TehChron

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1321995293' post='2849229'] Since when point out hypocrisy the hypocrisy of those who were criticizing Xiphosis and now are doing the same thing he did is [i]ad hominem[/i]? [/quote] Why did they let you have a government office? I mean, at least I come across as a rational individual some of the time. You can't even manage that much. I'm frankly baffled. No but that being said Congrats, once again, to the Random Insanity Alliance on the acquisition of a fine, fine meatshield.

[quote name='Londo Mollari' timestamp='1321995170' post='2849227'] I don't think Polar could pull a FAN. They'd crumble. [/quote] What does FAN have to do with hiding in a corner hoping RV doesnt notice them?

[quote name='Londo Mollari' timestamp='1321994832' post='2849223'] This man knows what he's talking about. Why is there so much of an obsession to roll Superfriends when Lolblue is the most offensive enemy around these days? Everyone just needs to join hands and put Lolblue out of its misery. Besides, Ordo Paradoxia has already effectively defeated GOD. The powers that be should take out the blue sphere before Vlad and RV upstage them there too! [/quote] With Polaris in peace mode already, I think it's safe to say that it's already too late for that! I mean, I understand the strategy: Lord knows I'd never want to face down an angry RV in a dark alley on my own without some treaty chains as backup. So I guess hiding in a corner until the threat passes is strategically acceptable. But damn it's lame nonetheless.

[quote name='dcrews20' timestamp='1321973373' post='2849007'] TOP has a good reason to hate you. As does the rest of BOB, so why don't you own up like a man instead of running away like a !@#$%. [/quote] He's not running away, he's just still trying to fit into Sponge's shoes despite it being years of him not being able to live up to his example. When you see a [i]real[/i] Glorious !@#$%^&, it's pretty difficult to be impressed with posers. I think that what Polaris should keep in mind isn't that they're the victim of some grand scheme, or fate is just against them, or anything like that. The New Polar Order is just a bunch of jackasses. They have been since they were founded. And the height of their power was when they were able to honestly leverage that aspect of their personality. They then fell from grace when they decided to be (a la Grub) cowardly opportunists rather than balls-out Magnificent !@#$%^&*. And the consequences of those acts of opportunism and cowardice have lead Polaris to where it is now. A pretty sad alliance that needs to rely upon the institutionalization of Peace Mode, and then rationalize it as being a "smart war time tactic", when the only reason they're afraid of war is due to the consequences of their own actions and poorly hidden paranoia. I've watched the New Polar Order since it was founded. And even though my opinion doesn't count for !@#$, that doesn't make me any less right. Frankly, y'all suck. I mean, you are a pretty terrible alliance. By your own hands, too. Which makes it even sadder. I like RIA, though. Good on you guys for taking the smart option of using a meatshield. You guys really will need it, and let's be honest, so many people are gonna want a piece of Polaris that they'll probably take some offensive slots off you guys when the war actually comes. Good luck, RIA.

[quote name='Dexomega' timestamp='1321990785' post='2849171'] I approve of the image, however I'm not sure about the rest of the comment. Mostly because I'm not sure if you mean speechless in a good or bad way. [/quote] He's been rendered speechless by the sheer depth of your ignorance. I mean, I know that you're in UPN, which implies that your ability to notice your surroundings is comparable to a turkey looking up in a rainstorm, but you have simply got to realize that no matter what you do, what you say, or how you posture; As a general rule, RV is better than you. It's Rebel Virginia's Law. No matter what, RV always wins. Even when he loses, he has still won. Resistance is futile.

[quote name='Llanowar Elf' timestamp='1321947559' post='2848861'] Man, now your going to force our youngins to knock an old fart of his rocking chair. Ahh well. Think he fell off the rocker long ago actually...I particularly enjoyed where you asked for monetary help, lol. Anyways, i look forward to see you do...something. [/quote] That's how I've felt about Polaris for the past year or so, actually. Anyway, Godspeed, FAIL. Godspeed. Edit: [quote name='NoMercy' timestamp='1321948328' post='2848863'] NpO must be afraid..being in peace mode and all... [/quote] You'd think that they'd at least put up a fight before giving in to the mighty FAIL warmachine.

[quote name='USMC123' timestamp='1321905264' post='2848264'] You missed the joke :< EDIT: Well maybe not. Maybe I missed yours :V [/quote] Well, I'll make one to help round things out: To the alliance of Happy Boat, I hope you live up to your name. In a very literal sense.

[quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1321114838' post='2843742'] We need more callouts. [/quote] Ill get right on that, boss. Also. Hal. This is Pretty Bad.

Congrats to Deinos in how far they've come.

[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1320645089' post='2840918'] Shall I dig up the post of mine showing TehChron and Varianz (well Krunk and Charles Stuart as well, but neither of them matter) did acknowledge their 1v1 taunts? [/QUOTE]Such a post doesnt exist. The only one acknowledging such a taunt in the only post youve made to that effect featured myself admitting it. A far cry from what you're trying to present that as. Edit: Also im never really around on the weekends. I think ive told you that before?

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1320630609' post='2840759'] [color="#0000FF"]Do I need to dig up Rush's post where after countless hours of looking he found absolutely no members of the NSO saying that we could beat Legion on our own?[/color] [/quote] No, RV, he just couldn't find anyone [i]that mattered[/i]. I will freely admit to having made those taunts. Congratulations on the peace to all involved. I sincerely didn't believe that the Legion had this much fight in them. [quote]Once again I find some reason to admire Umbrella and want to emulate them.[/quote]Hal. I say this as a friend and acquaintance. For your own good, quit trying to be a low-rent Schattenman. It's painful to watch. [quote name='JOSEPHIVS MAGNVS' timestamp='1320614507' post='2840559'] Congrats to all parts. To the enemies I have fought during my short time in the conflict: -DarknessDecends or Ambigua (Tetris) -Ollanius Pius of Imperium of Man (NSO) -Te[b]h[/b]chron of Chronorica (NSO) -Turin of Fictinal Nation (NSO) -another one I may have forgotten... I salute you, no hard feelings gentlemen . [/quote] You were the one to put the final nail in my coffin, so props to you for being effective down there. I had honestly thought the only one of you guys worthwhile at that range was jacka, so good on you for correcting that horrible miscalculation on my part. As for most of the Legionarres I fought? Well, you can't remember the ones that didn't leave an impression, I guess. But congratulations for giving me my first wartime anarchies since 2008. Really. It was a good war.

[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1320264698' post='2837166'] ..Okay whats all the uproar about? Is this a star wars reference I don't get again? [/quote] The guy who is on the ground there is about to become one of the biggest badasses in pop culture history in a few scenes from that point. Basically it's really bad.

[quote name='Lusitan' timestamp='1320256705' post='2837109'] Congratulations, you're defending Tetris. Now what? [/quote] The Legion are the ones crying victim, pointing out the obvious serves it's own purpose.

[quote name='Flonker' timestamp='1320178411' post='2836645'] How's that workin' out for ya? [/quote] Better than you can imagine, as a matter of fact. Hahaha.

[quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1320174571' post='2836602'] So by that measure, NSO has always thought Legion was a worthwhile alliance eh? Kind of detracts from what ya'll have stated in the past. [/quote] I don't know about anyone calling the Legion "worthless", but I've only ever called them "insurmountably terrible" and stuff like that. [quote]Actually, the second Tetris leaves, nothing changes. NSO is still the one refusing to surrender to Legion. That does not mean Legion is trying to hit just NSO, it means that Legion will not accept white peace with NSO. Nothing more, nothing less. I have backed up what I stated. You are the one who has come here spewing crap and trying to spin !@#$ left, right, and center without even attempting to back anything up. [/quote] You havn't backed up a thing. So what crap have I been spewing without any backing up, then? The way callouts work is that when you do so, you shove evidence into the persons face so that they're unable to wriggle out of it. [quote]Okay, do I really need to break this down for ya? Apparently so: 1) Legion states NSO must admit defeat to get peace 2) NSO refuses to admit defeat and counters with white peace 3) Legion refuses the white peace offer I would say that ya'll made this war about yourselves, not Legion. Legion went in with what they believe is a reasonable offer and NSO refused. NSO countered with what ya'll believe is a reasonable offer and Legion refused. [/quote]So again, based on your bullet points, the Legion made this war about the NSO because we refused to get anything other than a white peace? OK. I disagree with the premise, but if that's your argument, well, nothing I can really do to contradict you, there. [quote]So yes, what I stated makes perfect sense. What you are stating though makes no sense except as an obvious PR attempt. So at least you seem to care about PR, regardless of how NSO feels.[/quote]That's true, actually. I care about it like I care about any other game, in that I always try to play to win, regardless of the circumstances.

[quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1320173835' post='2836591'] There is an ODN joke, really a dozen really, that could be inserted here but I will not stray that far off the topic... Not what I said. What I said was that you had a choice whether or not to defend an ally that screwed up. You chose to defend them. I was not faulting on that point, but like all decisions, it has consequences, sometimes good, sometimes bad, sometimes, both.[/quote] [quote]You made the decision to support Tetris. That much is understandable in a way, since you helped put them in the mess they are in. [/quote]You certainly implied it as if it were some kind of negative action on our part. But I'll leave it at that. [quote]If Tetris wasn't busy provoking Legion in the first place, the current war would not have happened. Assign blame where it belongs. Actually, Legion waiting for the downgrade almost sounds like actual strategy. [/quote]Everyone and their mother has provoked the Legion for years. What's unusual is that the Legion actually did something about it, when the NSO did something far more blatant just a few months ago and the Legion did nothing in response. [quote]Then if they do, you're good with that...I'm sure that comes as something noteworthy to them.[/quote]Quit being obtuse, Hal. [quote]The day you can lecture me on doing right by friends is the day that Valhalla and IRON stop arguing over who is going to stay longer on the battlefield for the other...in other words, never. [/quote]The day you can back up either one of your claims, the first of us being fair weather friends, and the second being that youre any better, I freely invite for you to prove them both. So lecture away, Hal.

[quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1320173085' post='2836578'] Since the point was missed I suppose... Firing the first shot doesn't necessarily make you the aggressor, neither here or "elsewhere". It is a question of provocation. A war declaration involving evidence of spying has traditionally been seen as a justifiable reaction to provocation, not an aggressive action. There are other forms of provocation that are recognized as well, but the point is that it is inappropriate to call Legion the aggressor, unless you are trying to build a case against Legion that will provide other alliances with a justification for entering a war in which they have no business being involved in. [/quote]When did the Legion obtain evidence of Tetris spying? Since, to my limited knowledge, the Legion never did, that makes your entire point kind of moot, you know?

[quote name='Lurunin' timestamp='1320172726' post='2836573'] mind posting them again? i can't seem to find said logs [/quote] They're the ones with NsO and stuff from a couple of weeks ago. It's quite the random reference on his part.

[quote name='Fallen Fool' timestamp='1320172206' post='2836567'] Are you NSO government? [/quote] Are you going to do anything other cry victim whenever people think about liking us more than they do you? Feel free to interject when you have something to contribute other than a stunning display of hypocrisy, FF.

[quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1320171714' post='2836560'] Again, that has nothing to do with what I actually stated, nor does it refute anything. So far the only thing respectable done by Tetris/NSO is the fact that both are willing to burn for their allies. Other than that, both ya'lls alliances are utterly worthless. [/quote] Which is pretty funny considering you joined the Legion just to get a shot at us. So by some personal measure, you must think that we are worth enough that you want to do whatever you can to ensure we lose on the battlefield. [quote]And you would be wrong. NSO still DoWed Legion regardless of what you state. That would not change simply because Tetris leaves the field. So you can attempt to spin it however way you wish but it does not make what you state any less false.[/quote]The second the Legion's war with Tetris ends, we wouldnt have any more reason to fight. So if the Legion continues fighting us, it's pretty clear that they're doing it to hit us exclusively, rather than as a continuation of their fighting with the Tetris. So...how would I be wrong? Really? Just saying "UR WRONG" doesn't make me wrong. If you're going to state something as an irrefutable fact, you better be prepared to back it up. [quote]Legion is giving a perfectly reasonable term for surrender. NSO is not willing to accept said term. Yet you attempt to blame Legion for something NSO is unwilling to do. Again, spin it however way you want but it is NSO that is holding up the war, not Legion. Tetris are staying in because NSO won't admit defeat and that is simple fact. So yes, it is NSO's fault. [/quote] Hrm. I see. So the Legion made the war about us because the NSO refused to surrender to the Legion. Yes, that makes perfect sense, Doch. I can totally see how you're not even remotely explaining things, and just arguing on about how terrible we are regardless of who and what comments you're replying to. [quote name='Fallen Fool' timestamp='1320171869' post='2836562'] So their hubris is preventing them from surrendering? [/quote] I like how you accuse others of having hubris when your collective response to people distrusting your alliance after a massive series of betrayals is to grow a martyr complex. It's really, really, [i]really[/i] funny.

[quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1320170829' post='2836550'] Wrong already, that's simple NSO propaganda, but continuing... [/quote] Of course, of course, Tetris actually spied on the Legion, and declared war, and all that good stuff. We're such blatant liars, Hal. [quote] I can't think of a single alliance worth mentioning that would have done anything but declare war given a free shot at Tetris. Very few who would back down even in the face of other alliances coming to Tetris' aid. Make up your mind. Legion is WAE because they always backdown, or Legion is WAE because they are too aggressive. You can't have both.[/quote]Sure I can. Legion is WAE because they make the wrong decisions based on the circumstances. Were they consistent in a single course of policy, then over the years it stands to reason that [i]eventually[/i] they'd have some real successes before now. But the only thing consistent about Legion's FA has been both ineptitude and servitude. False dichotomy, Hal. Legion is terrible, because they find the best way to be terrible all on their own, regardless of the context. [quote]So much spinning, I'm dizzy. You made the decision to support Tetris. That much is understandable in a way, since you helped put them in the mess they are in.[/quote] Well, there was also the thing about this treaty we have together...Unless you're saying MDPs are suddenly optional now. Which is news to me, quite frankly. [quote] Fair enough. But Legion's response was made as a result of [i]provocations made by Tetris[/i]. It is [b]not[/b] by definition an aggressive act, since Legion was [i]justifiably reacting[/i] to that provocation, and did not pick out Tetris to shoot at for lulz or for unjustifiable reasons.[/quote] That would be correct if Tetris hadnt attempted to resolve the situation via Diplomacy, if the Legion hadn't waited nearly a week to declare (when VE had downgraded it's treaty with them), and if the Legion had actually bothered to discover who the leak in their alliance was instead of look for the easiest scapegoat to hit at the first opportunity. And [i]you're[/i] dizzy. [quote]Given that you would never, ever let them forget leaving the battlefield without you much as you never, ever let Legion forget about its previous shortcomings, this is laughable. Actually, Tetris should cancel the treaty today and be done with you, but I know that's not how they roll. They are in their own way honorable, even if they did things that brought them to the point of war and should apologize for them. [/quote] Sure we would. Since Tetris are pretty good allies. That you're implying that we are, in any way, keeping Tetris under some kind of threat of retaliation should they peace out before us is beyond laughable. Just because you can't fathom the idea of people doing right by their friends, does not mean others are incapable of that, you know? Keep it up, by the way, this is fun.

[quote name='the rebel' timestamp='1320169466' post='2836544'] You took an aggressive action by declaring war to defend an ally. We can go around in nice circles all day with this.[/quote]So whatever happened to this? [quote]Global wars start through the chaining in of Military Defense Pacts on both sides. So if what you said was true then only the alliance that was first attacked can bring in alliances through MDP's and no one else... Which is false, so maybe you dont know what you're on about with all the spinning you're doing. [/quote] Weren't you supposed to demonstrate how I said that at any point? Well, being obtuse works too, since it allows us to "go in nice circles all day with this", which is fun in it's own right. [quote]Legion isn't keeping you at war, you're through not accepting a peace offer which is basically on the same lines as white peace with just afew more words added. [/quote] Legion can simply declare an end to hostilities at any point, after all, they're "winning", right? So they don't really need us to acknowledge a thing, right? "Facts" and whatnot. [quote]On the first point- I stated you attacked Legion to defend Tetris, but NSO was the alliance who attacked Legion. So your claims that Legion somehow aggressively attacked NSO is false. [/quote]Sorry, Doch, what I'm saying is that [i]if Legion were to peace out Tetris, yet still fight us, the moment that the first one of their members did any damage to a member of the NSO would constitute an aggressive act of war on their part.[/i] When Tetris has been peaced out, the New Sith Order will no longer have anyone to defend. Therefore, we wouldn't be needing to honor our treaty with them in fighting the Legion. The Legion is free to reciprocate, but I believe the New Sith Order will be fine with a simple peacing out once the war with Tetris is completed. [quote]On the second point- Again, never stated that either. Simply stated that it is fact that Tetris is still currently in this war because of NSO not wanting to admit defeat to get peace. That is fact. You can go all sarcastic as you want but that is simple fact. Instead of being sarcastic, you should take the time to thank Tetris for being stalwart allies who don't leave their friends alone on the battlefield.[/quote] You and others implied that mightily with all that talk of us keeping Tetris "on the cross" with us, or whatever the terminology used was. And even taking into account that Tetris is still fighting because we are (great guys, those), that doesn't really mean it's our fault. All that means is that Tetris are !@#$@#$ great allies that don't want to leave a friend on the battlefield. Quit trying to make this about the NSO having some kind of martyr complex, when everyone and their mother knows that it's just because we refuse to admit defeat to a terrible alliance like the Legion. If the Legion were so magnanimous, then they'd just white peace with us as well, so that way Tetris can get out from under fire. If I remember correctly, the ones that made this war about the NSO was the Legion. And the Legion started it by attacking Tetris in the first place. So, in all seriousness, how is any of this the fault of the New Sith Order, again?

[quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1320168677' post='2836537'] NSO DoWed Legion, not the other way around, so how in the hell would this war somehow become Legion having aggressively attacked NSO? Legion attacked Tetris and NSO attacked Legion to defend Tetris. Should Tetris leave the battlefield (though I doubt they will from the sounds of it), then the basis of this war is gone, but it would still remain NSO having attacked Legion. [/quote] NSO defended an ally against the Legion's aggressive declaration. There were no attempts at diplomatic resolution, even when Tetris' government attempted to do so. Whether or not it was unwarranted is neither here nor there, the fact remains that the Legion declared war on the basis of someone humiliating them off the grapevine. Unless you're saying Tetris didnt need the help to protect itself against the Legion's attack, it's pretty clearly a defensive reaction on the Sith's part. Therefore, keeping us at war when our obligation to fight has run out makes the war yet another aggressive one on the Legion's part. That's all it is. [quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1320168762' post='2836538'] Talk about PR.... Even Tetris has stated they have been given terms but won't leave due to NSO, not Legion, but NSO. I repeat, Tetris is staying on the battlefield currently because of NSO and no one else. [/quote] Oh, I didn't know that we were holding a gun to their heads. We're pretty terrible allies then. Sorry, Tetris!

[quote name='the rebel' timestamp='1320168346' post='2836532'] Global wars start through the chaining in of Military Defense Pacts on [b]both sides.[/b] So if what you said was true then only the alliance that was first attacked can bring in alliances through MDP's and no one else... Which is false, so maybe you dont know what you're on about with all the spinning you're doing. [/quote] [b]Quote me saying that, then.[/b] All I said was that we were using our MDP to defend an ally, therefore it's a defensive action. The same is true for all MDP activations. By all means, show this wonderful fallacy of mine in all it's glory. Unless you're being obtuse, in which case, don't. The spin game is fun, after all, and there'd be no point in having spinning ability if I didn't have any opponents to test them out against.

[quote name='Lincongrad' timestamp='1320168069' post='2836527'] As far as I know, Tetris is welcome to exit the conflict at any time with a simple admission of defeat. Same as you. There is no need for them to suffer. Admittedly I'm not gov, though. [/quote] I hope that your government is sincere with that offer. I would hate for you to be holding innocent parties at eternal war just because we refuse to surrender before we've lost.