An Imperial Decree

[Longshadow]

So, I just want to make sure that I get my facts straight here. There are a lot of posts and I don't have enough of an attention span to read through them all:

1. NSO declares war on Kaskus
2. TSL, a treatied alliance with Kaskus, sends aid to Kaskus
3. NSO is declares war on TSL for sending aid to Kaskus

 

Is that about right? I know that you declaring on them is a valid CB, but I really don't why NSO is so appalled by their actions. It's a customary and expected act for an alliance to send aid to a treatied alliance that has had acts of aggression committed against them. And yes, I think the majority of Planet Bob would agree that you are the aggressors because we don't buy into the arguments that defending alliance mates is aggression.

 

1) PPO is butthurt that their protectorate made a stupid mistake and wants to brush it under the rug

2) PPO realizes it cannot brush it under the rug

3) PPO puffs themselves up to make NSO back off

 

Seems legit bro.

 

One can see where you find the situation "stupid", because you've been lied to.

 

A perfect example of how the conversation went on my end is the PM that Rayvon posted of mine that I sent to him, read it and then tell us all that my tone was instigating and aggressive, you honestly can't because it wasn't and I maintained a polite and neutral like attitude, until I understood that Rayvon would have nothing to do with or discuss anything other than a Kaskus "surrender". It went downhill from there as I felt that I was talking to a stump after that, Rayvon is dead set in getting a victory to boast about and for him to say different is a lie.

 

Many avenues have been offered to them other than surrender. They don't have to pay any reparations or do anything of the like. Defeat does not imply surrender, defeat implies they fought on the field of battle and lost to a superior force. When you lose a football game you don't surrender, you lost on the field. Kaskus has fought and now all that needs to happen is them to admit they can't continue outside of maybe 3-5 nations with adequate enough warchests to keep fighting.

 

Also we aren't dead set upon victory, victory will come to us in time. The delusion you want to live in is that you are winning or anywhere near getting that draw you seek. There is no draw, there is only loss.

[hapapants]

So, I just want to make sure that I get my facts straight here. There are a lot of posts and I don't have enough of an attention span to read through them all:

1. NSO declares war on Kaskus
2. TSL, a treatied alliance with Kaskus, sends aid to Kaskus
3. NSO is declares war on TSL for sending aid to Kaskus

 

Is that about right? I know that you declaring on them is a valid CB, but I really don't why NSO is so appalled by their actions. It's a customary and expected act for an alliance to send aid to a treatied alliance that has had acts of aggression committed against them. And yes, I think the majority of Planet Bob would agree that you are the aggressors because we don't buy into the arguments that defending alliance mates is aggression.

 

I don't think anyone is "appalled" by DoorNail aiding Kaskus.  Aiding your allies in a time of war is honorable.

 

The issue here is how unwilling DoorNail is to accept the consequences of his actions. 

[Rayvon]

One can see where you find the situation "stupid", because you've been lied to.

 

A perfect example of how the conversation went on my end is the PM that Rayvon posted of mine that I sent to him, read it and then tell us all that my tone was instigating and aggressive, you honestly can't because it wasn't and I maintained a polite and neutral like attitude, until I understood that Rayvon would have nothing to do with or discuss anything other than a Kaskus "surrender". It went downhill from there as I felt that I was talking to a stump after that, Rayvon is dead set in getting a victory to boast about and for him to say different is a lie.

 

edit..to mention the aid is just an attempt to cover his ass, Rayvon is smart enough to distinguish between somebody that came out of nowhere to assist in a peace process and somebody that sent aid to instigate the war further. For him to suggest that the aid is the only reason for this DoW is simply not true. I'm almost certain, that if I'd have agreed with Rayvon and promised to go to Kaskus and tried to talk them into surrendering, there'd be no DoW on TSL.

 

You know, you've thrown that bullshit 'liar' remark around a dozen times here. Slander will get you nowhere except deeper in the hole.

 

[url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/115390-an-imperial-decree/?p=3096487]Full logs of our convo are available right here within the spoiler for full context.[/url] Should anyone desire a 'perfect example' as to how the conversation went, that is.

 

I don't give a flying fuck what your reason for the aid was. You sent the aid. Period. You and everyone else were told not. And you willfully did so. That's what matters. There's no excuses necessary.

 

You done fucked up boy.

[Lurunin]

1- ppo acknowledges DN fucked up. Hell I've told him as much. 2- ppo doesn't care if its swept under the rug or not, we just want the bullcrap related to a stupid war resolved. The fact that its NSO complaining that the only reason this entire fiasco isn't alrdy dealt with is because they refuse to grant white peace to Kaskus is just simply ironic as hell considering that Legion war awhile back.


Also you see one person who is in love with more so much he leads the department for it bumping his chest and say that we are threatening NSO. I can honestly say we have not done so, but I do appreciate the threats against us ;)

DN fucked up and is taking punishment for it. I'm completely fine with that. The part I don't agree with is 1- the entire alliance was attacked and 2- attempts to rectify the situation were not taken with the protector of the alliance.

I contacted DN to cease all aid immediately after being notified and 3aid packages were cancelled. The only reason the others weren't were due to them being alrdy accepted. Resolution was simple as that. Nothing more, nothing less. Don't go acting like its normal to attack a protectorate without first bringing the protector up to speed with the situation and attempt to resolve it. Hell I'll grant 200 tech after the real war is over to nation of choice to the first person to show me otherwise. Until then, enjoy your soapbox NSO, I await to see RV leading you guys again now that you've decided to take this route

[DoorNail]

You behave like one of these in this thread. I'm sure we all can guess which.

 

I really do feel sorry for Ace for having to deal with this. He seems like a good guy and doesn't really deserve the beating you brought to him. I feel sorry for the rest of The Shadow Legacy as well, for having to hide in peace because your stubbornness. Have you considered apologizing to the people that look to you as a leader? Because I know if I had such a devastatingly incompetent leader, I would like an apology! Luckily for me, the leader of my alliance isn't like you.

Yes, I have here in this thread, but you need to take into account that when this thread was made, attacks on TSL had already happened, I'm obviously going to be ticked for feeling like I wasted my time attempting to go out of my way to assist with peace, only to find that Rayvon is intoxicated with power, while hanging onto other alliances for support, so IMO, without the support of the allies holding his hand and swelling his head up to near bucket sized capacity, this war would've been over a long time ago.

 

To me it doesn't make a lot of sense to go to war over an aid package, when declaring war will cost a bunch more than said aid package, but I suppose a big ego needs to be fed and blood spilled of others is nothing to a tyrant like mentality.

 

I wanted this war ended, that's a fact. To declare war and use the aid as an excuse is Rayvon taking advantage of the power that his allies have given him.

[Rayvon]

Don't go acting like its normal to attack a protectorate without first bringing the protector up to speed with the situation and attempt to resolve it. Hell I'll grant 200 tech after the real war is over to nation of choice to the first person to show me otherwise. Until then, enjoy your soapbox NSO, I await to see RV leading you guys again now that you've decided to take this route

One half of their protectors they're hard at work protecting. He was absolutely obligated and biting at the chomp to fullfill his treaty obligation to protect his protector. PPO is in a shitty situation here unfortunately, but that's frankly not my concern. As per our conversation on IRC the other day (the one I ended with liar remark), I had strongly considered lowering to only hitting DN regardless of the fact that he's a decision maker for the alliance as a whole. But his conduct tells me no.

[DoorNail]

You know, you've thrown that bullshit 'liar' remark around a dozen times here. Slander will get you nowhere except deeper in the hole.

 

Full logs of our convo are available right here within the spoiler for full context. Should anyone desire a 'perfect example' as to how the conversation went, that is.

 

I don't give a flying fuck what your reason for the aid was. You sent the aid. Period. You and everyone else were told not. And you willfully did so. That's what matters. There's no excuses necessary.

 

You done fucked up boy.

You are a liar and I've shown proof of it, today as a matter of fact.

 

See that's how it works, when you lie people get to call you a liar.

[Longshadow]

The fact that its NSO complaining that the only reason this entire fiasco isn't alrdy dealt with is because they refuse to grant white peace to Kaskus is just simply ironic as hell considering that Legion war awhile back.

 

Cute, please tell me how Kaskus deserves to be told "Hey here is white peace for such an good job fighting!" They don't, they fucked with us and fucked with us and told us to "bring it." So we did, then when the chips were down and they started dropping hard they kept shouting "White peace white peace!" Only we didn't give a crap at that point. We still don't give a crap, they don't deserve white peace to think they do after being dropped to 4/5ths of their NS and chopping on our lower tiers is ludicrous.

 

They have lost the war, they are now under 9k ANS and under 280k TNS, at what point do they give up? They are living on 4.5mil aid packages and because they are all hovering under or right at 1k infra its easy to stay alive for a round with that kind of money. Yet that is all they are doing, surviving. Survival does not include victory, if they want the war to end they can come to us and say "Hey good war let's call it a day," Then we could all go home happy campers because they'd have admitted they lost while fighting well and we'd have gotten what we want/deserve.

 

I'm sick and tired of listening to you defend Kaskus and TSL with words like "mistake" and such they royally fucked up. As such we punched them in the mouth and they cried foul, now they are so upset about getting punched in the face they won't admit they got punched in the face.

 

Yes, I have here in this thread, but you need to take into account that when this thread was made, attacks on TSL had already happened, I'm obviously going to be ticked for feeling like I wasted my time attempting to go out of my way to assist with peace, only to find that Rayvon is intoxicated with power, while hanging onto other alliances for support, so IMO, without the support of the allies holding his hand and swelling his head up to near bucket sized capacity, this war would've been over a long time ago.

 

To me it doesn't make a lot of sense to go to war over an aid package, when declaring war will cost a bunch more than said aid package, but I suppose a big ego needs to be fed and blood spilled of others is nothing to a tyrant like mentality.

 

I wanted this war ended, that's a fact. To declare war and use the aid as an excuse is Rayvon taking advantage of the power that his allies have given him.

 

You want Kaskus to get white peace, you wanted a lot of things. Yet you don't seem to understand that you fucked up and lost the right to get anything when you sent AID to our ENEMIES. You keep insulting the Emperor, its okay the rest of the world is watching you do it and looking at you like you are a fool.

 

You are a liar and I've shown proof of it, today as a matter of fact.

 

See that's how it works, when you lie people get to call you a liar.

 

I don't see a single lie in there, I don't see a single thing you've called him out on. How about you explicitly show and explain what the lie is and how it is a lie.

 

When you do that, without including buzz words or biases I'll give you a high five. But for now continue spouting your bullshit and continue to enjoy your ride to ZI.

[Rayvon]

You are a liar and I've shown proof of it, today as a matter of fact.
 
See that's how it works, when you lie people get to call you a liar.

You can call me God King of the World while you're at it. Still nothing tangible has been shown to prove it's so. You're throwing words and accusations like feces.

[AngryMidget]

You are a liar and I've shown proof of it, today as a matter of fact.

 

See that's how it works, when you lie people get to call you a liar.

What is your game here? Scream "Liar!" until it becomes true? You've posted stuff, yes, but I don't see anything that points towards a lie.

I've seen a lot of dense people on these forums, but I really do think you've taken the cake.

[DoorNail]

go to post number 165 for the lie Rayvon told today, thanks ;)

[Griff]

You are a liar and I've shown proof of it, today as a matter of fact.

 

See that's how it works, when you lie people get to call you a liar.

Yeah I don't think anyone is buying it. You should stick to pretending he's the next evil, immoral whatever it was.

[Rayvon]

go to post number 165 for the lie Rayvon told today, thanks ;)

There's no lie in the fact that you, DoorNail, can NOT change anything.

[Longshadow]

 

 

There's no need of me trying to discuss anything about this to you Rayvon, you can't keep from telling lies.

 

 

I
don't know why GOONS has to shove their two cents into something that's
none of their concern, but it would be wise of you to back away from
this.

 

Oh you mean the post where he refuted you with why he responded the way he did?

 

Hah! You are so full of shit its not even funny!

[AngryMidget]

go to post number 165 for the lie Rayvon told today, thanks ;)

Oh [i]snap[/i]! You're right! That out of context quote has shot our legs out from underneath us. We should probably disband now to avoid our horrible liar of an Emperor.

 

Please surrender now and save the rest of TSL pain for your mouth breathing.

[Tasuki]

Rayvon doesnt lie

[DoorNail]

no, no, no, it's not out of context, he clearly said that he never said that, I shown that he did.

[Corinan]

 But for now continue spouting your bullshit and continue to enjoy your ride to ZI.

 

It's going to be a relatively short ride, to be honest. I'll give it one war cycle. How long he's kept there could be an entirely different matter, however. I vote forever and ever.

[USMC123]

no, no, no, it's not out of context, he clearly said that he never said that, I shown that he did.

 

You are either a complete moron or a genius.  I'm not sure which.

[Longshadow]

no, no, no, it's not out of context, he clearly said that he never said that, I shown that he did.

 

You mean that he never said it RELATED TO KASKUS, please stop mis-matching Ravyon quotes together to attempt to get what you want. You look more like a fool than ever.

 

It's going to be a relatively short ride, to be honest. I'll give it one war cycle. How long he's kept there could be an entirely different matter, however. I vote forever and ever.

 

I vote to keep him there forever.

[Corinan]

You are either a complete moron or a genius.  I'm not sure which.

 

I am.

[DoorNail]

If I wanted to avoid the consequences of my actions, wouldn't I be in peace mode right now?

 

Think about it, I had nearly a week from the time I sent aid till this DoW..If I wanted to instigate war like this DoW claims, then wouldn't that be kind of dumb to sit and wait to be attacked?

 

let's not let logic or facts get in the way though, let's believe everything NSO says. /sarc lol

[Griff]

You did this hoping we wouldn't respond. Guess you were wrong.

[Corinan]

If I wanted to avoid the consequences of my actions, wouldn't I be in peace mode right now?

 

Think about it, I had nearly a week from the time I sent aid till this DoW..If I wanted to instigate war like this DoW claims, then wouldn't that be kind of dumb to sit and wait to be attacked?

 

let's not let logic or facts get in the way though, let's believe everything NSO says. /sarc lol

 

If you jumped into peace mode, then you wouldn't get to martyr yourself on the OWF. You think what you're doing is somehow new and innovative?

[Longshadow]

If I wanted to avoid the consequences of my actions, wouldn't I be in peace mode right now?

 

Think about it, I had nearly a week from the time I sent aid till this DoW..If I wanted to instigate war like this DoW claims, then wouldn't that be kind of dumb to sit and wait to be attacked?

 

let's not let logic or facts get in the way though, let's believe everything NSO says. /sarc lol

 

Oh please you thought you were untouchable. You thought like others have that we wouldn't do anything about it. Don't go trying to "logic" your way out of this. If you had any sense/logic you would have come to us WITH Kaskus to resolve the matter diplomatically but you didn't because you are an idiot.