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  1. [quote name='Banedon' timestamp='1320167723' post='2836520'] Your ally transgressed upon our sovereignty, we responded. In our eyes, that makes your war aggressive, not defensive. However that's not the point. NSO don't have to give Legion anything. It would just be extremely wise of you to accept reality. If you don't, we'll just keep grinding away until you finally fact facts, or there's nothing left to grind. [/quote] Thank you kindly for the offer. But why must Tetris suffer over your petty grudge towards us? You know, the one that you all used Tetris as a stepping stone to act upon, when months ago you lacked the nerve to do so? Let them have white peace, and Legion can have it's war to (attempt to) grind us into nonexistence.
  2. [quote name='the rebel' timestamp='1320167516' post='2836516'] Declaring war on another alliance for whatever the reason has always been viewed as an aggressive action on this planet. So I have no idea why you're trying to say your in a defensive war since no one has declared on you [/quote] No it hasn't. At least know what you're talking about when you're making an argument. Either that or quit making random comments. [quote]If that was the case then no global wars would have occured ever due to in your eyes MDP's only work at the start of the conflict. [/quote]That you can't reconcile the facts of the matter with the glaringly obvious answer is indicative of my above point: You don't know what you're talking about.
  3. [quote name='the rebel' timestamp='1320166553' post='2836502'] Declaring war without the justification of self-defense is a war of aggression. [/quote] Defending an ally in honor of a treaty has always been considered to be an act of military defense. Too bad for your semantics argument, I guess. Oh well.
  4. [quote name='the rebel' timestamp='1320162564' post='2836478'] Cool, though from whats been said Tetris is ready to leave so be a man NSO and give them the blessing to since you want to continue rather than keeping them on the cross with you. [/quote] If Tetris is ready to leave, then let them. I have no issue with them peacing out. All that'll be left is an aggressive war being fought against the Sith by the Legion. No need to make it a packaged deal.
  5. [quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1320145205' post='2836386'] Actually, most of the protesting against the concession have cited how NSO entered the war as the reason why it should not be requested of them. I haven't seen any other reason offered other than Heft and RV denying the war is going south for them at the moment which contradicts the comments of others from the NSO.[/quote]What a terribly short memory you have. I've said, repeatedly, that screw the Legion, we won't be surrendering to them, simply because we refuse to when we're far from defeated. But as I said before, when you let the treaty web decide your opinions for you, it isn't too surprising that intellectual dishonesty is your modus operandi. Now then, we may be in a disadvantageous position at present (as expected, given the stats), but we're nowhere near down for the count. If you're going to portray what Heft has said as some kind of repudiation of reality, I really must ask that you get your eyes checked, or to quit pulling nonsense out of thin air. [quote]Forgive me, the person you were replying to was discussing precisely what I continued to talk about. I didn't realise you took one small, irrelevant part of what he said to create a new mini argument. As I said, I'll be sitting over here, let me know when you are done. [/quote] How funny, when he pointed out that the one continuing an irrelevant tangent was yourself. But I suppose that it's not surprising that your perspective is mistaken, or flawed, or deliberately obtuse.
  6. [quote name='Timeline' timestamp='1320124823' post='2836304'] Legion has/is beating down all five alliances and yes its true all five are micro alliances but together had the same numbers as Legion (Yes we all know how you will spin that claiming X, Y and Z did not fight and how they can not be counted and blah blah blah heard it all before), also this is not a military victory for legion not even by a long shot, even if NSO signs peace and admit they lost this still will not be a military victory for legion as legion had nothing to prove and this war wont change how people like FoK views Legion, this war has simply proven that sometimes there's times to shut up and sometime's to slap the cheeky kid (NSO) who punch above his weight class. At the end of this war two things will be clear. 1) NSO admits to losing and everyone goes home 2) NSO admits to losing by begging allies to save them, causing this war to grow over night. [/quote]So? We lose to an alliance a few times our own size, and I eat my own words. Both things that have happened several times before in the past. You're getting much too caught up in your vicarious living through the Legion. That must be terrible, by the way, I certainly wouldn't want to do that. By the way, the only thing you said I caught were the numbered points, the preceding statement was too much of a mess for me to digest. Mind clarifying?
  7. [quote name='Fallen Fool' timestamp='1320123733' post='2836284'] Legion has not, and likely will not, ask for reparations of any kind. [/quote] Because that would be suicide. And if the Legion has proven anything this war, is that they are not as completely terrible as everyone thought they were. So let's give them some credit where it's due, on their outstanding military victories against 2 micros and an alliance that barely even fought. At any rate, this has been a blast thus far. I'm enjoying it, and look forward to seeing it continue for some time.
  8. [quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1320123411' post='2836276'] I put "1v1" in my logs and waded through all the !@#$%^&* to find those 2 logs. Thats all you get. It exists and it proves his point wrong. I'm not going to waste my time finding more ... [/quote] It doesn't. Since the one is of an irrelevant individual who was intentionally just talking smack (hi), and the other was vague and was really only you quoting yourself and someone that apparently had nothing to do with the conversation at hand. And what happened to it only taking "2 seconds of work"? Now it's wading through a bunch of logs and youre too tired to able to put any more work in? Poor Smurf. He can't make the mean old Rush Sykes eat his own words. How sad. In all seriousness, Smurf, quit while you're ahead. You got called out on. Own it. Accept it. Eat it.
  9. [quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1320122305' post='2836255'] On the contrary, I see that most of what NSO has doen here is motivated by pride. I mean, you have surrendered numerous times in your history so you have no issue with surrender itself. You have nothing to fight for here with respect to the loss of some liberty or similar. all you have to fight for here is pride and the need to be seen as not being defeated by Legion. [/quote] Our pride is to not give in to an opponent we've spent a great deal of time mocking and deriding. So what does that have to do with PR, exactly, Tyga? When we surrendered in BiPolar, it wasn't to an opponent we had openly antagonized for months beforehand. When we went to war with RoK, we just didn't get along with them, rather than hold them in utter contempt as being beneath us. Circumstances are different. And everyone with two neurons to rub together knows that. You surely fall into that category, don't you? [quote] The angle I'm going for is lying through my teeth? Not much of an angle to go for really. No, what I am saying is that you spent a bit of time here telling everyone how you do not care about how you are perceived while at the same time going to great lengths to avoid using the "s" word in any peace agreement because doing so will cause you to lose face after months of telling anyone who'd listen that Legion were terrible at war. [/quote] Er...Demonstrate the causation? How does the fact that we, as an alliance, can not stomach the idea of surrendering to the Legion equate to us considering how others besides ourselves view things serve as the motivational factor in that stance? This is why that is bad spin. Because the idea is demonstrably stupid. [quote]I don't really need to spin anything. What is happening is plain to see. I'm not sure what it is I'm lying about as I only passed comment on what appeared to be a contrived and particularly weak attempt to reiterate your "we don't care what anyone thinks of us" meme.[/quote]So you really believe that? Tragic. And here I thought that since you already knew better than that, you would only resort to lying in the face of facts to which you are well aware. I suppose that even you, Tyga, allow the shape of the treaty web to decide your opinions for you. [quote]You picked a fight during months of talking your opponent down. When that fight finally came to you (albeit via an ally of yours who took a similar delight is picking this fight) you find yourself losing the war and now want to walk away without acknowledging that defeat. The only reasons for that are [b]your pride[/b] and that people will mock you for surrendering to an opponent you have long derided as weak and incompetent. Both of which imply that you do really care about how you are perceived which makes a mockery of your claims that you don't care.[/quote] Only the bolded. And kind of you to at least, accidentally, acknowledge that the two are very much separate potential motivations. [quote]No spin, no lies, just an honest appraisal. [/quote] It's pretty obvious that you're being anything but honest, Tyga. [quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1320122534' post='2836265'] Stuarts just in there, you should ignore him as always. That second log was for world conquerer. The contest set by Mr. Sykes was to find two government members stating it and I did with about 2 seconds of work. [/quote] Nope. [quote] Or, to make it easier, [b]find me TWO high gov[/b] posts that suggest this. Or, STFU about it, and stop spewing a tag line because you see it being used elsewhere.[/quote] [quote][b]TWO high gov[/b][/quote] [quote][b]high[/b][/quote] Hence why I compared myself to the Undersecretary of Propaganda in relevance. Really now, Smurf, you continue to disappoint. It saddens me. Try again, Im sure you can succeed if you put forth the effort.
  10. [quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1320122144' post='2836252'] [23:27] <UnknownSmurf> We understand this, which is why we have not done it. Your members have asked many times for a 1v1 though, and I believe a member of your government (I can't remember who off the top of my head) also did. [23:27] <UnknownSmurf> The Legion would easily destroy the NSO 1v1. [23:27] <TehChron> that was me [02:32] <UnknownSmurf> Do you mean the threats by members of NSO government that they would 1v1 us? [02:32] <%Charles_Stuart[NSO]> cant say the same fpor heh [02:32] <%Charles_Stuart[NSO]> lol [02:32] <%Charles_Stuart[NSO]> 1v1? [02:32] <UnknownSmurf> You guys lived up to those well. [02:32] <@WorldConqueror> obviously legion didint accept Stay retired old man. [/quote]Eh, what did Stuart confirm? Exactly? Ah, right, and you're referring to [i]my[/i] pointless taunts? Yeah, I said them. Since when does the lowest rung on the ladder of government mean anything as far as authority figures go? Does your undersecretary of Propaganda have any real weight in the affairs of the Legion? Puh-lease, Smurf. If you're gonna invoke my name as your [i]Sensei of Spin[/i] you simply [i]must[/i] do well enough to make a single challenge from a TLR Triumverate become a millstone around his neck. If you can't even do that, I am afraid that I simply will have to disown you. Hup hup, now, don't disappoint me.
  11. [quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1320120417' post='2836226'] If you didn't care about PR you would have surrendered and moved on, no? The only thing keeping you in this war is your pride from what I can see and that is very closely linked to how others will perceive you post-war. [/quote] See, that's the funny thing, Tyga. You just asked: [quote]If you didn't care about PR you would have surrendered and moved on, no?[/quote] And then answered your own rhetorical question with: [quote]The only thing keeping you in this war is your pride from what I can see[/quote] Then misguidedly attempted to define your answer based on a hilariously misguided premise with: [quote]and that is very closely linked to how others will perceive you post-war.[/quote] It's funny because the STA knows better than most how our pride has very little to do with how we're perceived by others. So I guess that means you're either trying the spin game (it's quite fun, but you're doing it wrong) or you're just lying through your teeth (and as you are a man of intelligence, I am betting that this is the angle you're going for). After all, were that an attempt at spin, it would be laughably inept. So since the wisest course of action is to assume that you are [i]not[/i] incompetent, you must be lying through your teeth about how the Sith's pride works. Just saying.
  12. [quote name='KainIIIC' timestamp='1320119614' post='2836219'] We let Krunk post, so that alone should put any questions to rest. [/quote] And somehow I'm still a member. How did that happen?!
  13. [quote name='Drai' timestamp='1320089678' post='2835907'] Caring about PR at this point (in general, not just for NSO in this situation) is yet another way to have less fun. It mattered in 2006-2009. Now it's just slowing things down. [/quote] That's the biggest secret of spin, you know: It doesn't actually matter worth half a damn. You're either in it for the competition, or because you're naive enough to think it matters. Sorry, Smurf, looks like I let my last lesson slip a little early. In the end, all that really matters is that the NSO accomplishes what it wanted to. Since when have we ever [i]really[/i] cared about PR, anyway?
  14. [quote name='Mogar' timestamp='1319874766' post='2834348'] and so far, they're actually beating you, which you guys claimed impossible. [/quote] I am as surprised as you are at this turn of events. But, facts are facts are facts, nothing to do but make the best of the reality of the situation and turn things around, you know?
  15. [quote name='kolsara' timestamp='1319874078' post='2834343'] you posted screenshots of our forums on the big boards? [/quote] Wasnt it supposed to be over "zomg spais" and such? And we did that whole warchest posting thing with RV? Yeah, "the same kind of thing" certainly sounds like a fitting way to describe it. One could even say it was worse, too, since it was a direct infringement of your alliances sovereignty, rather than a vague "leak" of some kind. And yet you took it, without comment. But you're fighting now, right? And you've gotten some of your targets allies to surrender, all good stuff. But c'mon. This is about Legion being pushed until they couldnt be pushed anymore, rather than anything else, and you know it, I know it, and everyone else knows it.
  16. [quote name='Kzoppistan' timestamp='1319873884' post='2834340'] /shrug It's [b]our[/b] grave. Good luck, ect. [/quote] Since you were polite enough to summarize my comment, I felt it would be impolite to not return the favor. Good luck to you all, as well.
  17. [quote name='D34th' timestamp='1319873166' post='2834332'] Legion isn't forcing NSO to accept the most evil and outrageous surrender terms that cyberverse ever saw, terms that consists in and admission of defeat and a surrender(HOW DARE YOU LEGION!), your alliance can stay at war if it is what you wish. [/quote] Im sorry, I didnt realize I was complaining, I thought I was just sitting back and anticipating future events with immense satisfaction, especially considering what the Legion was taking pride in having accomplished thus far. But perhaps you know what I said better than I do, considering I don't recall saying anything even remotely resembling that. I simply [i]must[/i] be slipping. [quote]Actually, we're fighting because some people decided to post screen shots of our private forum. And that's a no-no, as most people would agree. You're fighting because you chose to[/quote]Thats a nice line, but considering we did that kind of thing first and your current alliance just sat there and took it, Im inclined to disbelieve that rosy sentiment. [quote]I was hoping that fighting it out might cause a bit of reconciliation in the end. If your hubris prevents you from doing that, well, it is saddening.[/quote]It's nice to see that you've calmed down enough to start ripping magnanimous lines off of GATO members, rather than raging in a froth like you have been the past few weeks. Mr. "I cant wait to see you all burn", right? Heh. [quote]The war has swung in our favor, and it is only a matter of time now. How long you want to drag it out is up to you. If you truly spite your face so much to remove your own nose, we'll gladly lend you our knife, but I encourage you to consider that the road to recovery rests on how quickly one can accept a defeat and move on.[/quote] As I've said elsewhere, you all are winning. There's no need to act desperate when you have the upper hand, you know?
  18. [quote name='Flonker' timestamp='1319861758' post='2834225'] RV is just doing a piece of spin called the 'Scooby Do'. Basically, when they finally toss in the towel, all anybody will hear for the next forever is 'and we woulda won it if it weren't for our useless allies/those damned kids/whatever'. Being that RV is currently in the 2K range with nukes, I hereby name him 'King of the Anklebiters'. A clue for ya, RV: at that range, nukes are basically overpriced bottlerockets. But be my guest, by all means, buy lots of them. At a mil plus per, you'll just run your warchest further down. [/quote] Then allow me to correct you: At present, the Legion is winning the war. The war is not yet over. The Legion is fighting for the sake of finally having some pride, having been backed into a corner where fighting a great number of "anklebiters" that performed poorly in the war and were essentially poor matches (even against the Legion), is tantamount to a stunning upset of people's expectations. Make no mistake. I'm pretty impressed with the Legion, even with the lackluster yet understandable performance of the surrendering alliances, no one expected the Legion to [b]ever[/b] force an alliance to surrender, ever. Here's the thing, though. You may have your pride. You're certainly welcome to it. The time for stopping you even from having a PR victory has unfortunately passed. So all that's really left is grinding the Legion into the dust in battle, so that way the Legion can have something new to look on with pride in the past, you know, since the last major military success the Legion saw was back in GW1. I, for one, am looking forward to near future when the Legion reflects with satisfaction on how it made these three alliances surrender, and then were utterly destroyed down the road by "those damn Sith Cowards". I truly am.
  19. [quote name='Pearl' timestamp='1319827635' post='2833780'] I've been called obtuse by two members of NSO. Is that the word of the day? [/quote] No, it just means that's an accurate description. Like multiple people using the word "blue" to describe the color of the sky doesn't make it an exercise in learning vocabulary. That being said...Eh...Yeah, I guess good luck to the NsO in rebuilding.
  20. [quote name='Pearl' timestamp='1319823664' post='2833737'] u mad too I see. Yes, I do hold incredibly high standards for alliances, for all the people out here that call sparta a !@#$ alliance (see your post below), I expect those alliances to conduct themselves with better behavior. I think that is a logical assumption to make right? If you don't conduct yourself in a more proper manner, then that would make you hypocritical right? You guys look unusually bad right now, so I'm letting you know. IAA and BTA joined this war to help you and tetris win this war. You lost. And now you are telling them to suck it? That's low brah. Especially when Legion had the most valid CB CN has seen in a long time. IAA and BTA could have told you and tet to buzz off. Take your beating, you'll get over it in due time. If you think that's nonsense, well, that's why I'm here giving you a hard time. [/quote] At first I sincerely thought you were just trying to goad people. Really, there's no way someone can be that obtuse. I mean, thats how I would be doing it. But you really believe that, despite having absolutely no reason to, with absolutely no one blaming IAA/BTA for the Legion winning. They were just useless. That speaks volumes about you as a human being. It really does. I guess idiocy is bliss, and hence, Sparta.
  21. [quote name='Kzoppistan' timestamp='1319781931' post='2833456'] Worked up? Ha, it is the ecstasy of bloodshed, my friend. Mine, yours, who cares? And no exaggeration. Look at my war declarations: 13 on the list. I'm in second round with Xeuleux and twice with your emperor. There was another double round in there, I'm pretty sure. I've taken 2 nukes, the only cause of anarchy and dropped 10. The only person I haven't anarchied yet is Varianz, and that's because I just declared on him tonight. Anyway, no one cares about war stories.[/quote] You only anarchied people by nuking them, though...So it's not like you can really brag about anarchies in the first place. [quote]Good try, but keep your personal projections to yourself. See, Chron, when you go out of your way to antagonize and degrade others, and I'll save you the embarrassment of throwing your own quotes back into your face, you cause normally good-natured individuals, much like myself, to become hostile and desirous of your ruin. And nobody likes to be that way.[/quote] I don't go out of my way for any such thing. All I do is, as I've said before, point out facts of the situation, and people tend to get annoyed when their brilliant and perfect ideas get called out as being deeply flawed. Come now, embarrass me? I'm perfectly shameless. Feel free to throw my own quotes back in my face, I'll gladly own up to them, as always. [quote]It's a disgusting feeling, wrath. And yet... it feels so good when you can release upon those who provoke it. Looks like the sith are on to something, after all. [/quote]It's a shame that you can't seem to control it, though. You've let it consume you, decide your actions, which has led to you becoming filled with an insatiable urge to try and sound impressive and dominating. Like I said before, you guys are [i]winning[/i], there's no need to try so hard on your part, you know?
  22. [quote name='Kzoppistan' timestamp='1319780320' post='2833447'] Ha ha ha, you two are so cute. Would you like a cup of hot chocolate to go with your war stories? You've already lost. I've gone through 16 wars and have been destroying all your nations with ease. Once all your nations are stuffed down and start to delete, we'll begin to re-grow. While at war. How long you want to keep your nations at ZI is up to you, of course. You may not be the brightest crayons in the pack, but you're not stupid. When your "analytical reasoning" over-rides your wounded pride, you'll get your peace. I hope for your sake it's soon and we can be done with this silliness you so recklessly engendered. [/quote]Kzopp, you're literally the one exception to the rule with Legionarres, and you're a transplant to boot. And how could you have gone through 16 wars? You were anarchied after the 7th guy declared on you last round. Not that I've been keeping track, but you sound like you're exaggerating a fair bit here. Actually, you know what? You sound like you're broken. And desperate. I mean, you guys are [i]winning[/i] here, why do you sound like the petulant loser who's trying to make thump his chest in order to recover some of that lost bravado? You don't need to go this far, you're still winning. Really. I'm not trying to trick you, here. You can relax and take it easy, I'm sure that with your allies fellow warmaking skills, you can just sit back and bask in the afterglow of your efforts. No need to get so worked up, you know?
  23. [quote name='Pearl' timestamp='1319757152' post='2833241'] Allied coalition. They are all fighting for the takedown of the Legion. Direct allies or not is irrelavant to me. Their common goal is the same, I'd say. [/quote] IAA is fighting? Since when? [quote]I'm not denying that, but Chron did just make the argument that because IAA was getting aid, now Legion is getting aid, and because IAA isn't doing anything in the war, that makes the aid legion is getting all the more valuable. [/quote]I didn't make that argument. I just said the act of sending backfired uproariously in the faces of those who sent the aid to IAA. Again. Reading. Please stop trying to draw attention to your inability to do so. [quoted]I'm not trying to be a !@#$% here, I'm just pointing out what was stated. NSO knows if I wanted to be a dick, I would be alot more pointed. [/quote]I don't think you're trying to be a dick at all. I think you're trying to sound sagacious and clever and intelligent, and just failing spectacularly at it. You should try being a dick, it'll probably turn out better for you. [quote]But that's what you said! I'm not even trying to be a jerk bag [/quote]I know you're not trying to sound like a jerk, it's just that you should read comments before you reply to them. It really, really helps whenever you're trying to make a point. Especially when it's plain for everyone to see that you are simply quite wrong. It's tragic, I know. But it's a lesson we all have to learn at some point in our lives. [quote]It fills me with joy when you post TehChron. Impart your wisdom, tell us about the current war situation and how it will develop. [/quote]Iunno, I'm not psychic. I just use analytical reasoning to figure out a situation for what it is. And for the moment, the tide of battle is most certainly in the Legion's favor (to everyone's surprise, given the fact that you're fighting an opposing force approximately half your size, a marked improvement). It's a marginal lead for now, but a marked one nonetheless. I think we'll win if the Sith can maintain our ability to fight 5-6 on 1 odds per member, as we have been, until we can secure the mid-to-low ranges with more bill locks. But if we dont (and wind up like me, anarchied and defeated after fighting 10 Legionares and anarching half of them), then chances are the Legion may win. Things are still pretty much up in the air.
  24. [quote name='Pearl' timestamp='1319752057' post='2833175'] I see what you are saying, and you know I like to give you guys a hard time, but [b]You are blaming an ally for your poor war performance?[/b] Legion, you better make sure "admission of thorough defeat" is a surrender condition. [/quote] ... [quote] Not that our present ills are their fault or anything like that.[/quote]Please stop making the discussion about how you can't read. It's a random tangent that distracts from the topic at hand. It's...hard to take your ability to analyze anything seriously when you can't even grasp the meaning of a simple sentence. But as I was saying, Smurf, yeah, you're no better than this guy here. But yes, this war is filled with alliances that barely know how to fight, hence why it's the "Incompetence Extravaganza", starring The Legion, with a supporting role from the NSO, Tetris, NsO, and bit players that try to hog our screentime.
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