ChairmanHal

Most people do, but the crying from the rich kids was more than Admin could bare, so nothing has been done yet. But this isn't the time or place for that discussion. Given that DBDC declared wars on multiple targets and have a pretty massive advantage in terms of tech and such, they will always do significantly more damage than they take (unless of course they essentially run out of nukes, then what's left of Sparta and NpO's upper tier might be able to approach the amount of damage levels being inflicted by DBDC). The stats related to DBDC vs. Sparta and NpO are therefore pretty meaningless, unless you wish to consider the effect the damage to Sparta and NpO will have on their ability to fight should the war expand later on.

Just like there was the New Pacific Order and the New Polar Order in 2006...with everything about the level of collusion that went on between them back then implied.

All DBDC wars are raids until they aren't. Typically their targets don't stay in range for more than one round, so it is difficult for them to fight anyone for much longer than that. The AA they wear is completely irrelevant. They are always DBDC. So in a sense, they always follow the same political doctrine.

No problem. The Doom alliances (Doom Squad and DBDC in this case) have declared separate wars on Invicta and on Sparta and NpO. In the former case DS made this nice formal announcement declaring war on Invicta citing something about the Doomsday Clock. In the later case, DBDC launched an attack against Sparta and NpO without any formal declaration because well...paperwork or whatever. So you are now all caught up. Enjoy the enhanced radiation levels.

Congratulations! o/ FTW

Will they also be showing us why they don't need WRCs?

Finally, an honest war dec.

At some point it should occur to you that Pink is the last place for a small, developing alliance. Too many large, developed nations that have more or less stopped growing and set themselves up in max income producing trade sets.

Well done!

Interesting, however I would issue you the following warnings: beware the catfish, it will chase you...and watch out for piranha. Note to Green Peace: No stingrays, manta rays, jellyfish, dogfish, sea robins, or narwhals were harmed in the making of this post, though they were spotted coming and going in the area. Note to NOW: No bikini whales had their self esteem damaged while making this post, though they were provided with veggie trays as a subtle hint.

Wrong show, however, I have the results right here in the envelope...in the matter of this thread....UMSC123, you are NOT the father.

Given the level of conversation from start to finish, I think Jerry Springer is supposed to come out and sum everything up for us.

[quote name="untouchable" post="3319464" timestamp="1413085369"][uote name="Chimaera" post="3319437" timestamp="1413079208"]Side note - without ghosts, Kaskus is below 650k NS and 60k tech. They started at nearly 1.7 mil and 145k tech. This has been most amusing.[/quote]You guy's had plenty of ghosting 2 so quit complaining.With out your ghost you would have been in terrible trouble so quick Crying..[/quote] He wasn't actually complaining or crying, just stating a fact. Is what he is saying not accurate in some way?

With much, much respect to my allies at Mi6, in a world where alliance jumping for purposes of warfare has become FAR too common, and a world where nations have NS values so high it defies common sense that they should even exist, let alone be able to attack people with less than 3 times their NS, making any sweeping claims about dealing with other people's roster issues is a bit silly. That said, I fully understand Mi6's frustration at the number of NEW-affiliated nations popping up on the Kaskus AA early on, and I think that Mi6 later adapted to the situation as best they could.

It's a terrible shame that Kaskus lacks the ability to boot people off their AA they don't endorse being there. Terrible. Because that would actually be how to "deal" with it. But hey, if you are saying that Mi6's allies should be policing the Kaskus AA to remove ghosts, then by all means we'd like to have that in writing--preferably in some sort of agreement that also puts someone in charge as a viceroy with full authority to manage the alliance, because clearly they need leadership in these troubled times.

This man just won the thread.

If that's all you got, then you got nothing out of it. That's not on me. As for getting people "back to the game", I don't see it and the numbers prove me correct. Whoever they might bring back, the net is a loss. All that said, would deleting DBDC tomorrow fix everything wrong with the game? Not even close. There is much work to be done in the area of retention for bottom 1/4 of nations. Tech farms are better seen, not heard. People who make up stories about other people based on their own personal failings are best not heard or seen.

Actually if you look at the "golden era of CN", the number of nations declined after every single major war. So to say that "war is good for the game" just by itself is a lie. FYI: DBDC is in fact not good for the game at all, but then they are also a symptom, not the disease. More on that later. No, what is/was "good for the game" is all the effort and activity that is required to building up an alliance. Those alliances that sit back and rest of their reputation and claim to be too hip to recruit or only want "veteran players" slowly but surely die out. Too many alliance do just that. As mentioned above, they are a symptom of very bad things going on the within the game community, so no they aren't good for CN at all, unless you count events like the war with RIA to be "good for CN" because they briefly increase activity within any alliance that is attacked by DBDC. Correct for the most part. We can debate whether the increase in the number of wonders helps/hurts the game, mostly because I think you are discounting the affect it has on player retention (long time players have something to strive for or additional options other than the accumulation of wealth, etc.), but ultimately DBDC wouldn't exist if Planet Bob were more active--it wouldn't need to, because those who accumulated there would be busy within separate alliances and probably fighting each other in global wars. They are part of the problem however in that DBDC accelerates the loss of long time players, thus hurt player retention, and as you point out, there is now effectively a glass ceiling in place at the #250 nation level, which can only be safely passed if you ally yourself directly or indirectly to DBDC. They are not by far the biggest problems with CN however. By far we have much more serious issues down at bottom 1,000 nations with player retention and nothing really that DBDC is doing right now affects that one wit. Methrage, unless you have a dollar amount that can be paid to Admin that will ensure I can pile on 30,000 tech tomorrow night, then no, it's not as simple as "you need to build faster/better" in order to match them or beat them. Nice speech, but... 1. Since your alliance came on the scene, the number of nations at all levels continues to decline. It does nothing to promote player retention, save for a few top end heavy hitters who are part of the problem, not part of the solution. 2. Effectively what you are saying is that you reserve the right to pick a side based on your personal prejudices regarding "fairness" not what is actually fair, nor what is actually best for the flow of the game, which has seen beat downs motivate people to do better (present company included, Valhalla is a better alliance for the beating it took in Karma, I was a better CN leader after my experiences in the Unjust War) and created some very dramatic moments in CN history. The reality is that you think you are helping, but you are not. 3. Your alliance singles out people it doesn't like and attacks them. If it can't attack them in game, it mocks them in offensive Youtube videos. Sometimes it does both. It threatens to attack people who disagree with you in the OOC Suggestion Box part of the forums, and sits on that part of the forums like a vulture, making sure to turn any suggestion that might go against you in a flame war slag that will eventually be ignored. It raids nations multiple times for the sin of staying in range. You say that you see no problem with those voicing opinions contrary to DBDC's "principles and values" (as if what you are doing could actually be guided by such a thing), but the evidence suggests something completely different. Simply put, you are not what you pretend to be.

Because EZI doesn't exist anymore.

If you can't figure out why your logs aren't needed, never mind. People get sued for all sorts of reasons less worthy, and if the person pursuing the suit has the money to pour into it, the mere fact that a defense lawyer has to be hired and the suit fought would make it hell for most people who can't afford to hire a lawyer even for the important stuff, let alone something like this. You continue to insist on digging your friends deeper into a hole, and I'm about to offer you backhoe and a miner's helmet. If they didn't buy KaitlinK and Hoo's story, the thing to do was not to "help", but to back off and leave them to settle their own problems. Instead, a group of catty people decided instead to go witch hunting, then, deciding they didn't like what they thought they found or being amused by it in some twisted way, proceeded to mock KaitlinK and Hoo from one end of Cyber Nations to another and dig even deeper. If MK were a D&D alignment they would vary from chaotic evil to chaotic neutral. Good? :lol1: FYI: I never wrote for D&D which is a shame because TSR paid pretty well. That's the second time you've made that reference like it's a subtle insult, but it's not working.

It's still not funny. Your scenario is also pretty much out there too. Finding the proper IPs wouldn't have even required shifting through your attempts to obstruct justice by throwing thousands of IP addresses at a lawyer either. Could he have won a lawsuit? Probably not even in California. Could he made some people's lives a living hell if he wanted to? Absolutely, which is really why many of those involved apologized to him privately. But all that aside, you also are completely missing the point. NONE of this should even be a topic of conversation in a browser-based computer game. Ever. Yet, it was. Why was it? Your friends, who insisted to poking and prodding at two players (not characters, real people) for "laughs", so that they could "win" the game some more, or out of some sense of twisted black knighting (no, not white knighting, that would imply good intentions). If it wasn't driven by obsession, then certainly wasn't rational behavior for people claiming to be adults. Stop rationalizing.

First the bros thread now this... :facepalm: Either you are willing to let the player keep playing or you aren't people. Take it away from the game table and onto to Skype/Google Hangout/phone/whatever and figure it out. We don't really need a report of the details afterward either.

No actually, Jerdge summed up a lot of what I and many others were trying to say. But before I rage any further about something so stupid that anyone over the age of 14 should know not to bring it to a fucking browser-based computer game, why do you find it "hilarious" that someone felt they were defamed OOC to the point that they consulted an attorney and considered bringing a RL lawsuit against people? Is it amusing that people obsessed with a computer game would actually have contact with the ex-spouse of a former player to try to dig up dirt? Because I don't find it fucking funny at all. I find it sad and pathetic and I'm sorry that Hoo didn't file his lawsuit and force everyone in MK gov to hire an attorney and defend themselves in court. You say over and over you tried to talk people out of things and perhaps doing worse. If that is true, you've only making the case that all traces of MK should have been erased from the game, least they damage it even further than they already have, not justifying your participation in it, Herr Speer.

I knew about this at a time in the past before it was actually announced.

If that is your masturbatory fantasy and it works for you, then that's your business there, chief. <_<