Buds The Man

Glad to see this finally done. Love me some DT.

[quote name='Merrie Melodies' timestamp='1346439003' post='3026926'] You and I allies, I feel violated already................. [/quote] Me too.

[quote name='gambona' timestamp='1346104318' post='3025747'] Nice treaty. BN are great people! o/ BN 0/ TIO [/quote] +1 well said gambona

Congrats guys, that is a great achievement I look forward to seeing the 4 mill mark soon.

This made my day. Congrats Bassman I know you will be very successfull. That and I knew about this 2 weeks ago

[quote name='Rampage3' timestamp='1344656960' post='3020742'] Polar...SAVE me!! By the way Random and Pansy, I refuse to wear the Damsel in Distress outfit. I am THIS close to employing the safe word. People have their limits. [/quote] Liar I saw your QVC account and it was already on order. [quote name='bkphysics' timestamp='1344665269' post='3020780'] I love this! Gotta root for Polar on this one, though I wish AI luck too! [/quote] You wound me sir, deeply i might add [quote name='Avakael' timestamp='1344689158' post='3020833'] I actually thought that this was going to turn out to be a treaty. [/quote] Who ever served you your last drink send one my way cuz that must be some good !@#$. My trucks are gassed and loaded

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1344612798' post='3020503'] I seem recall a discussion former Valhalla government members had with SCY in the AI DoE thread about how they stayed out of some conflict to "be able to crush DH later" or some such. This was not denied by any of the former Valhalla gov that I saw. So to say there are no anti-DH elements other than Alterego is disingenuous at best.Regardless, I will say that if you really, really wanted to roll us I suppose you would have done it in the middle of the last conflict. So I guess either the political cost would have been too great for you, or you don't really care that much. [/quote] Id like to see what you are talking about as I do not recall anything of that nature being said. Considering i was the one arguing the most with SCY. No one said that AE was the only one just that hes the most vocal and if WC can come out and spout his mouth why cant AE. [quote name='Neo Uruk' timestamp='1344626844' post='3020562'] Get. Your. !@#$@#$. Head. Checked. At this point in time, DH has far better things to do that hunt down BAPS/Valhalla/Olympus elements. Like, you know, rebuild, since we haven't sat out every other war since Karma. [/quote] LOL and this is the best you can come up with. Oly and baps both have fought in wars since Karma. [quote name='Merrie Melodies' timestamp='1344639871' post='3020601'] Funny, I remember Archon coming along and asking what it would take to get us to peace out Polaris before Top attacked. By my count that would be 2 directly started by a DH member. [/quote] [quote name='Merrie Melodies' timestamp='1344640058' post='3020602'] Watching our enemies take damage on a quarterly basis while continuing to grow and save seems like a right proper action plan. [/quote] There is no pig like Porky Pig. [quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1344640271' post='3020606'] I recall us and Duckroll hitting CnG, not the other way around. Had Polar agreed to peace behind the scenes only to see us independently choose not to go ahead with the attack, that particular war would not have occurred. [/quote] Come on Crymson lets not rewright history here. Archon played us plain and simple as soon as the roll out occured peace was achieved. CnG at the time made sure we got decimated as a whole. Well played on their part and a check mark on Grubs bucket list watching many of us burn. MK wanted that war and they got it just not the way it was planned.

[quote name='Mogar' timestamp='1344570330' post='3020378'] you sure you're not [i]Nominally[/i] interested? [/quote] dammit that is what i meant [quote name='Neo Uruk' timestamp='1344576383' post='3020410'] This is funny for numerous reasons. If you think we're plotting to roll you, you're beyond delusional. Trying to claim AlterEgo is the only one in your walls preaching the gospel of "the fall of Doomhouse" is just ignorant of [i]what people have been throwing around on the OWF for everyone to see[/i]. The rest of your post is just funny. Whoa there buddy don't tell anyone facts! Please, just take a reading comprehension course or something. [/quote] Oh the machine hard at work. [quote name='WorldConqueror' timestamp='1344577415' post='3020422'] hahaha, that's what you've got? I'm not sure whether to be really amused, slightly proud or just incredibly confused that I'm being construed as an official source of MK policy. But yes, [i]I[/i] did say that. There's an operative phrase in what I said that you should really take notice of though. But better watch out, by Methrage's logic it sounds like you're spying on MK. Also, having me saying I'd like to see Brehon get rolled is a ridiculously indirect way to try and prove that MK is planning to roll AI. [/quote] So AE saying roll MK is a ridiculously indirect way to prove that AI is planning to roll MK then right. [quote name='Lord Fingolfin' timestamp='1344578663' post='3020434'] Everything that I have seen and heard about this particular scenario suggests it is along the lines of what I referenced. WC isn't exactly enamored of NPO because he isn't Brehon's biggest fan, Alterego isn't peachy keen on MK due to BAPS back in the day, and there are several other examples in each alliance and that is being misconstrued as alliance policy by those who want to fan the fire since it is in their interest that such a conflict occur. Meh, who knows [/quote] Oh come now LF you know how this game goes wash SPIN and well see what comes out in the rinse.

May those giants who stay find a place to call home. OMFG was a classy AA and im sad to see it depart this realm. Good luck in your journeys. o/ OMFG

[quote name='Stewie' timestamp='1344473728' post='3019933'] What if MK cancels on everyone, they have done it before [/quote] LOL now that would make for an interesting world

[quote name='kriekfreak' timestamp='1344372198' post='3019654'] At least we are winning something for once. [/quote] Youve won my heart LOL im only marginally interested in this thread tbh.

Paper we dont need no stinking paper. o/ AI o/ ML

congrats to all. Shadow empire ever upwards my friends.

[quote name='supercoolyellow' timestamp='1343015456' post='3013443'] Bud, you've always had the weakness of pride, and that pride is allowing you to rationalize the decisions your alliance has made. Your post here is a perfect example by way of the wrong headed arguments you make to justify your past.[/quote] LOL that is the most asinine statement you could ever make. Ive never let my pride get in the way of making a good solid decision. There is not rational for our decision it was our decision to make and we stood by it for better or worse. [quote] Who were the allies you had on the other side? Now list the allies that were on MCXA's side.[/quote] NoR was the primary on the other side but they were not the only ones to ask us. Oly SNAFU ML. But the other question you missed is who also sat out that war. Pretty much all of DR. Everyone was informed as soon as that war broke out we would not enter. DR sat we sat Oly understood as did SNAFU. [quote]As was explained to me you guys were upset that NPO treatied an ally of yours, and did not come talk to you. In other words your issues with NPO were a bruised and petty ego.[/quote] Who told you that? For god sake why would NPO come to talk to us. Now I will say that I thought at the time they might have signed and thought that as a bonus they would get us by proxy but Val never stopped an ally from signing with whom ever. Our issues with NPO were far deeper and greater than that at the time. I personally would have loved to hit them because of said un resolved issues but we had a plan and we stuck to it. [quote]MCXA never received any aid.[/quote] No !@#$ sherlock im pretty sure you can guess why. That treaty was gone shortly after the war and honestly it had a lot to do with YOU. [quote]Valhalla seamed to be the only alliance that has ever looked at a non-chaining clause and decided it would be its first inclination to use it to avoid war, and coincidentally you found this new attitude towards your non chaining clauses in a war you would have likely lost.[/quote] LOL Val was scared of loosing a war thats funny !@#$ right there. No here is the thing we had a plan in advance and we stuck to it. Its called having a direction and going with it. [quote]Telling someone you are about to do something, does not inherently justify the action.[/quote] [quote]I don't buy it, I don't think this is about someone laying groundwork, or slates becoming clean. I think it is because now you stand to gain from a new relationship with NPO while in the past you had a new attitude that allowed you to save your alliance damage and leave out "friends" out in the field to burn.[/quote] LOL no !@#$ dumb ass. There isnt a treaty signed out there today that doesnt gain you something. Today we gained an ally that we believe we can trust and whom will respect us as equals in all our decisions.(hint this is one of the problems Val had with NPO) If you thought we were so scared of damage why didnt you pony up and test your theory. Im pretty sure both friend and foe alike will set the record straight on that one. We didnt leave anyone out on the field and if your own pride and mouth hadnt got in the way MCXA may have gotten aid bombed just like all our other allies did. Instead you were being an ass and cut the last thread that was holding that treaty.(yes there were other problems between us at that time as well) [quote]You might want to think of things as a dichotomy between the past and future, but the past is what we look to learn, and see the actions that define the people around us. Instead of seeing things as the past or as progress I choose to see things as virtuous, honorable, or lacking thereof. I'm not questioning Valhalla's honor, I'm denying its existence. I don't think you suddenly had a change of heart about Pacifica, I think two years ago you found a way to weasel yourself out of a war, and this treaty just revealed what had happened in the past. [/quote] LOL and that is why we were so successful and MCXA continues to be left in mediocrity. If your so interested in hard facts take a look at that. The rest of Bob sees it yet you cant as you allow yourself to wear blinders. Valhalla lived its last 3 years very honorably. IF you want to go back further than that then by all means lets do because MCXA 5 years ago was no better than Valhalla 5 years ago.

[quote name='Neo Uruk' timestamp='1343008568' post='3013395'] You're kidding, right? This was [i]beyond[/i] a sure treaty, and brings nothing new to the world. [/quote] I would disagree with that. There was nothing sure about this treaty the only sure treaty for AI were those in DR and SNAFU other than that nothing was sure.

[quote name='supercoolyellow' timestamp='1342998090' post='3013343'] You know, seeing this just kinda sucks. Two years ago when Valhalla didn't defend MCXA I was told several reasons. I was told they wanted to be able to defeat DH the last war, they wanted to build themselves up, that they wanted to sign treaties in new areas, but also that [i][b]they didn't want to do anything that would help an order[/b][/i]. It sucked that we had an ally tell us that they're relationship with NPO was more important than their treaty partner, and plenty of their other allies, but now I get to see them turn around and treaty the alliance that they told me led to them selling my good friends out. I'm not saying there is anything wrong people changing their minds on old enemies, but it does seam to me that that what I was told two years ago was very dishonest. [/quote] Your answers to this post lie above SCY. Even with that ill take a stab at this post. We had multiple allies in that war. Some on one side some on the others. We were VERY CLEAR to all allies we would not participate in the attacking or defending of NPO. Yes we had opportunities to enter on the other side. At that particular point in time there were issues with NPO that had not been worked out and the current administration was not exactly workable with us. We made a conscience choice to remain on the side lines of that war. For those that understood our point we were there with our long boats with rebuilding supplies as was our responsibility. There are specific reasons we put non chaining clauses in our treaties, now I cant recall anymore but if i remember right you chained in to that war as well. We didnt tell just you that we told everyone that. To be quite honest Valhalla has never resigned with NPO. Valhalla remains in the hearts and souls of some of the members of AI but as a political entity it no longer exists. With that said the current admin (Brehon) as with the former admin(Mary) laid the ground work for those of us with issues to be more comfortable with what has now occured (see my original post in this thread). Now that we are all AI and have wiped the slate clean not only for us but others we may have had a grudge against this treaty works. SCY i say this not to be a smart ass but more of friendly advice let go of the past if you do not you will never be able to progress.

[quote name='wickedj' timestamp='1342983610' post='3013286'] You know some folks who were rather vocal in our DoE with some unkind words have since shut up, just sayin' [/quote] stop it wicked i just spit water on my screen from laughing cuz ur right

[quote name='pd73bassman' timestamp='1342897507' post='3013016'] Bud you sold your soul to the devil again, good luck with this my friend [/quote] No more so than you have my friend. Hey Baka were allied to Branimir so I still think we got the short end on this deal

[quote name='Brehon' timestamp='1342847410' post='3012849'] You just made me smile Bud o/ [/quote] nahh that wasnt me some one just tugged on that new string that you have attached [quote name='Prodigal Moon' timestamp='1342849653' post='3012868'] Looks like the pendulum of influence is swinging away from Doomhouse and back toward Pacifica. Can't say I'm sad about that. [/quote] no just no. You cannot have Anarchy with out order its more of a yin and yang thing. [quote name='deathcat' timestamp='1342853266' post='3012884'] Gotta say... love it! I like that I'm one step closer to my old friends in the NEW AI... Allies of allies... Not quite close enough.. but I'll live oo/AI oo/NPO oo/Bud Giving over to the Dark Side [/quote] Its been a long road but they wore me down man. [quote name='wickedj' timestamp='1342855902' post='3012891'] Valhalla treatied to NPO, where have i seen this movie before [/quote] LOL and you sir are apart of that how does that make you feel [quote name='MCRABT' timestamp='1342857124' post='3012894'] Anarchy and Order next to each other, what a beautiful juxtaposition. Congratulations my good friends! [/quote] aye my friend Anarchy, Order and DUCKS shall we all fly south for some mojitos

Ill be honest im somewhat torn on this treaty as I swore I would never be allied to NPO. Under the current regime you guys have won me over and it is an honor to call you allies. This may hurt a bit but im sure it will get easier o/ NPO o/ US

Quak Quak quak quak quaker The thickness is strong in here.

Good to see this in writing though in reality we dont need no stinking paper to profess our love for IRON.

great to see friends getting together. Two fine AAs here.

[quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1342579608' post='3011389'] If you are criticizing Umbrella for taking on a so-called soft target in Sparta, then surely you feel that TOP is guilty of this also? [/quote] You seem a bit worried about that Crymson do you feel guilty about something or are you simply wishing to stick your nose in an argument where TOP was never brought up. IIRC Sparta gouged the !@#$ out of TOP in BIPOLAR taking a good chunk of tech. I can at least see why TOP would go after them. Umbrella on the other hand is simply on a glorified tech raid as they are bored and picked a target that would only give them nominal damage. They have 14 or so total wars yet have people running there mouths in here against an AA that i happen to like.

[quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1342572424' post='3011331'] Throughout this war, Umbrella has eagerly engaged upper-tier nations from nearly every single alliance in the enemy coalition. There are, by this stage, very few nations in the enemy's upper tier still fighting. Does this disparaging remark then extend to TOP as well? [/quote] Are members from TOP verbally attacking NoR if yes then probably if not then no.