Buds The Man

[quote name='Stewie' timestamp='1358728658' post='3081341'] So when are AI coming after Non Grata then as we are the culmination of pretty much all of the different lulz alliances there have been. \m/ 1 & 2, GOONS v1, Poison Clan, Bel Air, RAD, Freak Safari.... [/quote] OH lets take my words and try spinning them well done sir. I said there would be no return to the days of TC and we will not continue on in the manner that has become the norm of today. Where in my statement did I say we were comming after the Lulz alliances. Your taking a small chunk of a statement pushing it out of context and attempting to spin it far from its intended mark. You know as well stewie I loved PC and Kronos they may have pushed the limits but nothing like what weve seen over the last year. I would consider NG an aquantince that has great potential for friendship as we seem to attend the same balls these days and did even before the merge in to AI.

[quote name='Yevgeni Luchenkov' timestamp='1358725853' post='3081303'] I know I make this post every war, no matter who's fighting, so I'll make it again. Peace mode is a valid tactic. It becomes a cowardly - but still valid - tactic when it is used to [i]entirely[/i] escape a war: see nations staying in PM for an entire war. If Peace Mode is used to keep fresh reserves for a prolonged fight, it is definitely not only a valid but a smart tactic, no matter who uses it. As far as counters go, taunting an alliance for not entering in a rushed fashion (less than 48 hours) is idiotic. If an alliance doesn't enter after six or seven days, then you can legitimately taunt them. Makes sense, now? [/quote] well said sir well said.

[quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1358726813' post='3081322'] Repeated assertion does little to rebut the stated facts demonstrating the [i]casus belli[/i] against Umbrella to be thinner than the one-ply I pick up from the dollar store. AI did not act when others committed the same supposed wrong and Umbrella was increasing the damage against the rogue, not decreasing it. Lusitan's nukes are ghastly in their strength. It was AI's decision to not coordinate and have alterego nuke that increased the rogue's effectiveness. In and of itself, the lack of a CB is of no concern to me. As I stated earlier, I operate strictly on the basis of strategic interest; world renowned for it, really. So do many of my colleagues in DoomHouse. Those attacking Umbrella are presently doing they same. They saw an opening with the collapse of BFF. They took it. Good on 'em for not being too hesitant to seize the chance. But I will see to it that the reality of the matter is stated. You cry hypocrisy. I could very well do the same. DoomHouse was assailed for operating on thin to non-existent [i]casus belli[/i]; AI and NPO here do the same. Arguably worse--Umbrella's being attacked for [i]helping[/i] Anarchy Inc. The opponents of DoomHouse proclaimed the use of peace mode as a valid tactic, which DH actually accepted and recognized under circumstances where ultimate participation was understood to be the eventual outcome (rotation, temporary peace mode, etc.). Here those same individuals who defended peace mode condemn it. It is the very inconsistency of our enemies that forces the bizarre reversal here. But in the end all that matters is that the honest reason for things is either recognized by the public or admitted by AI/NPO (and the Emperor, to his credit, has admitted): this war is an act of strategic interest. Absolutely no more. Absolutely no less. This is not some justified crusade where the blood of innocents is to be avenged. It is the great game in play and the very worst of the world have gathered, clothed in false light, bearing crosses of balsa wood, in the hope of reclaiming their long lost preeminence. I take great satisfaction in the knowledge that the very attempt to do so ensures their failure--in a tripartite world, A and B shall burn while C is granted the opportunity to sit and watch. That is, if they're smart enough to do so. [/quote] you know Ardus you are a master of taking bits of truth and sprinkling it with a lot of spin and putting out a buffet of BS. THe best part of this speech is saying that DR will allow another hegemony like the past. Well i personally know for a fact AI will not return to that type of tyranny nor continue on with the LULZ community that MK and CO have created. To attempt to bring up old fears that allowed you (and rightfully so) to build a coalition to take down TC is a desperate maneuver. Many of those that were in power all those years ago are no longer in power now and many of us have evolved in to better communities. This CB is far from thin DH and the world was warned that we were unhappy with the hitting of puppets and yet instead of coming to us when puppets came out they went ahead and filled his slots. This was nothing more than F U to AI and a do something about it. We did. This has been coming for quite a while and if you werent prepared or didnt want this maybe you as an ally should have spoken to them as I am very sure that YOU knew our feelings on this. So please stop the BS.

[quote name='Caliph' timestamp='1358640141' post='3080377'] And this is where we are not communicating, since Umbrella taking 3 slots prevents AI from taking 3 more slots which means damage is spread out to Umbrella as well as AI instead lf just on AI, so AI takes less over all damage, thus invalidating your claim that this move hurts AI more. [/quote] edited Luisatan is nuking.

[quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1358607455' post='3079928'] ~all ex-heg come out to play, hip-hip hip-hip hooray!~ [/quote] This is just hilarious considering Umbrella was a part of that hegemony for a time. Really this is 4 year old propoganda attempting to bring back old fears. Its very poor. [quote name='Jake Liebenow' timestamp='1358614654' post='3079996'] Ya know, you guys coulda went and helped out Umbrella with their Blood In Blood Out pact and coordinated to take out Mo9P. But clearly the idea of working together against a rogue, or really any sort of conscious thought, was never something to be expected from this side. [/quote] Diplomacy goes both ways. Respect needs to be had on both sides. Umbrella could have come to us and said hey look this is what we have. AFAIK nothing like that was ever done. When I questioned a .gov member of Umbrella he said he was on a tech raid. It would be pretty simply to say hey were fullfilling a policy but no mention was ever made of BIBO and untill this thread i had never heard of it. [quote name='Emperor Marx' timestamp='1358616928' post='3080014'] Will TPF actually fight or are you going to keep drooling all over the place? Brehon is a manipulative liar? Say it ain't so. Holy !@#$ are you serious? This is the most ridiculous argument I have ever read, this week. What act of aggression did Umbrella perpetrate? Hint: None. And risk their coalition splintering further? No way man. They've been so desperate for any reason to go to war and now they finally manufactured one. In this case had they adhered to the normal protocol with regards to rogues that would have meant an amicable solution being found. That solution wouldn't work with DR's and NPO's !@#$%^&* propaganda about the evil Doom House oppressors and they know it. [/quote] Marx i suggest you read the last thing I quote as puppets states he was feeding info back to DH. Which is spying and kinda brings more validity to the accusastions that Umbrella was an active participant. [quote name='Rush Sykes' timestamp='1358629111' post='3080215'] Lets be perfectly clear.... I have no problem with this CB... with this war.. if I were AI, id have done EXACTLY the same thing. But, my friend, when you went a round of wars as AI did , without DoWing MK... or hitting the lone guy on FOK... or DoWing Dark Templar for doing EXACTLY this same thing.... you cannot run in on the moral high ground and claim outrage. I maintained from day 1.... and Brehon and a few others can attest to this... after the 1st rounds incident, AI should have announced that they considered his slots their slots. However, when you ignore something one week, then act on it a 2nd week, when a completely different party is the violator, it does NOT give you a moral high ground, it gives you what everyone knew everyone was waiting on.. something that would fly with their allies. Nothing more, nothing less. [/quote] Fair enough Rush but I believe private channels were used to voice AIs displeasure at those slots being taken. [quote name='Masterof9puppets' timestamp='1358635972' post='3080313'] Everything that this man has said is the absolute truth. Take note of it. There are only so many times that I can correct you and others on this before just realizing that you have an extra chromosome to deal with. I went rogue on December 25th. After posting my rogue/quitting/dow thread, three nations declared on me. FOK, MK Applicant, & DT. You'll notice that none of those alliances are named Umbrella. After that single round of war, I slipped into peace mode because I could- since the raiders broke my stagger. If AI was on top of their game, I'm sure they could have slipped someone in to DoW me at update. I then spent 12 days rebuying my nukes, and then left peace mode. Before I declared my new set of wars, I logged onto IRC and said that I was out of peace mode, and declaring in minutes. Three Umbrella members then declared on me. I proceeded to declare my wars, and blow my entire 4.5 bil warchest. As JoshuaR stated, this should be proof enough that I'm out after this round, so stop whining that the stagger was broken- it is irrelevant. [b]During this time, I also fed 2 AI intel spy ops per day to Doomhouse. They have most of the upper tier now.[/b] When I say "this was the plan", I mean that this was [i]my[/i] plan, not Umbrellas. My plan was to start this war, and I succeeded. Sorry dudes, you know you all wanted it. [/quote] So here we see that Puppets planned to start a war by playing tensions. Thing I see here is that now our claims that Umbrella was in on it have been confirmed or at least given more credibility as DH was fed spy reports on our upper tier. Seems like the "paranoia" that marx claims we have is actually a good solid gut feeling. Otherwise DH could have easily come to us and said hey hes feeding us spy reports. ( I know it would never happen on either side but for arguments sake.) Then going back through the Nuke reports if each Rogue is required to eat six nukes wouldnt that have been fullfilled in the first round unless they have to be umbrella nukes then why is there not a single Umbrella nuke launched. While BIBO may be policy and I cant argue yes or no but if its policy then all three of the nations attacking puppets are not doing their diligent duty in fullfilling the obligation.

[quote name='magicninja' timestamp='1358575008' post='3079646'] I love you guys. You know this but I have to disagree. You claim it was purposeful but all you have is speculation based on the timing. I'll admit you're probably right about the individuals working in collusion with Puppets but there is no real proof of it. Then, I've seen where Umb high gov had no clue this was going on. Usually the old addage was the membership pays for gov actions....this time the gov wasn't in on it IF there was anything to be in on.....so dunno. I think diplomacy could have worked something out. I just think you guys wanted this and I'm cool with it. Rather get this whole thing done now and move on but don't say it's a good CB when its really not Brehon. It could be if you have solid proof of collusion. All you have is wars declared within minutes of eachother which could actually be coincidence or puppets hitting AI on his own knowing his slots were getting taken by Umb but the Umb guys not knowing. Not so solid as you claim but reason nonetheless so I ain't mad. Let's just be honest and keep it in context here. If you have info that dispels my concerns here...by all means I'm open. Until then I see it as quite a bit opportunist and without a great deal of merit...a tiny shred but not much. I don;t even care about Umb and I like you guys and AI a great deal. I just call them like I see 'em. [/quote] Just an FYI if im not mistaken White Majik is umbrella gov there for they knew what was going on.

well tyga and STA happy b-day

[quote name='Judge X' timestamp='1358570433' post='3079564'] Can I aid you some money to send a nuke with my name on it? [/quote] I may take you up on that in 40-60 days but right now I think my 30 mill WC will suffice

[quote name='commander thrawn' timestamp='1358570125' post='3079557'] But where's the fun in that. lol Have fun Bud. [/quote] Oh I will i am sure that both of my targets will probably take me to the wood shed and ill kick the hell out of their ankles on the way and enjoy it.

[quote name='Tiggah' timestamp='1358568327' post='3079522'] Looking forward to the casualty opportunities this here declaration presents. Good to see my old buddies back on their game and smashing things. Good luck, former Valhallans! Don't know if we'll get to dance, but this here is my song! [/quote] Still love you man glad you didnt leave this world.

[quote name='Centurius' timestamp='1358553836' post='3078865'] Finally you showed some balls. [/quote] I often wonder what changed you. Simply going to top and drinking the kool-aid. I recall a time when many of us were good friends. [quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1358555342' post='3078975'] The lot of you had better get ready for some serious pain. [/quote] Thats all you have Crymson. The pain was watching top try and back door Valhalla for how long and seeing a great ally get hurt in the process. Hell its even been confirmed my johnny apocolypse back in this thread. As you continually called us liars and fear mongers. There is no pain that you can bring to us I await you on the field of battle. [quote name='commander thrawn' timestamp='1358555708' post='3079000'] You call that a blitz? [/quote] Considering 35 nations were anarchied and most of us up declared seems like a pretty good run. While I know the anarchy stat is irrelevant it still shows that the plan went well. [quote name='tamerlane' timestamp='1358555738' post='3079004'] The true power lies not in AI's nation strength but in the quality of their posting. [/quote] sick burn bro the quality comming from you is superb. [quote name='commander thrawn' timestamp='1358563583' post='3079410'] The impressive thing is that Umbrella has only used 2 offensive slots by my last count. So 11 anarchies on people who down-declared. [/quote] Thrawn your better than this. I believe if you look at many of our declarations they are declared up not down. [quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1358567444' post='3079490'] [color=#0000ff]I must admit, your ability to congratulate yourself on shaping world events you have had absolutely no part in continues to astound me. Someday, I too aspire to reach your level of self-delusion.[/color] [/quote] Why on earth would you ever want to take a step back in life RV, your way beyond him man be proud dont short change yourself. Heres to some fun and fighting along side some good peeps and fighting against an opponent that with PC and Kronos made my nation a crater many moons ago. Lets have some fun boys and leave it all on the table.

[quote name='Penlugue Solaris' timestamp='1356891065' post='3069450'] You are pretty cool bro. [/quote] Your responses intrigue me even more

[quote name='flak attack' timestamp='1356759764' post='3069031'] That's not what I'm seeing from where I'm standing. The worst AI will do is complain and moan about us because they don't have the pair it would take to stand up and fight us. [/quote] So what your saying here is that your intentionally trying to provoke a defensive war here because you wont just out and out declare on us. I could really care less and quite honestly this whole portion of the thread started because some slag from denios came out and said AI has done nothing. Then some unknown from Umbrella started running his mouth about how AI has done nothing. WE AS AN AA have only been here 6 months, it took MK 1.5 years to really make a huge change here on Bob. So who was moaning I believe it was a couple out of your camp that started this line. FLAK if you want us come on out and get us. I guess you should have done it back when we formed but you passed on it. You keep spinning your wheels trying to force something here. Everyone seems to want to be on the defensive here so stop pointing fingers cuz I know you guys wont come out and hit us. Puppets my friend thank you for bringing a little bit of drama back to the forums the BS from both sides has made me laugh.

[quote name='flak attack' timestamp='1356750747' post='3068970'] Our nation is perfectly in line with our raid rules. Wait, I thought Umb didn't ever fight? Which is it? Does Umb always do the heavy work or are they too afraid to fight? [/quote] Show me where I have said that. I have said they have teched themselves out of usefullness as they have to much in the top tier. But If you would read instead of trying to be a smart ass you would see that I said BANK of umbrella.

Dude we have existed less than 6 months so by all means lets talk. The Mighty Bank of umbrella doing MKs !@#$%* work since 2007

[quote name='Gloin' timestamp='1356740658' post='3068937'] As opposed to your sphere which has done.......what exactly? [/quote] Wow did you just say that with a straight face. Some one from CnG or DH could say this but how do you rate to say it. WHAT have you done.

My mistake though Auniur was. He wasnt there long but I thought he was. I could be wrong its happened before just not often

pfft I have faith in both you and TLR hows about that

[quote name='Masterof9puppets' timestamp='1356643612' post='3068570'] They aren't counters, they're raids. Just one, I don't think Timmehh was ever in Kronos. Well I didn't want to hit [b]people that I liked :>[/b] [/quote] YOU LIKED ME YAY Thats why I said two out of the three as Vespa and Auniur are both former Kronos. o/ Kronos

2 out of three are ex kronos

[quote name='Timberland' timestamp='1356434900' post='3067821'] Have fun on your way out, I was hoping to get to play but you're no where near my range [/quote] Agreed hoping he comes my way as well . [quote name='Lusitan' timestamp='1356450876' post='3067860'] We wouldn't throw a large nation at you, we'd throw 80. [/quote] Then quit side stepping and do it already [quote name='Feanor Noldorin' timestamp='1356457055' post='3067873'] You've exposed them. Don't be a punk and back out now. [/quote] ohh come on Feanor your better than this not much but better sorry I didnt make your list Puppets maybe ill catch you next round. Good luck out IRL.

Same to you Brehon and the rest of us fools that are still here.

[quote name='Azaghul' timestamp='1355693744' post='3064663'] No the difference is that Non Grata is honest about it's aggression and doesn't cover it with a pretense of moralism. Gremlins have always had a moralist side, yet they still used might makes right when it pleased them to take over their old AA and destroy the alliance that was there. If we are so weak, why don't you come and get us? I hear a lot of warmongering from the other side but very little action. I guess that's to be expected from self-proclaimed casualty whores who skipped out on two of the last three global conflicts. [/quote] Says the man who helped orchestrate a separate war so as not to defend an ally should they need it.

that statement is way off Bass this has been in the works since we formed.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1354996766' post='3061884'] [color=#0000ff]You give your alliance too much credit. Really, you were a collection of small sub-par alliances before the merge, now after the merge you're just one large sub-par alliance. After the next war I imagine you will be right down with MHA and Sparta, where you belong. You know how the saying goes....[/color] [color=#0000ff]Anyway, I'd like to nominate myself. I'm awesome, and continue to be.[/color] [/quote] You are a has been RV whose relevance has faded. Your continued attempts at regaining some form of your previous stature are sad. You should really try to stop embarrassing your self and go get your jello and meds. [quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1355073771' post='3062129'] This was an outright delusion that your alliance and the rest of Duckroll invented for yourselves. When we asked for evidence on your embassy, the "evidence" (note the quotation marks) we were shown was limited to a short snippet of logs from a member of MK who was not in government and never had been in government. When we asked for more, we were told something along the lines of "We don't need to show you any more evidence. This is just how it is." Well, whatever. I guess fear and conflict fuel this game. [/quote] You sir get the cake. We showed you what we had and it was more than enough to cause concern. How many times did yall tell us you had to intercede to keep us from getting rolled whether it was MJ or something else. You know damn well MK had a hard on for BAPS and Val. To sit here now and say it was delusional is !@#$@#$ bull !@#$ and YOU KNOW IT. Im sure we should have just trusted TOP as they for sure had our best interest in mind didnt they. Jack Tarr Brehon Scorp