DogeWilliam Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Oh, right, some other person that forgot he was allied to the NPO for 3 or so years.What are you trying to show here? What is your business in this thread? This isn't about NPO. This is about NPO-lite. Which you are. You know, like a lite beer. For the ladies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 There should be a distinct difference between testing the waters and outright stupidity. This particular attempt seems to blur that line. That is pure opinion, rather then fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drostan Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 We've been "testing the waters" long before the Karma War. This may be true but I am saying that now is a unique case as there is no hegemony to look out for. I am not saying that your modus operandi has changed but rather that it is not a surprise (since it hasn't changed) that you are the first to test the resolve of the new world. Even I am curious to see where the boundaries lie now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinan Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Most alliances consider mass message recruitment approved by high government as an act of war, by the way. The next time my mailman puts a letter in my mailbox, I'm going to run out of my house screaming, "Youre violating my sovereignty! Stop attacking me!!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angrator Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 What are you trying to show? Your motives for poaching their members, acting like pricks, and being npo-lite? I think we all get that part. Being a prick is a CB for war? I don't know about you, but it sounds a bit extreme. I personally think that there are better ways to solve a dispute. Instead of trying to cause all this drama they could have approached us and tried to resolve this diplomatically. The Grey Council did, but not the TDO to my knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drostan Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 The next time my mailman puts a letter in my mailbox, I'm going to run out of my house screaming, "Youre violating my sovereignty! Stop attacking me!!!" This anaology could not be more flawless imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkingClassRuler Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 The next time my mailman puts a letter in my mailbox, I'm going to run out of my house screaming, "Youre violating my sovereignty! Stop attacking me!!!" If your mailman wrote a letter telling you to leave your house because it's "weak" and "pathetic", I'd agree with the necessity to run after him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mussolandia Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) I think that award was once granted to the New Polar Order. If we are also to be named as such, I believe we can expect a bright future ahead of us. Unlike you, I do not bear the shame of trying to cover up my past. I bear no shame in being associated to the NPO, unfair as this comparison is. All evidence points to the fact, that we do not hold close diplomatic relationships with them nor have we engaged other alliances with the style of diplomacy they favor. This is not Pacifica's modus operandi. Your alliance eagerly supported a war against neutral alliances, however. I wonder who was dancing to the NPO's tune back then. I fought in that war and I have fond memories of it. Do you? EDIT: @ Doge William Edited July 3, 2009 by Mussolandia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimaera Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 If your mailman wrote a letter telling you to leave your house because it's "weak" and "pathetic", I'd agree with the necessity to run after him. This is the key here. If NSO sent TDO, GPA, et al a mass message offering to do tech deals, it's one thing. This is a completely different situation, and probably warrants an aggressive response. Whether or not we'll see one, well...neutrals have never really defended their sovereignty very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MercyFallout Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 This may be true but I am saying that now is a unique case as there is no hegemony to look out for. I am not saying that your modus operandi has changed but rather that it is not a surprise (since it hasn't changed) that you are the first to test the resolve of the new world. Even I am curious to see where the boundaries lie now. Just because there is no Hegemony to look out for doesn't mean that GPA, TDO, GC, and GOP can't, you know, fight for themselves? Hell, Hegemony didn't fight for the neutrals even when they were in power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 If your mailman wrote a letter telling you to leave your house because it's "weak" and "pathetic", I'd agree with the necessity to run after him. Don't you mean the guy who wrote the letter to give to the mailman to deliver to your door? CN's messaging system is innocent in this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigbigadorlou Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 As a person who leads an alliance thats been poached from (just recently) I can officially say: THIS IS AWESOME Bawws, members, and huge threads all under the careful guise of neutrality genius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROMMELHSQ Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 This was a really pathetic move by NSO. Not only recruiting, but insulting and ridiculing the alliance in the same PM, hundreds of them... I assure you we can be just as happy with a loss as with a win.I believe you are correct TDO NSO really is going to have to fight to survive this PR situation.... A little fix here. As for those who say recruiting isn't war worthy, to be honest i wouldn't want to stay in my alliance if we get 200 PMs for recruiting us AND insulting our alliance...and do nothing about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverlordOeboema Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Being a prick is a CB for war? I don't know about you, but it sounds a bit extreme. I personally think that there are better ways to solve a dispute. Instead of trying to cause all this drama they could have approached us and tried to resolve this diplomatically. The Grey Council did, but not the TDO to my knowledge. from the OP: "It has been confirmed by NSO that it was approved by their 2nd in command, Doppleganger, and that this was a premeditated and government approved act of war against our alliances. We have attempted to take a diplomatic approach through back channels and have been met with hostility and disrespect." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menwearpink135 Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 SWEET. I've always wanted Doppel in my alliance, I think I'm going to recruit him now! (Actually, I have no intention for him to join my alliance, but since all the cool kids are recruiting from alliances these days...) Also, our Beloved Emperor Chimaera is the king of recruiting from alliances. No one else comes close to his glory. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Not even worth arguing. This isn't worth fighting a war over, and no war is going to happen. Our guerrilla fighting abilities are handy but our diplomatic acumen is more handy. Not every disagreement needs to end with shots fired. Let's not forget the greater lessons of Vox Populi. Now this is probably the sensible answer. Also, stop quoting me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 To those in favor of "allowing" recruiting from alliances, when does the line get crossed? Does talking to your members on IRC in an attempt to get them to leave their alliance cross it? Or does no such line ever exist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Also, our Beloved Emperor Chimaera is the king of recruiting from alliances. No one else comes close to his glory. That is all. Waits for the cries of outrage from "concerned citizens" *crickets* Figures... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 Can someone help me out? I thought their charter prohibited them from starting wars. Is that right? It prohibits them from signing treaties that bind them to get involved in other alliances' wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Srqt Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) I would expect no different from the Sith, you can never trust them. I haven't read the whole thread so I apologize if this has already been addressed but neutrality does not mean that an alliance can not fight a war after a direct offense against it it means that they will not get involved in the politics of others. OOC: you gotta give NSO credit for sticking to their theme. Edited July 3, 2009 by KingSrqt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 To those in favor of "allowing" recruiting from alliances, when does the line get crossed? Does talking to your members on IRC in an attempt to get them to leave their alliance cross it? Or does no such line ever exist? If you use IRC you know that's already happen, it's full of "Hey join my alliance!" and joke or not this already exist and as I said I think this is disrespectful but hardly a CB because in the end it's up to you accept or not the invitation, just say "no, thanks." and walk away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMarx Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 To play devil's advocate, what about the language used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 I'm wondering why everyone who thinks this is a-ok is ignoring the fact that the Sith have already apologised for the same message sent to another alliance. If the Sith have such conviction that they have done nothing wrong, why did they respond to one demand for a public apology so drastically different to another by, you know, apologising publicly? Something doesn't click, here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electron Sponge Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) from the OP:"It has been confirmed by NSO that it was approved by their 2nd in command, Doppleganger, and that this was a premeditated and government approved act of war against our alliances. We have attempted to take a diplomatic approach through back channels and have been met with hostility and disrespect." I am curious what back channels they are referring to, as well as examples of this hostility and disrespect. I am wondering if the hostility and disrespect actually occurred in the back channels, or if it occurred elsewhere where parties that wouldn't necessarily have been involved were involved? Also, I highly doubt that Doppelganger confirmed that this was an act of war. Knowing the leadership of NSO, if it were to be an act of war they'd actually be shooting. That statement smacks of hyperbole and an overwrought appeal to emotion, to be honest. I've reviewed what I assume are the actual back channel discussions, and I'm having a hard time finding anything other than people sticking to their guns firmly in some instances, and frank discussion throughout. Perhaps I am missing something. Edited July 3, 2009 by Electron Sponge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted July 3, 2009 Report Share Posted July 3, 2009 If you use IRC you know that's already happen, it's full of "Hey join my alliance!" and joke or not this already exist and as I said I think this is disrespectful but hardly a CB because in the end it's up to you accept or not the invitation, just say "no, thanks." and walk away. It is not full of people seriously trying to recruit people already in alliances however, which is what I was asking (clearly jokes happen, especially on IRC, but just as clearly these messages were not intended as a joke considering the language used). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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