AirMe Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 (edited) Pessimistic, optimistic, not relevant.I think its only rational. Define "natural growth of global war"? But anyway, its not that simple and you are looking at a symptom. This didn't blow up for many reasons, but main being that it was too even to call as well as nobody really wanted it to go the way it did-- even. So now they are buying time. I dunno what do they expect will so radically change the next time around. About p.m. strategy--- there is a strength unbalance in this game that come to be with one small group of players enacting a rational strategy of minimal warfare and maximal nation building. While the rest of the game, played their game, they were in their own movie. So now, we end up with comical situations were sides want to fight but cant really as its unbalanced. This also will not change anytime soon. Natural progression of a global war, at least here, is the snowball effect. If you stop the snowball from rolling down hill, it ultimately stops. The more time you hold off the fighting, the rage subsides and cooler heads prevail. I am not going to lie, I was pushing for the peace strategy but at the same time I am disappointed a bit that it worked. Especially since I know behind closed doors some of your leaders are licking their chops. (I saw the logs.) I think what ever major war develops out of this situation will be more even than this fight would have been. As for the numbers, with the last run of the numbers, our side had a 50 Mill NS advantage and 50k nukes. So it wasn't as even as the CC would have you believe. But then again, they were the ones trying to make it about something other than TPF. EDIT2: We also fail to take into account that there were some major OOC issues that actually lead to the start of this war as well. Edited January 3, 2010 by AirMe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branimir Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Natural progression of a global war, at least here, is the snowball effect. P.M. didn't stop any snowballing. That is my opinion. Other reasons for that, more basic then p.m. strategy. As for the numbers, with the last run of the numbers, our side had a 50 Mill NS advantage and 50k nukes. So it wasn't as even as the CC would have you believe. But then again, they were the ones trying to make it about something other than TPF. I saw some numbers too. They were equal. They didn't include NpO or MHA/Gre as they couldn't be clearly called. You know something I dont? 111,404,141 vs. 108,946,892 in NS terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Some-Guy Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 ...TOP and friends will consolidate by keeping to themselves... I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and suggest that consolidation isn't on TOP's agenda for the foreseeable future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian LaCroix Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Because asshattery hasn't been standard operating procedure for all of recorded history, right? There are no good guys, and no side is righteous, it's just a matter of who fools the masses into thinking they are so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMe Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 P.M. didn't stop any snowballing. That is my opinion. Other reasons for that, more basic then p.m. strategy. I saw some numbers too. They were equal. They didn't include NpO or MHA/Gre as they couldn't be clearly called. You know something I dont? 111,404,141 vs. 108,946,892 in NS terms. It did stop snowballing. No in-game wars really for 5 days save for TPF. As for my numbers *REDACTED BECAUSE OF OPSEC* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branimir Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 (edited) It did stop snowballing. No in-game wars really for 5 days save for TPF. I think one thing was the season-- its really not convenient for the game. It made things go slower and momentum got lost. Then of course, while people politically maneuvered, it ended up in a stalemate. Nobody wanted to blow each other in it at this moment. People would hit people and come out of p.m., if any side gathered enough of an edge and issued the order. As for my numbers *REDACTED BECAUSE OF OPSEC* Really now . Thats telling on its own. So why the white peace then, matey? That makes it that much fail. Edited January 3, 2010 by Branimir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empirica Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 I think the PM strategy bought some time, which is what our opposing side wanted and/or needed. I don't know whether it actually prevented the war from escalating so much as it delayed it so much that peace was found. I'm sure I'm drawing a fine line here. Either way, I want my wasted time from the past 7-10 days back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobalt Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Very well done, CN Alliances. You have officially permitted bad faith, fake CB's, dogpiles and other acts by the black hats to succeed. You had the chance to make the world a better place and you fluffed it. White peace? Why? Not all fish deserve to be put back in the pond. Some fish deserve the brick in the face. Terrible day. Hang your heads in shame. that is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMe Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 I think one thing was the season-- its really not convenient for the game. It made things go slower and momentum got lost.Then of course, while people politically maneuvered, it ended up in a stalemate. Nobody wanted to blow each other in it at this moment. People would hit people out of p.m. if any side gathered enough of an edge. Really now . Thats telling on its own. So why the white peace then, matey? That makes it that much fail. The season definitely played into it. As for my redacted statement, I don't want to cause trouble for anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion321 Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 CN is largely a game of self-interest, and all the potential combatants realised that it wouldn't be in their interest to turn this into a global war. It was close enough that effectively everybody involved would lose. mutual destruction is fun though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
der_ko Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 There never will be a war in CN without one side being already a clear winner before even the first shoot is fired. Great War 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ModusOperandi Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Change the color of your hat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellAngel Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 You have now permanently burned in my mind the image of hitting a fish in the face with a brick. You're a terrible person for that and thank you. Oh god it never stops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Brendan Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 P.M. didn't stop any snowballing. That is my opinion. Other reasons for that, more basic then p.m. strategy. I saw some numbers too. They were equal. They didn't include NpO or MHA/Gre as they couldn't be clearly called. You know something I dont? 111,404,141 vs. 108,946,892 in NS terms. Well with the war averted I don't mind sharing my own numbers, I'm curious who you excluded to get such fair sides. I've got: SuperGrievances Nations over 85K: 288 Nations over 63K: 798 Nation Strength: 171,607,292 Total Nations: 5940 Nukes: 40910 Alliances: 41 Coincidence Coalition Nations over 85K: 245 Nations over 63K: 691 Nation Strength: 121,713,884 Total Nations: 4701 Nukes: 27726 Alliances: 30 That's with Polar, MHA and Umbrella sitting out. Even if I remove Gremlins it's still pretty skewed in SG's favor. Sides I used: Sparta ODN Fark MK VE RoK GATO CSN Athens RIA STA NV R&R NoR Int GLOF PC TTK Resistance GOD GR Vanguard LoSS IAA MA Silence Genesis Dark Templar FoB World Federation iFOK FCO \m/ LOST Asgaard Carpe Diem 1TF The Brigade Dark Fist TGE vs TOP IRON TOOL Legion UPN MCXA MASH NADC WAPA Invicta NSO NEW NATO TSO TFD FEAR Argent Valhalla GDA GGA BAPS Wolfpack UCN TPF VA ML Echelon TSI Menotah DAWN Don't get offended if you feel I placed you on the wrong side. I can't predict everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymenbreach Posted January 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 that is all. Well, obviously. Did the little ball get away from you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymenbreach Posted January 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 The day hymenbreach whines to me about !@#$ CB's and #$%hattery is the day I die laughing.In other words, oh, the irony. What? Who? Why? If you are not a reroll, then you are a moron. Some mixture of the two is also possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorponok Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Not all fish deserve to be put back in the pond. Some fish deserve the brick in the face. That is honestly the best statement anyone has said in a very very long time. May justice be served! o7 Hymenbreach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evitressa Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 (edited) What?Who? Why? If you are not a reroll, then you are a moron. Some mixture of the two is also possible. If I recall correctly, during the NoCB war Legion and MOON attacked some Orange or Black alliance pre-emptively then gave it so much in reps that it disbanded. I think that covers both the !@#$ CB and the $%^hattery, mirite? EDIT: This was also at a time where you, once again IIRC, had some sort of power in Legion. Edited January 3, 2010 by Evitressa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedj Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 While this one LOOKS lopsided, some of those Citadel alliances whove made it an art to avoid war wouldve been put to the test here and either shut up when they got their $@! kicked or shown that they really can fight either way, someone lost alot of PR out of all this and im not sure TPF had any worth losing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymenbreach Posted January 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 If I recall correctly, during the NoCB war Legion and MOON attacked some Orange or Black alliance pre-emptively then gave it so much in reps that it disbanded. I think that covers both the !@#$ CB and the $%^hattery, mirite? EDIT: This was also at a time where you, once again IIRC, had some sort of power in Legion. I was Major Government in Legion for less than 24 hours when that war started and I admit i made some FA mistakes from inexperience. Nor would what you described happened if I had some sort of say. But the Legion, for all her flaws, always had her heart in the right place, even if, on occasion, her brain sometimes went a-wander. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigrun Vapneir Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Some people deserve to die. That's just unconscious knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMe Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 While this one LOOKS lopsided, some of those Citadel alliances whove made it an art to avoid war wouldve been put to the test here and either shut up when they got their $@! kicked or shown that they really can fighteither way, someone lost alot of PR out of all this and im not sure TPF had any worth losing TPF came out better in this than they did going in. Maybe I am just in the minority on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strykewolf Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 Very well done, CN Alliances. You have officially permitted bad faith, fake CB's, dogpiles and other acts by the black hats to succeed. You had the chance to make the world a better place and you fluffed it. White peace? Why? Not all fish deserve to be put back in the pond. Some fish deserve the brick in the face. Terrible day. Hang your heads in shame. Hmmmm? More or less everyone. Yep. That time of the month... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lusitan Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 That's with Polar, MHA and Umbrella sitting out. Even if I remove Gremlins it's still pretty skewed in SG's favor.Sides I used: Sparta ODN Fark MK VE RoK GATO CSN Athens RIA STA NV R&R NoR Int GLOF PC TTK Resistance GOD GR Vanguard LoSS IAA MA Silence Genesis Dark Templar FoB World Federation iFOK FCO \m/ LOST Asgaard Carpe Diem 1TF The Brigade Dark Fist TGE vs TOP IRON TOOL Legion UPN MCXA MASH NADC WAPA Invicta NSO NEW NATO TSO TFD FEAR Argent Valhalla GDA GGA BAPS Wolfpack UCN TPF VA ML Echelon TSI Menotah DAWN Don't get offended if you feel I placed you on the wrong side. I can't predict everything. Let's just say you made that list with quite a bit of optimism, specially the Super Complaints side and you still missed out some more or less relevant alliances. However, your numbers don't leave a bright image of the Super Complaints - to have such an ensured number superiority and being asking around for peace mode than 3 times.. unless it wasn't ensured at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilsquirrel Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 (edited) I agree with this topic. The issue of war is taken way to lightly and treaties seem to mean little as well. Edited January 5, 2010 by evilsquirrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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