Penedono Posted February 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 [quote name='DesertSon' date='13 February 2010 - 12:32 AM' timestamp='1266042755' post='2178816'] This is the most ridiculous accusation I have ever heard! Futhermore, to hear it here first, you didn't even come to anyone in gov at all Pen?! Had you come to me I would have given you a full mask to our forums immediately, without hesitation, to prove our innocence in this outrage. There only two things sadder to see this evening, first is your belief that this could possibly be true and second that we must still have descenders with our own ranks who would stoop to this level to harm those that have brought them into brotherhood and friendship. [/quote] Spent hours this evening looking for a member of the 57th's government. I don't like this any more than anyone else would. But even without the screencap of Ven's post, the screenshots he gave me to convince me Iyeman was a spy are absolute forgeries. I have no interest in seeing innocent members of the 57th burn for the mistakes of their leaders and misguided compatriots. Individual surrender terms are outlined in the OP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke of Cool Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 [quote name='DesertSon' date='13 February 2010 - 12:32 AM' timestamp='1266042755' post='2178816'] This is the most ridiculous accusation I have ever heard! Futhermore, to hear it here first, you didn't even come to anyone in gov at all Pen?! Had you come to me I would have given you a full mask to our forums immediately, without hesitation, to prove our innocence in this outrage. There only two things sadder to see this evening, first is your belief that this could possibly be true and second that we must still have descenders with our own ranks who would stoop to this level to harm those that have brought them into brotherhood and friendship. [/quote] I know that this is damage control, perfectly understandable. The way these screenshots were gone over with a fine tooth comb left no room for doubt. It's a damned shame that petty anger and foolishness on the part of those who find themselves in leadership roles within your alliance could stoop as low as a classless schoolyard job as this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solarius4 Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 It'll have to be a bloody good explanation...even the idea of something like this happening absolutely disgusts me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoroshia Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 (edited) The nation of Theoroshia hereby surrenders to GLOF. Edited February 13, 2010 by Theoroshia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Curzon Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Sorry to see this. Being stabbed in the back by a friend is always a huge blow. TORN is willing help our OUT brothers in whatever capacity you guys need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairna Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Whoever faked these screenshots obviously doesn't know Ven's style of posting very well. Re: RPagf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWConner Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Definitely a sad state of affairs. As I'm not privy to the details involved, I won't comment directly to anyone's innocence or guilt. 57th Overlanders have been allies of VA since their inception, since they were their previous embodiment, and to hear the accusations of espionage against them are definitely disheartening. I hope to be in contact with my friends soon to hopefully get some answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Moon Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 This is deeply troubling. Whatever the result I hope some more clarity can be brought to exactly what's going on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother in arms Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Reading the Veneke screenshot is not giving me a migraine. QED: These must be faked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoppistan Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Good luck, GLoF. A sad turn of events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poyplemonkeys Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 It seems foolhardy to declare war on someone you held an MDoAP with 2 seconds before without even speaking to their government. Surely this wasn't so urgent, especially in the middle of the Bipolar War, that you could only wait 2 hours for their government before giving up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razgriz24 Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Even though they are our current enemy, it doesn't seem like their governments style, at least from the dialog we have had with them. Images are easy to fake, but I see no immediate flaws in these ones... Hope this can be sorted out rationally, we don't want to share our targets Good luck to both parties in any case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigwoody Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 While it is certainly a coincidental way to get to this point, it is good to be fighting alongside our friends in GLOF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesasquatch Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 I still can't believe this is happening, has happened. I'm sorry to all of those in the 57th who must now bare the consequences of the actions of their leadership. I hope this comes to a swift and relatively painless conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tito716 Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Is this a new war? A new front? A new side? How long until Polar declares war on one OR both of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PakAttack Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 I wish you all the best of luck. Hit them hard GLOF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythicknight Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Interesting... Best of luck mates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexd Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 [quoteThe nation of Theoroshia hereby surrenders to GLOF./quote] Aye, peace offered, sorry you must pay for your leader's mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFish Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 I can't really fault your motivations, but I really wish you guys used a bit more diplomacy, especially considering the current world situation. Just because you're justified doesn't mean it doesn't activate defensive agreements; I really hope peace can be reached before this spirals out of control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raasaa Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 [quote name='NoFish' date='13 February 2010 - 04:31 AM' timestamp='1266053513' post='2179029'] I can't really fault your motivations, but I really wish you guys used a bit more diplomacy, especially considering the current world situation. Just because you're justified doesn't mean it doesn't activate defensive agreements; I really hope peace can be reached before this spirals out of control. [/quote] activate defensive agreements ?? It believe that 57th Overlanders initiated the aggression here, against a member of GLOF, by providing fake screen shots to get him expelled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vespassianus Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Good luck GLOF, slap the bad boys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelchael Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Sorry, but the screenshots Veneke provided to GLOF are as fake as can be, and they were provided directly. I'm sure GOD would be the first to say "let's just talk this one out" if fake screenshots were used to expel and then attack one of your members. These aren't just obvious forgeries, they're poorly done forgeries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uisge beatha Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 WTH, Ven does not even type like that. this is not even a post on our forums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
President S O Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Best of luck GLOF. Give 'em all you have. o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obscurus Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 The posts that Veneke provided to us to make us expel a former member of 57th from the Lodge are fakes. And everyone with a minimum of image-editing skills can ascertain this (and everyone can, as they are publically located at http://www.square-n-compass.net/forum/showthread.php?6291-Imagery-referenced-in-the-Lodge-s-DoW-on-the-57th-Overlanders&p=78459#post78459). And this is a [b]FACT[/b] Even if the rest was too (and remember, it doesn't [u]look[/u] like a fake), still the first two were, undoubtably. So, we'd like to hear what Veneke has to say about [u]that[/u], which is the CB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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