Hell Scream Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 So aiding only a select few of tiny nations that took little (if any) damage, then disbanding so that the higher nations who took the brunt get nothing, was in the best interest for the collective? Am I missing something? "So that higher nations who took the burnt get nothing" Disbanding or not, the higher nations were not going to receive any reps. The only people who were going to receive more money were me, and 2 others who were as small as me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generals3 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 "So that higher nations who took the burnt get nothing"Disbanding or not, the higher nations were not going to receive any reps. The only people who were going to receive more money were me, and 2 others who were as small as me. Its really impossible to discuss with you , isnt it ? It doesn't matter who gets the money , what matters is how it's used! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hell Scream Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Its really impossible to discuss with you , isnt it ? It doesn't matter who gets the money , what matters is how it's used! You're saying that 9 mill was supposed to be sent to people that were attacked, like deSouza, who is 60k NS. Does THAT make sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Diorno Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 You're saying that 9 mill was supposed to be sent to people that were attacked, like deSouza, who is 60k NS. Does THAT make sense? You could of taken the 3 mil and given 100 tech to desouza, seems logical to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hell Scream Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 You could of taken the 3 mil and given 100 tech to desouza, seems logical to me. Which would have earned the alliance less NS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nadabethyname Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 but but but, you disbanded the alliance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generals3 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Ok thats enough of hypocrisy , i went looking and found a CG member with 3.3K NS and got no money whatsoever , hmm seems that for example you giving him 3mill would have balanced it out and helped NS growth as much , now didnt it? And how come Fran got 9mill as well while she has 14k NS and members with less than 5k get nothing or 3 mill aid. Yes idd , because you are just being an hypocrite . Just admit you were/are wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Diorno Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Which would have earned the alliance less NS. He got attacked though, the reps were to repair the damage IS had done to you, not to have prettier stats. If i was DeSouza I would of appreciated the 100 tech to build back some personal NS, since that is what is was intended for. Seems kinda selfish IMO, poor show, poor show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shahenshah Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 So did he join NPO yet or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Diorno Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 So did he join NPO yet or not? his AA reads ODN Applicant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hell Scream Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 but but but, you disbanded the alliance! I didn't, Francesca did. Ok thats enough of hypocrisy , i went looking and found a CG member with 3.3K NS and got no money whatsoever , hmm seems that for example you giving him 3mill would have balanced it out and helped NS growth as much , now didnt it? And how come Fran got 9mill as well while she has 14k NS and members with less than 5k get nothing or 3 mill aid. Yes idd , because you are just being an hypocrite . Just admit you were/are wrong. Because said is not active enough to accept aid without a delay. Hypocrite? What the hell do I have to do with reps? I had no say in reps, deSouza organized all of it, I'm just defending HIS actions. I did what I was told. I'm wrong? In what sense? This reps weren't sent to compensate for the damages, they were sent to increase our NS. I made an oath to re-join ODN if CG doesn't work out, and forgot about it. I was reminded earlier today, so I decided to stick to my words, I withdrew my NPO Application and joined ODN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 So did he join NPO yet or not? Well... Doesn't look like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Wilson Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Oh my god. People let this die already. Hasn't this alliance caused enough headaches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Actually, Hell Scream is right. And wrong. So is everyone else. Actually I said this earlier in the thread: Infrastructure is important in war in that it is used to determine the maximum size of your ground and naval forces. It also helps to generate income prior to combat and thus build up your warchest. That's true whether you have 200 NS or 100,000 NS. Of course tech doesn't solve everything. However, if the disparity in infra isn't really radical, and there isn't a major disparity in the knowledge of "Military Science on Planet Bob" between the opposing leaders (OOC: I've had the privilege of working with some the best at taking advantage of the game mechanics--people who outnumbered and outgunned could still win victories), then the nation with the superior tech almost always wins (OOC: barring the gamer's worst nightmare: "a bad dice night"). That's why having tech and not dismissing it as inconsequential is so critical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorConcept Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 I didn't, Francesca did. I thought it was being discussed for weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMe Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 What about mine? :D No real issues with you. You haven't been tromping around this thread thumping your chest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gn0xious Jr Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 (edited) I didn't, Francesca did. I had no say in reps, deSouza organized all of it, I'm just defending HIS actions. I did what I was told. I'm wrong? In what sense? Weren't you JUST talking about how an alliance is a collective? Everything is done for the betterment of said alliance? Now you're taking the "it wasn't me, it was THEM" defense against legitimate questions about your gloating about defeating IS and getting REPs. First off, you had help with IS, so the "credit" for this doesn't sit with CG alone. Second, An alliance ISis a collective membership, and the members trust the actions that their leaders take. If you are pushing the "blame" for any actions on them, you are in essence questioning their motives. If you did not agree with their motives you should speak up to them. Saying that the disbandment was Fran's doing seems pretty low to me. As does blaming DeSouza for you not supporting your fellow members. As someone who completely understands the economics of this world, I'd have thought you might have offered up some suggestions to DeSouza, you know, something like, "i don't mind receiving the 9m in AID, but would it make sense to forward 100Tech per 3m of that to our larger nations to help them rebuild? As I took no damage?" Good luck to you, if you find another alliance... Edit: while IS is a collective membership, i didn't intend for the IS to represent IS... Edited August 28, 2009 by Gn0xious Jr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deSouza Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 You could of taken the 3 mil and given 100 tech to desouza, seems logical to me. That could be done in the future, but at the time it seemed logical to use the slots in a way to develop the alliance faster. Ok thats enough of hypocrisy , i went looking and found a CG member with 3.3K NS and got no money whatsoever , hmm seems that for example you giving him 3mill would have balanced it out and helped NS growth as much , now didnt it? And how come Fran got 9mill as well while she has 14k NS and members with less than 5k get nothing or 3 mill aid. Yes idd , because you are just being an hypocrite . Just admit you were/are wrong. In terms of aid I always aid active members first, because I can actually talk to them and put some sense on how to use the money. If said 3.3k ns member was active or even requested money, he would surely have gotten it. I find it particularly funny that people consider reparations to be some sort of CN red cross. He got attacked though, the reps were to repair the damage IS had done to you, not to have prettier stats. If i was DeSouza I would of appreciated the 100 tech to build back some personal NS, since that is what is was intended for. Seems kinda selfish IMO, poor show, poor show. You aren't deSouza, deSouza was in charge of the aid and deSouza did not request tech to himself. DeSouza happens to consider the best for the collective while making his/her decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Monkey Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Why are you guys still talking about CG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francesca Posted August 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Bored or not, raid should have never happened. Francesca was well known to be mouthy and willing to make public spectacles. It's not enough note that the target is small and without allies. You have to look at the individual nations and what level of OWRP involvement they have.Even if you decided to go for it, you should have pre-consulted with allies, perhaps even sent in a couple people in advance to see how they would react. Set it up right and you could have even made it look like CG over reacted to a simple raid and you were merely responding. Simply put, you got the tables turned on you and lost control of the situation. Meanwhile, key members of CG walked away from the alliance with a wad of cash and screwed both you and their alliance mates. Lesson learned I hope. Ok thats enough of hypocrisy , i went looking and found a CG member with 3.3K NS and got no money whatsoever , hmm seems that for example you giving him 3mill would have balanced it out and helped NS growth as much , now didnt it? And how come Fran got 9mill as well while she has 14k NS and members with less than 5k get nothing or 3 mill aid. Yes idd , because you are just being an hypocrite . Just admit you were/are wrong. I only received 3 million in reps. I received some money from Invicta because I went to them personally and requested it (they had offered us financial support.) Everyone else who bothered to do the same thing also received money. It's called taking initiative. The fact that I was sent 3 million before others is a complete fluke- I didn't write the aid scheme, nor did I really have anything to do with rep co-ordination as I detest finances- and I wish people would stop making ridiculous accusations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generals3 Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 (edited) I only received 3 million in reps. I received some money from Invicta because I went to them personally and requested it (they had offered us financial support.) Everyone else who bothered to do the same thing also received money. It's called taking initiative. The fact that I was sent 3 million before others is a complete fluke- I didn't write the aid scheme, nor did I really have anything to do with rep co-ordination as I detest finances- and I wish people would stop making ridiculous accusations. well i dont have anything against you . But HS is just full of hypocrisy , always about 'helping the AA NS' . Ok now i'm gonna explain the whole situation with bulletproof facts why he's a liar and should just admit it. -It was said numerous times your disbandment was planned and into discussion for weeks , the precise date maybe not , but i doubt u suddenly thought: today is the day * BAF* (and if u did , sorry , but fail. ) -HS was in the govt . -HS thus knew that the AA would soon be disbanded . - By taking 9 mill for himself he thus didn't help the AA at all knowing it was going to be disbanded anyway: Helping the AA means helping ALL the members . And sure, by having some smaller nations become stronger, in time of war it will help the AA. But since it was going to be disbanded and afterwards the members would obviously chose different paths the only way to help the entire AA is to give EVERYONE its share and MAINLY the ones who suffered during the war. Because boosting HS who applied for NPO didnt help former CG members in ANY way . So why doesn't he just admit he was wrong and is greedy . He knows it , everyone else knows it , so why not just say it ?! EDIT: You also once stated 'why should i refuse the money' . Well after some thoughts , thats what i would have done. It's common courtesy and would have been honorably , i actually think accepting and using repair money without having anything to repair is just... Wait do i even have to say it (i think the sentence speaks for itself)? It doesnt matter wether you're small or not , repair money is supposed to help the ones who fought and lost things not to just purely boost your AA NS (and even that argument is flawed due to my above statement). Like i said it , in both AA's i've been in repair money was used to repair and nothing else. Edited August 29, 2009 by generals3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francesca Posted August 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 well i dont have anything against you . But HS is just full of hypocrisy , always about 'helping the AA NS' . Ok now i'm gonna explain the whole situation with bulletproof facts why he's a liar and should just admit it.-It was said numerous times your disbandment was planned and into discussion for weeks , the precise date maybe not , but i doubt u suddenly thought: today is the day * BAF* (and if u did , sorry , but fail. ) -HS was in the govt . -HS thus knew that the AA would soon be disbanded . - By taking 9 mill for himself he thus didn't help the AA at all knowing it was going to be disbanded anyway: Helping the AA means helping ALL the members . And sure, by having some smaller nations become stronger, in time of war it will help the AA. But since it was going to be disbanded and afterwards the members would obviously chose different paths the only way to help the entire AA is to give EVERYONE its share and MAINLY the ones who suffered during the war. Because boosting HS who applied for NPO didnt help former CG members in ANY way . So why doesn't he just admit he was wrong and is greedy . He knows it , everyone else knows it , so why not just say it ?! EDIT: You also once stated 'why should i refuse the money' . Well after some thoughts , thats what i would have done. It's common courtesy and would have been honorably , i actually think accepting and using repair money without having anything to repair is just... Wait do i even have to say it (i think the sentence speaks for itself)? It doesnt matter wether you're small or not , repair money is supposed to help the ones who fought and lost things not to just purely boost your AA NS (and even that argument is flawed due to my above statement). Like i said it , in both AA's i've been in repair money was used to repair and nothing else. Ok, for a start although we'd been considering disbandment for certain reasons we didn't know that it was going to happen so soon. Hellscream did *not* take 9 million for himself, he wasn't involved in writing the aid scheme, for a start (that I remember. I see no reason why he would, given that he had no hand in finances.) As for refusing the money, IS tried to attack us en masse and walk off with our tech. I wanted to teach them a lesson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerius Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Why are you guys still talking about CG? I couldn't agree more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ModusOperandi Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 (edited) In terms of aid I always aid active members first, because I can actually talk to them and put some sense on how to use the money.If said 3.3k ns member was active or even requested money, he would surely have gotten it. I find it particularly funny that people consider reparations to be some sort of CN red cross. Hey now, no aid was ever transmitted without full, enhanced security precautions and a completely disclosed biographical and character procedure. Please leave my former alliance out of this although I do understand your unintended relation of an OOC theme to an IC issue. Edited August 29, 2009 by ModusOperandi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hell Scream Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 HS did that HS did this. I didn't have a say in who gets reps and who doesn't get reps, deSouza told me to accept 9 mill, wait 10 days and accept 9 mill more, wait until I am at 20 days of no collection, buy max infra I can and collect. I did what I was told to. Why my name is even mentioned when it's concerning the reps, I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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