TehChron

[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1319745786' post='2833110'] As opposed to your delusional world where Varianz=NSO? Regardless, I was referring to the Chron & Krunk duo, with a sprinkle of WC. RV has been quite quiet recently, imo. [/quote] You mean the one time I said that IAA is hardly doing any fighting? That simple statement of *gasp* the facts of the matter? Regardless of whether or not anyone disagrees (including Varianz), facts are facts. [quote]True, but they are doing more than if they weren't there, therefore NSOs mantra that its all IAA/BTAs fault is ludacris, which is Doch's point I believe. [/quote] No, my point is that IAA, and, as a result, the assistance that GATO/TLR offered (which backfired hilariously) are pretty much useless. Not that our present ills are their fault or anything like that. Something something about delusional worlds, am I doing it right?

Alliance: New Sith Order Team Member 1: TehChron Team Member 2: N/A Team Member 3: N/A Team Member 4: N/A Does your entire team have Xbox Live?: I guess Does your team agree to pay The 200 tech entry fee?: Sure y nawt How would you grade your team? (A, B, C, D, or F?): D

[quote name='Locke' timestamp='1319567063' post='2832183'] I agree, not direct or clear at all. [/quote] You got in there [i]after[/i] the fantastic backpedal edit, Locke. But by all means, give Legion as much help as you can. Their spin needs all the help it can get.

[quote name='WorldConqueror' timestamp='1319565182' post='2832176'] It'll probably work better if you're not so laughably transparent. [/quote] All they've got going in their favor is a relatively large advantage in NS and nation count (lolIAA) and a crutch for their lower members that keep on being knocked into near bill-lock. They're more than welcome to talk trash at this stage, since they can't even bring those advantages to full bear. I mean, it's not like they're in this for anything other than a desperate attempt to rehabilitate the image that was last revealed to the world in the Doomhouse war.

[quote name='Sabcat' timestamp='1319564452' post='2832166'] I'm not gov. I'm sure you can find gov in a channel somewhere and ask them. I like your post though sunshine, you sound like a man who thinks he's winning which is great. Lets fight on. [/quote] Polar aid can only cushion your infra repurchases for so long. You can only import so many nations from other alliances. Once the logistics even out down the road, we'll be back to where we were in the first round. I, for one, am looking forward to that point.

[quote name='chefjoe' timestamp='1319313768' post='2830591'] Legion's NS chart has basically flat-lined for over a week, looks like NSO and co have shot their wad.?.?...Id hate to be in the peace talks because anything short of a full legion surrender reflects badly imo...and with the seemingly stagnant NS chart that would seem improbable(though it IS legion....they have been known to make facepalm worthy moves in the past) So NSO and co, how ya all going to pull this one out of your ass?? [/quote] There's 5 individual reasons for that, actually. But yeah, I ain't gonna deny that at the moment, that's the truth. Situations going to change down the road, but it is what it is. The Legion's fighting a PR battle, rather than a military conflict. And it's working.

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1319090346' post='2829128'] Oh for God's sake give this Legion crap a rest. Look, they aren't a good alliance. We get it. Continually making threads over a period of months to take the piss out of them is not funny anymore. It was for the first thread or two, but now it's overkill. Additionally, Legion has performed way better than anyone expected in this war, including you. Leave off. As for you Legion, don't call NSO cowards. They aren't. They don't care about being rolled. They just aren't a good alliance. [/quote] Well, Yeah, we accepted you when your name was mud with the rest of CN, right? At my recommendation, to boot. If that isnt evidence enough of our lack of any redeeming qualities than I don't know what is. Anyway, the point of this thread is RV extending an olive branch on a discussion that's derailed enough topics as it is. So if it can finally put this matter to rest, I'm all for it.

[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1319089742' post='2829113'] 21 were sent before polar sent aid. [/quote] So 3 or 4 nations worth of slots? Thats pretty small. [quote]You know as well as I do I don't deserve that ban [/quote] *shrugs* They dont usually act on a hair trigger. And to be fair, I didnt know the context when I said that. [quote]Why thank you. Again I blame the drugs/alcohol [/quote]And again, it can only be blamed for so much.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1319089139' post='2829105'] We are over the Legion crap. You should be, too. I'm actually kind of tired of hearing about it. [/quote] Did The Legion call CoJ cowards at any point, out of curiosity?

[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1319087115' post='2829087'] I'd hardly call 47 aid packages of 3mill+2000 soldiers a "couple of random aid packages."[/quote] Are we still talking about some kind of imagined "massive aid train" that RoK sent to us on the 10th? Pretty clear that by and large, only a fraction of those packages were sent before Polars bailout for you guys. Honestly. [quote] Please do quote me "crying martyr." I look forward to it as I haven't seen it myself. [/quote] Neither you nor sabcat did, it was your proconsul that did, however. That's why I made that one complete phrase on the list, rather than separating his name from it and implying all three of you did so. [quote] You do well [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=105774&view=findpost&p=2828200]making an ass of your alliance-mates as well. [/url] [/quote]Not...really, no. And considering the context of what you're referring to (you getting yourself banned on our forums) you can't really equate the two. Again. [quote='Kzoppistan']Ha ha, that's pretty good. But you're not even close in the league of RV. Or myself. Luckily, I don't have to spin anything as the truth makes a pretty persuasive argument. [/quote] That's very true. It's why I enjoy pointing it out whenever someone tries to claim otherwise. And Kzopp, please. You're really not that good at this. Smurf is doing a far better job, and you should take some pointers from him. [quote]Mergerberger II said it better than I. I've already tried to come halfway a number of times, you're only interest is defamation. So, knock yourself out.[/quote]Then show 3 examples of you "trying to come halfway". Because, honestly? You've been nothing but stubborn about this. All you're interested in is entrenching the idea that Legion is blameless, and refusing to acknowledge otherwise. You can hardly call yourself even handed or accuse anyone else of being only caring about a closed-minded perspective. Edit: Quote tags

[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1319083211' post='2829038'] Bringing up history wrongly I might add. Considering your alliance (NSO) got aid drops from RoK 3 days before we got anything from Polaris, I would imagine that TehChron is attempting to insult everyone else's intelligence by implying they can't remember a week ago... EDIT: Unclear pronoun clarified via parenthesis above. [/quote] Ill say it again: Begging Polar to mass-aid you isnt equivalent to a couple of random aid packages being sent from RoK. If all you can do is set up straw mans, then by all means, keep wasting your time. [quote]Of course I'm intimate with the OWF. Don't you know who the $%&@ I am?[/quote]A budget-priced version of myself or RV, with half the spinning ability and twice the u mad bro. [quote]The only people making a fuss about it is you guys. And the only thing insulting to people's intelligence is that you keep trying to bring up history to detract from your current asskicking. You're scrambling.[/quote]Do you [i]really[/i] want to make such a bold blanket statement? All I have to do is quote Unknown Smurf, or Sabcat, or that lovely Proconsul of yours crying martyr about it, and you'll wind up looking pretty silly, you know? Although I could find a quote from you and really have something ironic on my hands. [quote]Well, if it's that important to your cathartic healing process- since you been nursing this butthurt for months now, well, have a ball. Maybe once you get it all out of your system you concentrated on something even remotely interesting. Like fighting.[/quote] Wow, ignoring your own alliance mates? Throwing them under the rhetorical bus? Thats cold, man. No, but really, you seem to have a severe case of u mad? You may want to get that checked on. [quote]Still stings a bit, does it? [/quote]Like I said, low-budget. If you can do something well, why would you do it for free? [quote]I guess if that's all you got, why take it away from you, eh? Well, give it a rip. Enjoy your mental masturbation. I'm going to leave it to those that were there.[/quote]lol, coming from the guy spouting absolute statements, and who is completely ignoring the existence of his alliance mates who are trying to contradict the people that were actually there. You're really a riot, Kzopp. I look forward to your future work as well. [quote] A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.[/quote]lol Ironic on so many levels. Not the least of which is because you didn't even cite the quote, nor that Im the furthest thing from that definition. No, Kzopp, the reason that it's so ironic is because all you're doing is focusing on a single subject, and doggedly refusing to acknowledge the existence of context that may potentially contradict your opinion on said subject. I love unintentional irony. It's the best kind.

Edit: Taking this to the other thread

[quote name='Kzoppistan' timestamp='1319082039' post='2829015'] *Yawn* RV, take it somewhere else. Come to our forums, or invite some one to yours. Or do the PM thing. The OWF isn't interested in hearing the same old mudslinging ad nauseam. You got facts, yadda yadda. For the sake of the audience, give 'em a break. Not only am I an entertainer of the peanut gallery, I'm also a member. Keep it fresh, buddy. [/quote] Wow. How considerate of you. I didn't realize you were on such intimate terms with the OWF. Man, its really sad to see people playing the "indifferent" card when they've spent such effort into making a fuss on the subject theyre now claiming to be apathetic towards. I mean, it's almost like they're insulting people's intelligence. That being said, so long as people are discussing it here on the OWF, I think its entirely appropriate that it have its own thread for discussion, rather than being delegated to a random derail of another topic. If you don't like the fact that you can't talk your way out of it, get better at spinning, my offer still stands, you know. That too, being said, I wasn't there for the event in question, but based on the people Ive spoken to, the general impression is that what RV's saying is completely accurate. So Im gonna go with the common consensus on this one. Edit: I hate repetition

[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1319081560' post='2829005'] Yes you went to Daddy RoK and Mama Asgaard instead... (or maybe RoK is mama and Asgaard is papi.. idk. ) [/quote] Only after you went begging because people who were only marginal participants at best in the war were being bankrolled. How terrible. You were being so badly smacked around by IAA and their GATO/TLR aid trains that you just [b]needed[/b] Polar to even the odds for you. No, but please, continue bragging about asking for handouts when it became clear you couldnt keep yourselves funded. Nothing wrong with us also going for whatever advantages we can when the Legion decided to find someone to bankroll their turtling strategy.

[quote name='cybersaur' timestamp='1319077638' post='2828967'] Since this is a stats thread, how about adding a stat for the most 50 bomber bombing runs? NSO, is winning that one handily! And the only reason the Tetris/NSO coalition may have a warchest advantage is because you're finding yourselves with less and less infra to pay for! Bills are getting a lot lower now that so many of your nations are well on their way to ZI, huh? Instead of posting battle reports in our forums, mostly we just laugh at the utter lack of war fighting ability on your side and the utter ridiculousness of what passes for your war skillz! Put that in the stats. [/quote] Um. Yeah. Sure. Ok, because it's not like the only reason so many Legionarres arent following suit is from the massive aid trains Polars sending to you guys while the NSO is being left out in the cold, aid-wise. I mean, damn, most Legionarres have larger warchests now then they started the war off with, thanks to that. It's easy to avoid ZI when you get a free 12-15 mil a round in order to buy yourself back up, you know? Problem is that so many of you all spend it on getting 50 CMs or whatever in the 3k NS range. So...yeah, you go boasting about that ZI, guy. At least the NSO didnt have to go begging daddy Polar for a handout when things went south for your collective wallets. Not to mention how easy it is to keep said money and infra when all you guys do is turtle with only hurling CMs and bombing runs. Although I can see why you would do that collectively (its a good strategy, given your position), it's hardly anything worth boasting about.

Sorry, but I cant help but love the feeling of having my hands in there. They fit like a glove. -Super pause

Yet you don't denyyyyyyyyyyy iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, Gibsy my man.

Im afraid that the only card game the NSO participates in is YGO. Sorry. You'll have to find other Lands to Tap around here, HoT

And now for the real question: Does anyone give a damn? If Legion doesn't declare on Legacy in the next five minutes, then Im guessing the answer is no. Because admin knows you don't really care, you're just looking for a chance to stir the pot.

So then Legacy is assisting in military action against The Legion. Gotcha.And lol, what's that saying about a pot and a kettle? Go brush your stache. Dual membership. Problem solved, we can all go home now.

[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1318964050' post='2828043'] [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=103229&view=findpost&p=2746433]Protip NSO: Boasting loses its effectiveness when proven false. [/url] Also, there were plenty of posts like [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=103283&view=findpost&p=2748863]this[/url] and [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=103283&view=findpost&p=2747925]this[/url] imply you believe you would win this war despite the statistical disadvantage. Stop claiming you guys never said NSO would win this war before the war started, we're just too lazy to find the posts for the most part. [/quote] Of course we've been saying we'd win the war. We're still saying we're going to win the war. What exactly are you trying to disprove here? That we never took into account the possibility that the Legion's sheer numbers would make this a difficult fight? Well, regardless, we'd be winning more clearly were it not for you guys going to Polar begging for cash to keep your mid and low range nations from being bill locked. Oh well. Let's see how long that salve is going to cushion your damage for. [quote] It's really going to be embarrassing for NSO when they surrender[/quote]Almost as embarrassing as any alliance having you represent them in shared channels, Jacapo.

[quote name='Timeline' timestamp='1318639457' post='2825292'] I removed part two, simply due to the fact Legion is now getting aid and well it evens the fight up a little. So 1k on the line Legion will win as long as no one else jumps in [/quote]Are you setting out conditions FOR betting, or the conditions of the bet itself? Im not exactly clear on that.

\m/ Didnt exist during bi-polar, and the people they hit were TOP. May need to correct that.

[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1318598626' post='2824839'] Buying infrastructure at the lower level is a smart move, it enables you to get GCs and steal aid from your enemies allies. [url=http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=467460]You[/url] don't seem to understand a good move as shown by your barracks. [/quote] Correct, and yet I still am doing far better than most of my 5 opponents thus far this war, all but one of which has been anarchied, and the other refuses to do anything other than lob CMs. So, once again we come up to the issue that while I am terrible, you all are still worse. [quote]When you guys waste your nukes on nations under 20k NS, we laugh, the sith don't seem to have realized this, but under ~18k NS, the nuke costs more than the damage it does..[/quote]So? It's not like the ones doing it cant afford it. [quote] I don't understand what you mean here.[/quote]The idea that we're not doing all that much damage, compared to you lot, I was being sarcastic. Nukes do a good deal of damage, and the stat board would look significantly different were it not for your alliances en masse padding. [quote]Like you guys have failed to enforce the NSO war-chest standards?[/quote]Eh...no. That's a government policy, not a personal standard. Differentiation is an important skill, that seems to be lost on a lot of people. [quote] I could ask you the same thing, though I know your delusions will give me the wrong answer... [/quote]Just because I don't live in the Legion fantasy world where everything you say is right and correct, doesn't mean I'm deluded, you know? Once again, it's your alliances massive martyr complex that's gotten itself into a position where even odds against five micros equates to a stunning upset. Pray don't forget that all this praise you're getting is not "Damn the Legion's pretty good", but rather, "You're doing pretty good...for the Legion, that is". I mean...that really hasn't changed, you know? By the by, how can there be such a thing as a "wrong" subjective answer? [quote] No, I rejected the recruitment attempts of you, varianz, dilber, WC, and others... [/quote] I never tried to recruit you...ever. And if those guys did, then they clearly weren't paying attention. But Im going to give intelligent people the benefit of the doubt and just assume you're name dropping in order to sound better than you really are. A typical Legionarre practice this war. [quote] lol what? I missed the part where that was proven correct. [/quote]Check your warring nations, and see how many of them have cash on hand to pay their bills without aid or the lucky GA or two. Not just the vocal ones. All of them. [quote] When we get battle reports of 1/2 your alliance not only using, but losing 10 bombers/run we disproved these "wild claims." When we see that you call a couple hundred million a warchest, we disproved these "wild claims." When you make jokes about our 4k infra nations having no warchest, but our spy reports show yours to have an average of 63million within the first 3 days of war, we disproved these "wild claims." [/quote]That you pointed out that we have less than competent members, you prove nothing save that [i]all alliances have some pretty poor members[/i]. That doesn't suddenly make you guys competent, or skilled, or anything for that matter. That you proved common knowledge isn't really an accomplishment. Just because you're not used to it, doesn't mean everyone else hasn't known it for years. But I suppose you deserve some credit. You are, after all, the Legion. [quote] So now we do have war chests? Get your lies straight before you come back here please. [/quote]Used as a colloquial term to refer to "cash on hand", in that manner, a 100k ns nation with only 1 million on hand possesses a "warchest", it just cant be really considered one with a straight face. No but really, lies? Slander? Greasy-ness? Talking up how threatening and badass you all are? Come on, man, if you're really saying that with a straight face, then I feel bad for all the people you say tried to recruit you. Because damn, I'd be embarrassed. [quote]Speaking of [url=http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=317239]stemming[/url] [url=http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=227416]the[/url] [url=http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=330639]odds[/url], [url=http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=246032]your[/url] [url=http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=29608]side[/url] [url=http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=431928]has[/url] [url=http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=415145]done[/url] a [url=http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=363817]good[/url] job of it... Do I get my 3million for saying something nice about the other side now? EDIT: Accidently put bold tags instead of quote tags [/quote]Eh....No, because Kzopp was first. By the way, how is it padding when people are joining us in order to get a shot at you? Besides, [i]we[/i] aren't boasting about our performance in this war. So...where's the hypocrisy? I mean, it's one thing to have an influx of new members during wartime and boast about how we're growing during war...but we're not. You guys, on the other hand, are buying infra and inflating your ns for the simple sake of boasting about your "mitigated" losses. That's pathetic. You're so desperate for attention that you're slitting your own wrists...And you're going back on your word of "No we can handle you guys just fine on our own" just to support that strategy. Sure it isn't hypocritical of you (arguably), but, again, it sure is pathetic. By all means, continue to show us your Legion Pride. It's quite the education, and I mean that. Admin knows we wouldnt want anyone else to confuse it with something worth emulating.

[quote name='Sabcat' timestamp='1318545357' post='2824278'] This is for my amusement alone. You came to my attention when you managed to contradict Varianz's analysis of the situation a few days ago, I quoted him in reply to you. Do you remember? [/quote] As a matter of fact, I don't. [ooc]Actually, Ive been indisposed for a number of days, so I wasn't able to follow these discussions as much as I would have liked[/ooc] Mind enlightening me? [quote]I like you, you're fun to play with. [/quote] *bows* Happy to be of service. Although, it's more that you seem to have our positions confused. [quote]Ask your vocal friend TehChron, he's made some wild claims in the last few days, I've quoted Varianz's more level headed posts in response to him. I'm sure you're enjoying this war though RV? It is afterall, numbers wise pretty even and show no signs of ending anytime soon. [/quote]Oh? What claims were these? Something like "The Legion will be going into bill lock en masse after a single round of wars" (proven correct)? Or perhaps you're referring to some kind of preconceived notion of damage the Legion is going to take? Which...from what I can tell, was hardly inaccurate. So...Really, mind pointing out which of these "wild claims" have been disproven? No need to put words in my mouth, after all, I've certainly put more than my fair share in there already. Plenty of ammo for you to utilize, am I right? [quote]If they have the money to do it, why not? Why do you have a problem with it? You can do the same.[/quote]Oh, I don't have a problem with the practice itself. They're free to burn through their warchests as quickly as they want. The only issue Im taking here stems from them boasting about how little NS they've lost, when the simple reality is that the Legion's real damages thus far in this war may very well be as much as double as what has been observed by this point, considering how wildly their total NS has fluctuated each day (according to the alliance strength chart). I mean, it's one thing to preen and boast in public about how theyre "defying the odds", but the frank fact of the matter is that the Legion has been padding their NS this first round of war. Hardly worth boasting about.