Alterego Posted August 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 If you're going to go for that as a prerequisite, then really MK wins it. They're the only alliance in this category to face significant opposition on the battlefield post-rebuilding. The greater the fall and bigger the post war rebuild the more impressive. The alliances who fought wars of occupation must be considered in a higher position to alliances that fought equally devastating but much shorter wars. Fighting that kind of war can break peoples will to carry on when it looks like they might never be allowed the chance to make a recovery. Alliances like FAN, GATO, FARK & potentially TPF fit this mould, this doesnt mean that the other comebacks arent very impressive. also: Impressive comeback by STA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carfre Inpor Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 (edited) Begining of the WotC - Aug 11th 2008 - New Polar Order: 44.31 Rank 4 in Amazing Sanction Race End of the WotC - Sep 11th 2008 - New Polar Order: 15.48 Rank 17 in ASR Regain of Sanction - Dec 23 2008 - New Polar Order: 23.73 Rank 12 in ASR 1 year after the WotC - Aug 11th 2009 - New Polar Order: 44.31 Rank 4 in Amazing Sanction Race So after exactly 1 year of the beginning of the WotC we're back to the exact same place EDIT: Dec 23rd was when we passed GPA, the regain of the sanction came 10 days later. Edited August 16, 2009 by Carfre Inpor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEraser Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Begining of the WotC - Aug 11th 2008 - New Polar Order: 44.31 Rank 4 in Amazing Sanction RaceEnd of the WotC - Sep 11th 2008 - New Polar Order: 15.48 Rank 17 in ASR Regain of Sanction - Dec 23 2008 - New Polar Order: 23.73 Rank 12 in ASR 1 year after the WotC - Aug 11th 2009 - New Polar Order: 44.31 Rank 4 in Amazing Sanction Race So after exactly 1 year of the beginning of the WotC we're back to the exact same place EDIT: Dec 23rd was when we passed GPA, the regain of the sanction came 10 days later. what this guy says. If anyone doubts this, look no further than their stats. 3500+ nukes just shy of 200 mps and you can guarantee that they have some pretty big warchests. i don't think anyone is going to pick a fight with polaris anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryievla Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 I remember watching you guys regrow. The speed was jaw-dropping, to say the least. VERY impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gauner Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 You guys wouldnt know anything about this but about 2 years ago my current alliance was me and 2 others that got ganged and ZI'd by NATO. Myself and the 2 others remade the alliance about a month ago and we're up to 5 members now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kremlin Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Fark and FAN have legendary bounce back status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essenia Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 (edited) what this guy says. If anyone doubts this, look no further than their stats. 3500+ nukes just shy of 200 mps and you can guarantee that they have some pretty big warchests. i don't think anyone is going to pick a fight with polaris anytime soon. Other alliances have far exceeded where they were before they fell, however. Edited August 17, 2009 by essenia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willaim Kreiger Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Other alliances have far exceeded where they were before they fell, however. Not that I consider us the best, but said alliances also started a lot lower before they were beat down than we did . Regardless, props to any alliance that rebuilds itself after being thoroughly massacred, it's a rough and difficult process and it's impressive to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTTezla Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 I'd have to go with FARK. FAN is pretty good, but they're not really "back" yet. They're still growing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphosis Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Did your alliance make a great comeback after a devastating war? Let us know your before and after stats. GOD bounced back from UJW, which hit us pretty hard. We lost about 70 members... average got punked pretty hard, think we only had 100 or so nukes going in. Came back pretty well, we were bigger than most of our opponents (if not all) in a few months, especially since NoV had the SoM split. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ty345 Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Somehow, I get the feeling that NPO will be on the top of this list at some point... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhysicsJunky Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 I'd have to go with FARK. FAN is pretty good, but they're not really "back" yet. They're still growing. It's really unfair to compare the two and say one was more tenacious than the other. They both prevailed against overwhelming odds and deserve a lot of respect. In Fark's case they had a huge boost once they gained peace due to a combination of readily available offsite recruiting and a fair number of large and CN experienced sympathizers switching in over time. They also stood a huge advantage in that the Goons not only were fairly kind once Fark gained peace but went on to disappear from the map soon after. FAN on the other hand put up a longer and decidedly more bitter fight and is expanding in a time when a lot of other alliances are shrinking. Now is not an easy time to recruit with the sudden abundance of new post-war and summer alliances. I think those two in particular gain special recognition not because others haven't done remarkable jobs, but because at the time of their bounces they were essentially cut off from the world. NpO for example has done wonders recently in bouncing back but I wouldn't say that they were ever politically isolated and without some level of outside support, nor did they get pulled down so far that their top nations were in the single digit thousands which makes coordinated recovery a bit difficult. Some amazing results posted by a lot of great alliances over the last couple years though, congrats all around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleda Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 It's really unfair to compare the two and say one was more tenacious than the other. They both prevailed against overwhelming odds and deserve a lot of respect. In Fark's case they had a huge boost once they gained peace due to a combination of readily available offsite recruiting and a fair number of large and CN experienced sympathizers switching in over time. They also stood a huge advantage in that the Goons not only were fairly kind once Fark gained peace but went on to disappear from the map soon after. FAN on the other hand put up a longer and decidedly more bitter fight and is expanding in a time when a lot of other alliances are shrinking. Now is not an easy time to recruit with the sudden abundance of new post-war and summer alliances.I think those two in particular gain special recognition not because others haven't done remarkable jobs, but because at the time of their bounces they were essentially cut off from the world. NpO for example has done wonders recently in bouncing back but I wouldn't say that they were ever politically isolated and without some level of outside support, nor did they get pulled down so far that their top nations were in the single digit thousands which makes coordinated recovery a bit difficult. Some amazing results posted by a lot of great alliances over the last couple years though, congrats all around. FAN is not and most likely will never be actively recruiting , nothing to see here , move along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King William IV Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Fark, NpO, GATO, and the Legion post purplegate are up there for me. Legion building up after purplegate was really tough because we (was a legionnaire at the time) had the unending reps to 3 alliances. Anyways their regrowth can also be seen in terms of effectiveness, the Legion gained a better military as mentioned before, so if pre-Purplegate Legion fought todays Legion, todays would win IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raider Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 The Libertarian Socialist Federation. Who I think people overlook since they never rose and fell as high as those mentioned here. They however endured the fourth longest war in CN history behind FAN, Vox, and GOONS. They fell from ~100 members and ~1,000,000 NS to 18 members and 52,962 NS. (I it may have been even lower) They've come back pretty strong since then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loannes Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 NpO should be in this category. Their beatdown in the WotC still couldn't keep them down. Fark wins it hands down. FAN is a contender, from their whole VietFAN Wars. They've had an impressive growth rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sanders Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 (edited) No idea why people are voting Fark, they don't fit the question. You have to be big to start with in order to bounce back. Fark formed with hundreds of tiny nations, was held at small sizes for a few months and then grew. Percentage-wise BAPS would have to be at the top although being a smaller alliance certainly influenced that. Polar has had the most impressive large scale rebuild during my time in CN. Edit: FAN is on their way too I'm sure, they have always had good coordination. Edited August 19, 2009 by Bob Sanders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathias Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 NpO and MK pretty much have this category wrapped up. Both of their growths after No-CB were incredibly impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comedian Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 (edited) WAPA after GW3. Had 30 members and roughly 80k strength, now at 142 members and 3.5 million strength while also been on the beat down of three wars. Quite impressive in my eyes. Edited August 19, 2009 by fifelad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted August 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 (edited) If the NS of your alliance resembled a V then it is an impressive comeback. The deeper and wider the V the more impressive the bounceback. Any alliance whos NS decline went on for 2+ months and comeback exceeded their initial NS giving their NS a appearance with a medium to large NS drop is an exceptional bounceback. I agree with what my Valhalla comrade said earlier, a significant NS loss must have been suffered. Edited August 19, 2009 by Alterego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankdolf Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 If we're counting VE, we might as well count Vox Populi. It didn't last, but it was some impressive growth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Wallace Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Post this question again in 15 months and I think the answer will be NPO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Post this question again in 15 months and I think the answer will be NPO. 15, now that's a bit of an odd number. Any particular reason why 15 and not 6 or 12 (minimum end of terms and a year)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiCkO Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 where coming back slowly but surely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathias Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 15, now that's a bit of an odd number. Any particular reason why 15 and not 6 or 12 (minimum end of terms and a year)? Because then they would have been released from terms, and would have bounced back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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