Here's how it is...

[Haflinger]

That led to the later problems that resulted in the Bubblegum b.s. Everyone involved in that mess (and yes I mean everyone) learned valuable lessons that they took with them. Unfortunately they paid a heavy price to learn them.

Not everyone involved in that mess paid a heavy price; all of the people in Browncoats did, but there were others who pretty much got off scot-free.

[Asriel Belacqua]

I read that whole post in [OOC]Nathan Fillion's[/OOC] voice.

That is just epic.

large quote that would stretch the room, no offense, it was well written and thought out.

While I do respect your position on the matter, Lord Panda, I must say I disagree. The way I see it is that Browncoats spirit never died. Most of what makes an alliance is the community, the spirit. When I approached the few people I did, most were (with the exception of Mechanus, and Veneke) quite delighted to hear that I was going to do this, and the ones that are currently flying the flag of the Browncoats, were also quite enthused, as they did not feel that the spirit died either.

[OOC]Like Mal, and Zoe, even though the I.F. died, the spirit lived on, and they called themselves browncoats. If they saw their chance to fight the good fight once more, they would take it. So too, did I.[/ooc]

Though we already discussed this via IRC.

Well I just want to point one thing out real quick. I had scoped out this target for over a week ago. I was waiting for one of my other raids to expire which it did last night at update. I saw that they had disbanded via the Cyber Wiki and there was no other updated info.

So when I logged on, I raided and offered peace. Later I was directed here and saw this DOE.

Just so you all know, I did not see this first and see an opportunity to raid before the announcement of Protection. I would never see that someone had a protectorate in the works and risk open war for PC.

Hopefully peace will be accepted soon. Thanks.

I hope peace will be accepted soon also. I will tell SUNB about this and get it straightened out with everyone. Thanks for voicing that.

Hey, I was there talking to you when you got the idea to re-form, and you didn't even tell me you were going to DoE! Argh....

Welcome back, BC, I hope you do well and prosper.

I wanted it to be a surprise.

I have to say I was a bit surprised when Asriel came to me stating his wish to reform Browncoats. I did not praise his idea nor did I degrade it. I merely said "Good luck I guess". How does one react when the alliance that brought them up on Planet Bob and taught them the ropes dies only to be brought back for whatever reasons? I can't say that I was enthused as I am of the firm belief that when something dies you let it rest in peace and show it the respect it deserves. I'm also not quite sure of the reasons for Asriel wanting to do this, but if you are looking for that 'feeling' that existed once in BC, it's no longer there nor will you ever recapture it.

I will say that I'm curious as to your choice of Nintenderek being placed into government after his role in the Bubblegum War and his attempts to hide the going-ons from the general membership along with the allies of BC during the farce war.

As for my people posting here, it is to be expected. The 57th houses a sizable portion of ex-BC members, some of which lived the nightmare that was the Bubblegum War. Whether or not they choose to voice elation or disgust is their choice. We were/are Browncoats and for many of us it was our first home. For those not of the Browncoats ilk that wish to voice their opinions, I see no bother in this either. They have opinions in regards to history as well as everyone else does. The only difference is that they weren't there to experience the ups and downs of what BC went through.

I cannot wish luck to Browncoats as I do not agree with this reformation and see it as an act of disrespect. But I will say I hope that you find whatever it is you are looking for, Asriel, and that you aren't disappointed if what you wanted to find is no longer there.

I understand that it is hard for many to see why I reformed this alliance, especially you and Veneke. I appreciate, however, the lack of negative criticism on your part mech. Browncoats may never be the same as it was, and that's not what I expect. I expect it to be an alliance who still values independence though, and the Browncoat way.

Nintenderek has always been a friend, and, while I know of his involvement in the Bubblegum Crisis (or really, since he didn't do anything other than expose the plot to the world, LACK of involvement), I am a man of second chances, just as all Browncoats will be men and women of second chances. The Bubblegum Crisis happened long ago, and I feel that everyone involved has learned from that, and has grown from that. Nintenderek though, Bubblegum Crisis aside, has been a good friend to me throughout the years, and has been extremely helpful. I would feel horrible if I did not give him, of all people, at least one second chance.

I fully expected the 57th to show their support or disgust for this alliance, as it was their home, for many, at one point, just as it was mine and I would show my feelings in such a thread if I was in their position. I wish you and my brothers in the 57th the best of luck in the future, and hopefully those who have grown to dislike this, will come to like us as a group, just as I like the 57th as a whole. Again, I wish you all the best of luck in your future endeavors.

As for you, Mechanus, I know you do not agree, but I thank you for your kind friendship, and again, wish you the best of luck in all your future endeavors.

Edited September 2, 2009 by Asriel Belacqua

[Kevanovia]

I liked you guys. Glad your back.

[Shakyr]

Interesting ... hope things go better this time around.

[Style #386]

I am extremely happy to see this.

[Owned-You]

Heh, this is a bit ironic in regards too something that isn't privy to public discussion. (Insider Between Vidians)

Good Luck this time around I suppose.

[Tron Paul]

Gah, I'm so sick of alliance reformations.

Please don't explain to me why you're entitled to reform Browncoats because you held a position of power [if you even held a position of power] in Browncoats. It would be much more useful if you explained why you could not think of any other themes for a new alliance.

[Asriel Belacqua]

Gah, I'm so sick of alliance reformations.

Please don't explain to me why you're entitled to reform Browncoats because you held a position of power [if you even held a position of power] in Browncoats. It would be much more useful if you explained why you could not think of any other themes for a new alliance.

I was an original founder and was in government for several terms. There is the answer to the "If you held a position of power" question. As for the rest of it?

I could think of other themes for a "new" alliance. This wasn't supposed to be a new alliance. This was supposed to be an "improved version of something old." I could think of all sorts of new themes for alliances though, if someone wishes to create a new one.

Anyway, thanks for the constructive criticism Tron Paul, best of luck to you and yours.

[Veneke]

Browncoats died quite a bit back, and it had a long, lingering and painful death. I should know, I was there. The alliance that was Browncoats may not have been the largest alliance out there, nor the most competent. In fact, it would probably be fair to say that it was founded by inactives, staffed by amateurs and led by exiles, and had a very love-hate relationship with most of Bob. It was however, at one point or another, home to some 50 or so people. Of those, about a dozen were Browncoats in any true sense of the word, that number has steadily decreased, as inactivity and simply following different paths claim these folk.

A day when we lose any of those people, is an inherently sad one. Today we strike another name from that list, Asriel Belacqua. I wish we could say that the reason for this demise was due to some heroic and thoroughly Browncoat action, as I would have suspected would have only been becoming of what was once such a prestigious member of the Browncoats. Unfortunately, that does not appear to be the case. If anything, as Lord Panda said, it is the actions of a reaver and a grave-digger.

I've not much time for such folk.

(OOC: Though yes, I appreciate the irony in the fact that I spent the time typing this.)

[Emperor Brutus]

Gah, I'm so sick of alliance reformations.

Please don't explain to me why you're entitled to reform Browncoats because you held a position of power [if you even held a position of power] in Browncoats. It would be much more useful if you explained why you could not think of any other themes for a new alliance.

They think it will make them popular.

[Asriel Belacqua]

They think it will make them popular.

Quite the opposite, in fact, I had fully prepared for most of Bob to hate me. Ask almost anyone I talked to. I was utterly surprised whenever someone said they were happy.

A day when we lose any of those people, is an inherently sad one. Today we strike another name from that list, Asriel Belacqua. I wish we could say that the reason for this demise was due to some heroic and thoroughly Browncoat action, as I would have suspected would have only been becoming of what was once such a prestigious member of the Browncoats. Unfortunately, that does not appear to be the case. If anything, as Lord Panda said, it is the actions of a reaver and a grave-digger.

Veneke, I know you have your problems with me and doing this, and I'll respect that, as you were once a friend to me. You can call me what you wish, in the hearts and minds of many others who have spoken to me, you are, in fact, wrong.

Again, best of luck to the 57th.

Edited September 1, 2009 by Asriel Belacqua

[sethb]

Good luck, Asriel if you need anything give me a holler, us bakers gotta stick together.

[James Wilson]

Good luck Asriel...from the looks of this thread, you'll need it.

[ChairmanHal]

Not everyone involved in that mess paid a heavy price; all of the people in Browncoats did, but there were others who pretty much got off scot-free.

Oh I know of whom you speak and yes...a certain leader in BDC that resigned and walked away to another alliance. He wrote extensively of how he suffered...and yet I don't recall him losing a single point of NS. Such is life on Planet Bob.

[Asriel Belacqua]

Good luck, Asriel if you need anything give me a holler, us bakers gotta stick together.

Aye. We do. If you need anything too, give me a holler.

Good luck Asriel...from the looks of this thread, you'll need it.

Probably will, thanks for the support JW.

[InkBlot]

Best of Luck Browncoats.

Sadly I really can't recognize the names of almost any of you, nor the ones of the 57th Overlanders.

Guess us original (Moon) Browncoats have short memories.

-Uragan

[Asriel Belacqua]

Best of Luck Browncoats.

Sadly I really can't recognize the names of almost any of you, nor the ones of the 57th Overlanders.

Guess us original (Moon) Browncoats have short memories.

-Uragan

You may not remember me, but I do remember you. You were a good member for the short time you were around. Glad to see you're still on Planet Bob.

[Kryievla]

Really, would you rock my world just like you rocked the original BC when you orchestrated the Bubblegum Crisis? Your apparent 'concern' for BC is laughable, seeing as you are the main reason it fell. You have absolutely no justification in claiming you have respect for BC or the 57th.

You're just as amoral as the people you're defending, Schattenmann, and there is no getting out of this one. Anyone who reads the BC page on the wiki can see that it names you as the traitor.

Care to rebut?

I care to rebut, as Schattenmann already addressed this earlier. People make mistakes, even alliance leaders. He mentioned his regrets. While his actions were unconscionable, his heart was in the right place. He has paid for his error many times over, and has not repeated that conduct; I think it unjust to hold that over his head for the rest of his natural-born life. It was appalling, it was scandalous, but it's long since done, and I wish people would just let it die.

I do not see a lack of respect; rather, I see sincere regret for choices made, and a hope for a brighter future for both your alliance and this new one.

[Lord Panda]

I care to rebut, as Schattenmann already addressed this earlier. People make mistakes, even alliance leaders. He mentioned his regrets. While his actions were unconscionable, his heart was in the right place. He has paid for his error many times over, and has not repeated that conduct; I think it unjust to hold that over his head for the rest of his natural-born life. It was appalling, it was scandalous, but it's long since done, and I wish people would just let it die.

I do not see a lack of respect; rather, I see sincere regret for choices made, and a hope for a brighter future for both your alliance and this new one.

You know that part about people just letting it die?

Now you know how us detractors feel, don't you.

Edited September 2, 2009 by Lord Panda

[Schattenmann]

I care to rebut, as Schattenmann already addressed this earlier. People make mistakes, even alliance leaders. He mentioned his regrets. While his actions were unconscionable, his heart was in the right place. He has paid for his error many times over, and has not repeated that conduct; I think it unjust to hold that over his head for the rest of his natural-born life. It was appalling, it was scandalous, but it's long since done, and I wish people would just let it die.

I do not see a lack of respect; rather, I see sincere regret for choices made, and a hope for a brighter future for both your alliance and this new one.

I've always been too pigheaded to put it as well, but that's what I strive for.

I really want everyone to let it be in this thread. This is a point of celebration for former members, former allies, amd those who appreciate and want alliances like Browncoats making footprints on Bob. For those that refuse to let it die, the rebuttal Panda wants is here: http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=68016

[MagicalTrevor]

yay, more alliances

yay, more zombie alliances

yay, more interworld alliances

[Asriel Belacqua]

yay, more alliances

yay, more zombie alliances

yay, more interworld alliances

Love you too MagicalTrevor

[Sardonic]

Be interesting to see if you can recapture what made the original (original original) Browncoats so successful, all I recall from the old Browncoats here was that disastrous fake war. Is now what is left a lunar shadow of a lunar shadow?

Oh well, at least you're not run by that Lord Malcolm guy who wrote naughty stories about himself and the local guy-who-pretends-to-be-girl who roams the communication channels, right?

[Asriel Belacqua]

Be interesting to see if you can recapture what made the original (original original) Browncoats so successful, all I recall from the old Browncoats here was that disastrous fake war. Is now what is left a lunar shadow of a lunar shadow?

Oh well, at least you're not run by that Lord Malcolm guy who wrote naughty stories about himself and the local guy-who-pretends-to-be-girl who roams the communication channels, right?

I hope to bring back some of the original spirit that all Browncoats should have.

and just so you know, I liked those stories... and I am quite frequently called a girl. I think I may have to just give into peer pressure and act like the guy-who-pretends-to-be-girl someday!

[Lennox]

The alliance that was Browncoats may not have been the largest alliance out there, nor the most competent. In fact, it would probably be fair to say that it was founded by inactives, staffed by amateurs and led by exiles, and had a very love-hate relationship with most of Bob.

Your past seems to follow you, doesn't it?