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[quote name='Chron' date='16 February 2010 - 03:21 AM' timestamp='1266290494' post='2184181'] Yeah...You dont have much of a sense for irony, do you? Oh, I get it. You really do think it's alright to declare war on your MDP ally over a possible (unconfirmed at the time, and still not really confirmed now) sending of a faulty screenshot. Not limit it to just canceling a treaty, but outright attacking while ignoring the cancellation clause in the MDP. Yeah, I think your alliance should be pretty pleased you aren't in a position to make that call. [/quote] [ooc] I usually love the ironic posts, but currently I have roommates causing a lot of noise and a headache so it went right past my head[OOC] It was confirmed to the same standards that 99% of screenshots used here have been in the past, why do you expect more from GLOF? If they are wrong and the first 2 are authentic then it is a computer anomaly that is to be blamed not any lack of effort on GLOFs side. It is justified if your MDP partner is lying to you just to achieve some spiteful revenge. [quote] However fake the first screen shot may look, you're forgetting the possibility that the entire row with the funky distortion is in a different font due to the JackieChan account being logged in as an anonymous user. I'm not technical enough to know whether this along with the image being a JPEG could cause the distortion seen, but I think that in itself plus the fact that 57th and GloF were allies should have been enough to merit talking to 57th before attacking. [/quote] I dont have too much experience in checking fakes compared to other screenshots, so if several people who have all confirmed for me that they were then I would believe them. The fact that most people dont know if it did effect the pictures or not shows how unlikely it is, or we would have lots of statements from experience saying otherwise.

[quote name='Chron' date='16 February 2010 - 03:01 AM' timestamp='1266289303' post='2184102'] Well, it helps that I actually bothered to pay attention to the conversation. After only 40 minutes or so waiting on a response from someone who wasn't around at the time. Clearly GLoF spared no effort in checking the reliability of their intel, given the weighty nature of the matter. Yeah, but would you declare war over it? Thats kind of the main issue here. Although I'm a bit amused to see you sidestep it once you realize what your justification is logically untenable. [/quote] I took your comment incorrectly, thought you were saying something else. I assume the 40 minutes or so was after they checked the screenshots, its not like they received the 3rd 40 minutes before they declared. The shots look fake.. what more can you expect? Under close inspection they are fake in every way a fake would be, and it has yet to be proven that they are anything otherwise. Currently people are claiming that the JPEG caused different distortion over the most important area in a fluke. They are using an unlikely situation to debunk physical evidence, hardly a game breaker if you ask me. Would I declare war? Well that depends on how angry I was, how prepared my alliance was and how active I could be at the time. As Bushido is semi-prepared due to the possibility of us being involved in the global conflict we are ready, and I might have just declared like GLOF did. In peace time I would require a few extra days to have everyone prepared, and in that time things might change. [quote]You know, come to think of it, it's awfully convenient that GLoF somehow managed to stay out of a war when almost every one of their allies was involved in it. Almost as though they intentionally kept themselves unoccupied in case something came up. Now, unlike certain alliances, I'm not one to toss accusations without evidence... but it certainly makes you think, huh? [/quote] They were preparing to get involved, when suddenly they had something closer to home to deal with. Its all speculation regardless of what either of us say but GLOF doesnt seem like the kind of alliance that would do this from any previous experience.

[quote name='Chron' date='16 February 2010 - 02:40 AM' timestamp='1266288056' post='2184028'] Yeah except the part where 57th declared on GLoF over the [i]possibility[/i] of faked screenshots OHWAI- Seriously, GLoF did a very, very, [i]very[/i] stupid and dishonorable thing. I don't seem to understand why folks are trying to justify attacking an MDP partner over something that could have been handled by a half-hour conversation and some fact checking. [/quote] [s]I have never seen anyone declare on an alliance because said alliance [b]received[/b] fake screenshots, so I do not understand your first statement. [/s] Apparently I have reading issues, because the second time I read the statement it made more sense. dont mind me >_> Unless you are referring to the first 2 pictures, in that case I cant help but laugh at the thought of alliances asking for admin access so they can take screen shots of IP addresses just in case the JPEG compression happens to work differently on their forums then most. The first 2 shots were fake by any reasonable standards, and GLOF acted on it with the knowledge of another screen shot that turned out to be fake. I can only conclude that you think so highly of GLOF that you expected them to go to such extreme measures as to try to recreate the screenshots several times in comparison to the originals. GLOF is only human... @rooster That was only 1/3 of the evidence they provided though, personally if I found that Pen had sent shopped photos to Bushido showing that one of our members was a spy I would be quite upset myself. Add to that if it was a past GLOF member and I would livid, as that just looks like an act taken out of spite. Would I wait longer to approach them over it... I dont know, and I pray that I never will.

It was the leader of the 57th who sent fake screen shots to GLOF to have a member ejected... I have seen much worse CBs in my time then this one. If by some odd chance the jpeg did have varying levels of distortion from one IP to the next it is a fluke, and you can hardly blame GLOF for assuming it wasnt. My personal opinion is that all the pictures are fake, still leaving 57th in a much worse light then GLOF, however I am still hoping something can be reached between the two of them asap.

Shame on Grub for making a promise not to defend his allies Props to Grub for defending his allies even when it puts him in a bad spot to say the least. Who knows if my alliance will be entering this war, and who knows what side I will be on, but let me say May Admin have mercy on everyone's souls, for this madness shall have none.

Aaah I am afraid of change. Good luck getting used to the changes, may megabyte have mercy on our forums.

I loled, and will continue to do so every war from now on.

Athens did it first... and by that I mean \m/'s actions not polars.

Merry Christmas Also lol at the christmas tree.

Why dont you enjoy your christmas Jesus people always telling others what to do...

Not to mention there are a lot more CN players who visit 4chan then any of us realize.

Even a shark can be lost amongst thousands of dolphins.

Perhaps, although if it really was a pre-existing piece of art then that might be a little different. There are lots of famous art pieces that would be removed.

I voted both yes and Who, because generally thats how things are. Nobody cares until they do something and people realize they exist.

Good chance for both sides to have fun... True Dodger wont recover quite as fast but still fun for both sides.

Not everyone, because there could be several members of an alliance who would defend their friends regardless... however they simply never became friends with other alliances. Alliances usually represent the majority of members, but they can never represent the opinions of every member.

The moon is gone and now they are stuck here forever! )): Goons )):

Down with the UED menace! I am really happy to see this.

You can only imagine the things already in a Jr. Bacon Cheeseburger

Wow... I messed up that post, edited to make at least a little sense.

Solidarity isn't communist, just mostly communist members at the moment lol. Also good to see a quick recovery coming to UED.

King death is a good guy, and I am happy to know we will be there to help him should he need it.

And so the plot thickens... or does it? Hopefully you can both move on to better places.

Neutrality was a guise so they could get closer to all that juicy FEAR tech? Brilliant.

Take the plot one step further, UED is going to find an even better target for VE, and VE is going to use UED to make a valid CB. UED didnt want to do this for free, and people would have noticed any payment made to UED for their services. VE then makes a fake war so UED can be paid under the guise of "rep payments"