Sandwich Controversy Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Recently, I had a discussion with a few friends of mine on IRC about how prevalent espionage on Bob [i]really[/i] is. I decided it might be interesting if we have an anonymous poll where people can admit it without any consequences, purely because I thought it might be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epik High Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Except the poll isn't anonymous. Unless that was the joke. If so, lol funny etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Controversy Posted February 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Epik High' date='09 February 2010 - 04:55 PM' timestamp='1265752515' post='2171220'] Except the poll isn't anonymous. Unless that was the joke. If so, lol funny etc. [/quote] I had no idea that message would be there, dammit. THREAD RUINED Still, this would be an interesting topic even as a serious, anonymous thread. Edited February 9, 2010 by Sandwich Controversy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcalkin Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 I've had people anonymously send me !@#$ from time to time when I was a gov member in Umbrella, but hardly ever was it worth anything or the least bit accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen Fool Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 So much potential wasted due to an inopportune warning. So very, very much potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaone Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 (edited) The option I would choose isn't available. I'll explain: Over the years I've gathered quite a lot of diplomatic masks at various alliances around the cyberverse. So when leaving FOK for a temporary stint in STA, it never occurred to me to ask everywhere to de-mask me. After a month or so I became interested in an old thread I and some other FOKkers discussed months prior in the Gremlins embassy. So I logged in there and checked the thread. It wasn't really shocking, but it could have if FOK posted an important notification to their allies in there. Edited February 9, 2010 by thaone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopherbashi Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 [quote]This is a public poll. Other members will be able to see which options you chose[/quote] Nice. I have had people give me information unsolicited. Such as "we're thinking of dropping so-and-so treaty". I wouldn't exactly call that spying; the definition of which I'm sure we could argue about for a good week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epik High Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Sandwich Controversy' date='09 February 2010 - 03:56 PM' timestamp='1265752571' post='2171222'] I had no idea that message would be there, dammit. THREAD RUINED [/quote] Another problem, apparently, is that you can delete your vote--I just null voted to see the results, and found that you can just delete and revote. Voted anyways because I don't care if it's public or not! Edited February 9, 2010 by Epik High Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kortal Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Anyone who sees the message and doesn't vote is clearly a spy, and the CN boards are their accomplice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilien Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Information isn't garnered simply by spying. Any diplomat can function just as effectively as a well placed spy so long as they know the right people and have a reputation for being tight lipped. I haven't kept up with that scene for awhile, so I really have no idea how prevalent spying is these days. That said, I've sent people into other alliances in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threefingeredguy Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 I do not spy because I feel it is unethical and that winning at a cost to your ethical integrity is not worth it. I've also had lots of people try to pump me for information (quite obviously too, though they thought they were being sneaky. Man I wish I could call them out itt oh well) and that disgusts me. If you want to know something, ask, don't be sneaky about it. If asking doesn't work, you have the choice to degrade yourself and your alliance or to simply operate in the dark and make smart decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Voted anyway because I'm cool like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen Fool Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Epik High' date='09 February 2010 - 04:58 PM' timestamp='1265752691' post='2171232'] Another problem, apparently, is that you can delete your vote--I just null voted to see the results, and found that you can just delete and revote. [/quote]Dude. Stop taking after [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oTl4rabDoI&feature=related]Buzz Killington[/url] Edited February 9, 2010 by Fallen_Fool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperator G4G Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 I'm a spy. Please don't kill me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenzilla Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Yes, I have personally gone into an alliance for the purpose of undermining them. Yes, I have sent an agent into another alliance for the above purpose. I have had spies give me information unsolicited. Spies have come to me unsolicited, and I have asked them for additional information. All of these apply to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coursca Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 [quote name='Fallen_Fool' date='09 February 2010 - 05:01 PM' timestamp='1265752893' post='2171242'] Dude. Stop taking after [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oTl4rabDoI&feature=related]Buzz Killington[/url] [/quote] Fallen Fool, you're a bigger buzzkill than Buzz Killington. Also, voted null. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamemaster1 Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 I have spied on an alliance multiple times: Sparta. I managed to change several members' DefCon to 5 and gather information. Although the mission was a success my spies were caught, 20 spies were killed, and my identity had been publicly revealed. Oh wait...did I talk about the wrong kind of spying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Great idea for a thread. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epik High Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 [quote name='Fallen_Fool' date='09 February 2010 - 04:01 PM' timestamp='1265752893' post='2171242'] Dude. Stop taking after [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oTl4rabDoI&feature=related]Buzz Killington[/url] [/quote] There was no "buzz" for me to "kill" in the first place, as this thread failed from the otuset. Thanks to yours truly. Now, who here likes a good story about a bridge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 I've had people tell me all sort of rubbish, who knows what's true and to be honest, who cares. You don't even really need spies, OpSec is a joke and secrets don't remain so for very long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotillion Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Yes, I have personally gone into an alliance for the purpose of undermining them. amidoinitrite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperbad Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 [quote name='thaone' date='09 February 2010 - 04:57 PM' timestamp='1265752657' post='2171229'] The option I would choose isn't available. I'll explain: Over the years I've gathered quite a lot of diplomatic masks at various alliances around the cyberverse. So when leaving FOK for a temporary stint in STA, it never occurred to me to ask everywhere to de-mask me. After a month or so I became interested in an old thread I and some other FOKkers discussed months prior in the Gremlins embassy. So I logged in there and checked the thread. It wasn't really shocking, but it could have if FOK posted an important notification to their allies in there. [/quote] Similar; I could have though I didn't care enough and had/have no reason to. I stopped playing back in spring/summer of 2007 and when I returned in spring 2009 I found out I was still masked as a diplomat on some forums. Needless to say I laughed, [i]hard[/i]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterShadow Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 (edited) I've had "We think you are going to be attacked", and I asked why Edited February 9, 2010 by MisterShadow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaone Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 [quote name='Hyperbad' date='09 February 2010 - 11:36 PM' timestamp='1265754981' post='2171305'] Similar; I could have though I didn't care enough and had/have no reason to. I stopped playing back in spring/summer of 2007 and when I returned in spring 2009 I found out I was still masked as a diplomat on some forums. Needless to say I laughed, [i]hard[/i]. [/quote] I actually just realize that the above story can be evened out with my honesty. When FOK left Q, all masks of FOK members where deleted, but somebody messed up and I kept my leadership mask. I was so honest to tell them when I noticed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonewall Jaxon Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Everyone already knows I'm a spy, so why bother? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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