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[Horo the Wise Wolf]

He's already tried to roll somewhere else. Unless... THAT WAS A RED HERRING! :o

[Lestari]

He's already tried to roll somewhere else. Unless... THAT WAS A RED HERRING! :o

Soylent Green is people! Obama is a Kenyan reptile! THE TRICENT HEGEMONY WANT TO EAT YOUR KITTENS!

[Triyun]

Cats are disgusting with all the crap they eat I want to eat first world babies raised on organic baby food from Whole Foods.

[Lestari]

Cats are disgusting with all the crap they eat I want to eat first world babies raised on organic baby food from Whole Foods.

ugh, fucking entitled millennials these days, back in my day we ate whatever babies we were served and goddammit we enjoyed it

[Hereno]

Seems kind of ridiculous that a player can hold an implicit eternal protectorate over an entire continent with barely any maintenance to speak of. Isn't this one of the very grievances that CNRP2 was created to address?

It's literally even worse than that. He doesn't have just one continent. He has two, plus central America and Greenland. But nobody seems to give a !@#$ because he isn't Triyun.

edit: i forgot hawaii and australia Edited October 21, 2014 by Hereno

[Centurius]

Weeks ago from Asia.. over the European theater, as events in this part of the war were happening... (Not Op-recognition. All systems have been used in the roles being described.)
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The Warden Space Planes, launched by Druk Yul, opened their cargo bays to reveal 23 MM radar guided autocannons. The kind used during the cold war and the first weapons to be legitimately fired in space. With the strike package on the space planes, target based on relative speeds was relatively simple ballistics. Given there was no record of any defensive capability for the recon satellites they were going to target anywhere, it was going to be a fun time for them.

The Wardens had a simple task.. establish a slightly higher orbit near the enemy satellites and stay stably positioned. The auto-cannons would then lock onto the nearby signature of the satellite and annihilate it. Since the satellites had no local sensory suites and were set for earth recon, they wouldn't even see the attack coming. Britain, Romania, Prussia, and Belarus all would likely have their satellites systematically targeted and annihilated. If the satellite didn't have a published ID, that wasn't a problem. They could be identified by the nation their broadcast and reception antennae were oriented towards. Over the course of 24 hours... the satellite networks of these nations would likely be utterly annihilated at all orbital levels starting at geostationary and working their way in, as they were literally.. defenseless.

The source of the attack? Unknown as they were looking down, not up.

Once the orbits were cleared.. any additional launches from the hostile powers would be intercepted as they came out of the atmosphere.

Disputing by virtue of these systems having never been used together, never having been intended to use together and the actual real-life complications such a system in that configuration would face.

[Mr Director]

Poor Belarus doesn't even have satellites to shoot down.... :(

[Maelstrom Vortex]

Disputing by virtue of these systems having never been used together, never having been intended to use together and the actual real-life complications such a system in that configuration would face.

 

The X37 system was designed to carry a cargo. The cannon is that cargo and has been fired from a stable space platform. The cannon is the actual weapon and has been tested on stationary mounts in space successfully without damage to the craft it was attached to up to as many as 3 times til the clip was emptied. The systems function independently of each other except for positioning and transferring communications about targeting from sensors. That said, both systems have been used in roles they have traditionally filled and have not caused interference in other systems they have been connected to. A cannon which mounted to an orbital body has successfully been tested and fired without damage to its much older and fragile cold-war mount the Salyut 3 of the Almaz line of soviet satellites. There were concerns the guns would damage the Salyut on firing, but this didn't happen. Salyut 3 wasn't required to withstand re-entry, just launch stresses. Additionally the space plane is actually designed to handle significant stress loads. It can withstand a delta v of 7,000 mph (3.1 km/s) and is able to undergo re-entry without damage, firing a gun from a bay mounted boom arm will hardly rattle it. The TU-16 the gun was originally mounted to likely had a weaker air-frame and survived its firing. Given the mere 850 m/s speed of the 173 or 168 gram projectiles the amount of force would not be great enough to compromise the structural integrity or systems of the vessel or come remotely close to doing so.

Edited October 21, 2014 by Maelstrom Vortex

[Centurius]

 

The X37 system was designed to carry a cargo. The cannon is that cargo and has been fired from a stable space platform. The cannon is the actual weapon and has been tested on stationary mounts in space successfully without damage to the craft it was attached to up to as many as 3 times til the clip was emptied. The systems function independently of each other except for positioning and transferring communications about targeting from sensors. That said, both systems have been used in roles they have traditionally filled and have not caused interference in other systems they have been connected to. A cannon which mounted to an orbital body has successfully been tested and fired without damage to its much older and fragile cold-war mount the Salyut 3 of the Almaz line of soviet satellites. There were concerns the guns would damage the Salyut on firing, but this didn't happen. Additionally the space plane is actually designed to handle significant stress loads. It can withstand a delta v of 7,000 mph (3.1 km/s) and is able to undergo re-entry without damage, firing a gun from a bay mounted boom arm will hardly rattle it. The TU-16 the gun was originally mounted to likely had a weaker air-frame and survived its firing.

That's all fine in theory, but there is no rl basis and you didn't get explicit GM permission for it.

[Maelstrom Vortex]

Didn't need to. The systems exist. A 23 has been fired from a stable space mounted platform.. well, that's what it's on. All the 37 did was carry it and it has done that many times with various mission packages. So yes, there is an rl basis for those of us willing to read up on historical space-based weaponry.

 

Aircraft and space craft change payloads all the time.

 

Are we going to have to seek gm approval each time a new shuttle launches? :P

Edited October 21, 2014 by Maelstrom Vortex

[Evangeline Anovilis]

Didn't need to. The systems exist. A 23 has been fired from a stable space mounted platform.. well, that's what it's on. All the 37 did was carry it and it has done that many times with various mission packages. So yes, there is an rl basis for those of us willing to read up on historical space-based weaponry.

 

Aircraft and space craft change payloads all the time.

 

Are we going to have to seek gm approval each time a new shuttle launches? :P

If you use it as a weapon without actual IRL equivalent, yes.

[Centurius]

Didn't need to. The systems exist. A 23 has been fired from a stable space mounted platform.. well, that's what it's on. All the 37 did was carry it and it has done that many times with various mission packages. So yes, there is an rl basis for those of us willing to read up on historical space-based weaponry.

 

Aircraft and space craft change payloads all the time.

 

Are we going to have to seek gm approval each time a new shuttle launches? :P

F-23s, upgraded Iowas beyond rl and upgraded Kirovs all use existing systems that could be used on those platforms, they all needed permission.

 

The X-47B is in a much more advanced stage of use than the X-37 and is actually intended for military purposes however it got wiped because it wasn't a finished product yet.

 

Yes, you need permission for this stuff.

[Generalissimo]

Weeks ago before the war in Europe started Vostokslavia secretly developed "nuklear wepuns" and planted them in the world's capitals. Now the time had come and the nuclear weapons detonated and destroyed the world's capitals. Both sides would find themselves facing an enemy so great that they would have no choice but to unite against it.

Going to require a couple spy rolls here.

[Maelstrom Vortex]

If you use it as a weapon without actual IRL equivalent, yes.

 

It HAS an rl equivalent. The Salyut-3 and the Almaz designs. Literally, all the X-37B is doing is there sitting as an object for the gun to be carried upon.

 

@Cent: i have no idea what the military has planned for the X-47, that's not part of this discussion. They'll probably be doing something much more flashy than sticking a cannon on a boom arm to decimate enemy satellite networks. I just know what the payload I put on the craft is intended for.

Edited October 21, 2014 by Maelstrom Vortex

[Generalissimo]

The X37 system was designed to carry a cargo. The cannon is that cargo and has been fired from a stable space platform. The cannon is the actual weapon and has been tested on stationary mounts in space successfully without damage to the craft it was attached to up to as many as 3 times til the clip was emptied. The systems function independently of each other except for positioning and transferring communications about targeting from sensors. That said, both systems have been used in roles they have traditionally filled and have not caused interference in other systems they have been connected to. A cannon which mounted to an orbital body has successfully been tested and fired without damage to its much older and fragile cold-war mount the Salyut 3 of the Almaz line of soviet satellites. There were concerns the guns would damage the Salyut on firing, but this didn't happen. Salyut 3 wasn't required to withstand re-entry, just launch stresses. Additionally the space plane is actually designed to handle significant stress loads. It can withstand a delta v of 7,000 mph (3.1 km/s) and is able to undergo re-entry without damage, firing a gun from a bay mounted boom arm will hardly rattle it. The TU-16 the gun was originally mounted to likely had a weaker air-frame and survived its firing. Given the mere 850 m/s speed of the 173 or 168 gram projectiles the amount of force would not be great enough to compromise the structural integrity or systems of the vessel or come remotely close to doing so.

Yes, you need permission for this stuff.

Maelstrom's best option is just using a Salyut for this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salyut_3#On-board_gun

It's a system already tested.

Edited October 21, 2014 by Generalissimo

[Evangeline Anovilis]

 

It HAS an rl equivalent. The Salyut-3 and the Almaz designs.

But it isn't a Salyut-3, nor an Almaz for that matter. So, it has no equivalent. It's pretty much an autocannon, of which we know it emptied a small clip of ammo into space before it was scrapped, used on a spaceplane, which was never made to carry such arms.

[Centurius]

But it isn't a Salyut-3, nor an Almaz for that matter. So, it has no equivalent. It's pretty much an autocannon, of which we know it emptied a small clip of ammo into space before it was scrapped, used on a spaceplane, which was never made to carry such arms.

And is still in testing.

[Maelstrom Vortex]

The x-37 b just completed a 2 year orbital flight. I'd say that's enough to say it's a more than viable system. It's being hailed as a huge success. And Evangeline, you're now making claims that are purely speculative. We know the space plane was designed to carry payloads, which it has done repeatedly. No one said it would NOT carry arms. In fact the wiki page suggests speculation to the exact opposite of your statement is more common. The autocannon has been tested in other ways as well and has proven extremely accurate and reliable. Thus why it was one of the most broadly deployed autocannons in soviet aviation, being featured on many tupelov and mig designs.

 

I doubt the soviets would have used an inaccurate weapon in such prominence.

Edited October 21, 2014 by Maelstrom Vortex

[Triyun]

I doubt the soviets would have used an inaccurate weapon in such prominence.

 

Other points aside which I'll edit in later.  Its called the AK-47.

[Lysergide]

 

Other points aside which I'll edit in later.  Its called the AK-47.

 

Yeah, no, It isn't inaccurate, its is accurate enough and does the purpose it was built for which followed Soviet Doctrine of overwhelming fire power.

[Malatose]

I can do even better. Any Soviet missile with an enlarged warhead.

[Triyun]

 

Yeah, no, It isn't inaccurate, its is accurate enough and does the purpose it was built for which followed Soviet Doctrine of overwhelming fire power.

That's still inaccurate compared to its contemporaries, trading accuracy for volume still means low accuracy.

[Lysergide]

That's still inaccurate compared to its contemporaries, trading accuracy for volume still means low accuracy.

 

Uncared for ones, which are inaccurate no doubt, are not a comparison to a one that was well maintained and well machined. AK-47's can be very accurate.

[Hereno]

I can do even better. Any Soviet missile with an enlarged warhead.

i have one of these in my pants and let me tell you it's the most accurate weapon i've ever fired

[Generalissimo]

I need every finished product in the Procinctia Armament thread reviewed by our GM staff.

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/121514-procinctia-armament-mark-iv-arm-harder/

Thank you for your service.

Edited October 21, 2014 by Generalissimo