics... We are the ones who have been betrayed. I hope this can be worked out. I don't care what is said about me... Call me a retard. I won't care. I won't listen.

- Patton of the 57th

[Barnaby von Farter]

It is my hope that GLOF and 57th are able to agree to a cease-fire while this all gets sorted out...something that, since you shared a pretty high-level treaty, should have been done before this announcement was made. Is it possible to take a step back and work through this and repair a friendship, or is the damage between these alliances already done?

[JTKirk]

[quote] Posted Today, 04:33 PM
Well. This is sad. Very sad. There is no way the 57th would betray it's allies. I'm staying with the 57th. Surrender is not an option for me. Especially since this whole thing is pointless. why would we plot against you guys! Especially during a war. I hate politics... We are the ones who have been betrayed. I hope this can be worked out. I don't care what is said about me... [b]Call me a retard.[/b] I won't care. I won't listen.

- Patton of the 57th [/quote]


Retard!

Best of luck man.

Edited February 13, 2010 by JTKirk

[evilsquirrel]

This will show how the shots shown by GLOF are clear fakes. The spacing between the posts and the dotted lines are wrong, ven's typing style is also wrong.Evidence that the screen shots shown in the GLOF declaration of war are fakes:
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5218/57threal3.jpg
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9475/57threal2.jpg
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6853/ventypingstyle.jpg

[SWAT128]

Is GLOF willing to give up the name of the person that gave them the screen shot of Veneke's post?

[Earogema]

Now this is what I like to see. A solid CB with no paranoia. Also, screenshot proof.

Shame it has to be against an ally.

Edited February 13, 2010 by Earogema

[Voodoo Nova]

[quote name='evilsquirrel' date='13 February 2010 - 06:03 PM' timestamp='1266102227' post='2179858']
This will show how the shots shown by GLOF are clear fakes. The spacing between the posts and the dotted lines are wrong, ven's typing style is also wrong.Evidence that the screen shots shown in the GLOF declaration of war are fakes:
[url="http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5218/57threal3.jpg"]http://img199.images...8/57threal3.jpg[/url]
[url="http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9475/57threal2.jpg"]http://img687.images...5/57threal2.jpg[/url]
[url="http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6853/ventypingstyle.jpg"]http://img24.imagesh...typingstyle.jpg[/url]
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[s]Do you have any evidence that compares Veneke's posts only? If you're going to use pictures as evidence, at least do it right.[/s] Forget I said this.

Edited February 13, 2010 by Voodoo Nova

[Earogema]

[quote name='evilsquirrel' date='13 February 2010 - 05:03 PM' timestamp='1266102227' post='2179858']
This will show how the shots shown by GLOF are clear fakes. The spacing between the posts and the dotted lines are wrong, ven's typing style is also wrong.Evidence that the screen shots shown in the GLOF declaration of war are fakes:
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5218/57threal3.jpg
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9475/57threal2.jpg
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6853/ventypingstyle.jpg
[/quote]
I tried registering to check this, however, I require authorization before my account is active . It seems to me that images have more spacing while regular posts have less spacing. If somebody there would like to just post a smiley on those boards and them some text to confirm this, we'd have all the proof we need.

However, Ven's own spacing in an introductory topic hardly proves anything. You'll need more source material than that.

[California King]

[quote name='Earogema' date='13 February 2010 - 11:23 PM' timestamp='1266103396' post='2179877']
I tried registering to check this, however, I require authorization before my account is active . It seems to me that images have more spacing while regular posts have less spacing. If somebody there would like to just post a smiley on those boards and them some text to confirm this, we'd have all the proof we need.

However, Ven's own spacing in an introductory topic hardly proves anything. You'll need more source material than that.
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There's a space after every post. [url="http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll74/foxy_lady69/57space.png"]Link to random thread.[/url]

[NeoGaiden]

UMMM.... For anyone that is interested, I write PHP and Script constantly on computers, and i can tell you that whoever has investigated the issue for GLOF is a moron, or just doesnt know anything about script edits or html and php edits. For starters there is no proof that the forum screenshot is a real or fake, i can make one of those in 5 mins and it will look real for all intensive purposes. GLOF is making a HUGH mistake in that mannor, as well as the pix issue with the IP address, you have declared war on the 57th prematurely and I can take screenshots or your forum with porn immages and your leader saying all kinds of things.....NEVER USE A SCREEN SHOT OF ANYTHING AS PROOF. If you want any advice on getting down to the truth whether the 57th did lie or not please PM me in the game. Thanks.....Good luck all involved.

[Voodoo Nova]

[quote name='NeoGaiden' date='13 February 2010 - 06:42 PM' timestamp='1266104579' post='2179897']
UMMM.... For anyone that is interested, I write PHP and Script constantly on computers, and i can tell you that whoever has investigated the issue for GLOF is a moron, or just doesnt know anything about script edits or html and php edits. For starters there is no proof that the forum screenshot is a real or fake, i can make one of those in 5 mins and it will look real for all intensive purposes. GLOF is making a HUGH mistake in that mannor, as well as the pix issue with the IP address, you have declared war on the 57th prematurely and I can take screenshots or your forum with porn immages and your leader saying all kinds of things.....NEVER USE A SCREEN SHOT OF ANYTHING AS PROOF. If you want any advice on getting down to the truth whether the 57th did lie or not please PM me in the game. Thanks.....Good luck all involved.
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Why should anyone trust what you have to say on this matter?

[evilsquirrel]

[quote name='Earogema' date='13 February 2010 - 03:23 PM' timestamp='1266103396' post='2179877']
I tried registering to check this, however, I require authorization before my account is active . It seems to me that images have more spacing while regular posts have less spacing. If somebody there would like to just post a smiley on those boards and them some text to confirm this, we'd have all the proof we need.

However, Ven's own spacing in an introductory topic hardly proves anything. You'll need more source material than that.
[/quote]


Ven's screen shots, for those who obviously didnt get it, was to prove the vast difference in typing style. In other words, VEN DID NOT TYPE THAT RUBBISH THAT GLOF POSTED! Also, I have just created a new topic and taken a screen shot of it to show the spacing:
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9585/spacingtest.jpg

Edited February 13, 2010 by evilsquirrel

[Earogema]

[quote name='California King' date='13 February 2010 - 05:39 PM' timestamp='1266104368' post='2179892']
There's a space after every post. [url="http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll74/foxy_lady69/57space.png"]Link to random thread.[/url]
[/quote]
Well, well. I wonder what that means.