Schad

[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1320452148' post='2838998'] I imagine one of those web traffic statistics websites.. example: [url=http://siteanalytics.compete.com/cybernations.net/]click[/url] [/quote] 13,000 unique visitors in September, in a game with ~16,000 users and the necessity of logging in at least once a month HOW MANY MULTIES DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE!?

Just when you think the thread couldn't possibly get better...

[quote name='kriekfreak' timestamp='1320353049' post='2837899'] inb4 NPL declares on TOP (just because I think they would mix the two up). [/quote] Should keep an eye on the aid screen for NPL's invasion force.

I demand that this announcement be stricken from the record, and re-announced in an hour. Also, $%&@ you !@#$@#$ $%&@ers, I wanted that 50 tech...upon seeing this, I checked the date and saw that it was in fact the 29th. But only in my time zone. A little part of me died this day. Edit: also congrats on peace etc.

Congrats to everyone involved...looked like a damned fine war. And RE, you're doing it right. Well done for not only picking an incredibly difficult fight, but for fighting it well.

Kudos, RE, that's an indisputable up-declare. You've done an excellent job of fixing the shortcomings of RE iterations past, and you deserve quite a bit of respect for doing so.

[quote name='rapmanej' timestamp='1319040330' post='2828652'] why not make it: "everyone picks a date, winner gets 50 tech 3 mil from everyone who picked the wrong date" You'd get much more participation [/quote] It'd also likely get won by a NG trium then...I know I'd let a war drag on for a few extra days to pick up 1000+ tech and $100m+.

October 29th.

Tet(ris), Offensive. Just a warning: if this war doesn't chain, I [i]will[/i] come up with puns more terrible and incomprehensible than that.

Number of Soldiers Lost in All Wars. 78,187 Attacking + 110,681 Defending = 188,868 Casualties Not bad, given that I haven`t topped 1600 infra at any point in this round.

Looking at the nation counts from the past two days (Tetris' coalition lost nine nations, apparently) and BTA's fall off the cliff today, guessing that some of their non-fighting members have sought other climes?

Congrats, Norse and hillbillies alike.

October 20th.

[quote name='NeoGandalf' timestamp='1318429459' post='2823478'] Schad - at least his nukes won't be hurting your stronger nations [/quote] Yeah, I'm not complaining...heck, the "War Declared!" email might even wake one or two of them up.

[quote name='bcortell' timestamp='1318397917' post='2823310'] Heh, there's about 4 guys and 15K of NS I could have kicked off the AA, but Schad figured you guys might actually hit them like it mattered. [/quote] Never underestimate the ability of certain people to seek out the softest targets possible. Like [url=http://tournament.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=1000551]this guy[/url], with 8 nukes, an MP and an HNMS, who was active enough to counter, and jumped on two nations who had stopped playing, and another half his size. Not poking fun at Anonymous...every alliance has at least a nation or two like that, but it's always funny to see them rush out and fill their offensive slots with people who can't possibly harm them or anyone else, and thus avoid the possibility that some government type could come along and ask them to hit someone threatening.

[quote name='NeoGandalf' timestamp='1318396140' post='2823293'] Anonymous: 34 nations 249,096 total NS 7,326 average NS 81 nukes Pork Shrimp: 40 nations 283,067 total NS 7,077 average NS 112 nukes For those who care to know Good luck and have fun everybody. [/quote] Wow, did we really add that many nukes in the couple hours before/after update? Guess it's the WRCs...pretty sure we were in the mid 80s or low 90s earlier tonight.

[quote name='Charles Stuart' timestamp='1318253581' post='2822155'] Umm, no. We were amazed at the fact that you had oMDoAPs. There is a difference between optional and non chaining. [/quote] You might be even more amazed to find out that you too have oMDoAPs. Last year, NSO found itself in a bit of a bind, in a situation where non-chaining clauses didn't apply...and you asked your allies to stay out of it, and they complied.

[quote name='Ch33kY' timestamp='1318120654' post='2821168'] So many alliances haven't updated thier treaty lists. [/quote] Heh, PF didn't even have a wiki entry until today, and when I created one (a terrible, terrible one), the name of the bloc got 'corrected' to the name of the treaty. The wiki is great for those alliances who update it, but it's definitely somewhat less than reliable on the whole.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1318010191' post='2819870'] Why is 15% of Basketball Ninjas in peace mode? [/quote] I have it on good authority that we've discovered some sort of illicit secret function of peace mode which leads to unimaginable riches. But don't tell anyone.

[quote name='USMC123' timestamp='1317699359' post='2815472'] Nothing. It was beautiful. Did that change the fact he isn't in office? [/quote] I just find it amusing that you're arguing that there was no government support for the action, while you're in government and openly supported it.

[quote name='USMC123' timestamp='1317697268' post='2815416'] And you're forgetting the part where one of the perpetrators stepped down and the other was removed from office. [/quote] This was [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=105532&view=findpost&p=2808026]your reaction[/url] to the actions of those perpetrators: [quote]This is beautiful.[/quote] Heh, what changed?

Right decision, Legion, win or lose.

[quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1317281919' post='2811436'] Sticking to a price and not budging is actually not negotiating by its very nature. So, it appears it is not only my comments you struggle to comprehend.[/quote] Negotiation doesn't begin when one party moves off a number...it begins when the aggrieved party doesn't simply roll the other. Reps [i]are the compromise[/i] in any negotiation around here. [quote] You'll also notice I have not said NG should have negotiated just that an earlier comment ridiculing UPN for not negotiating when it was made clear no negotiation was to be entered into was a contradiction.[/quote] In response to questions about why NG went to war rather than continue the diplomatic process. NG was set at $30m, and UPN seems to have indicated that they weren't paying more than $6m; if both parties have a figure they feel fair and aren't going to budge from it, it's only going to end one way.

[quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1317280647' post='2811418'] I have double checked and I am typing in English so I can only conclude that comprehension is the issue here. If you read and comprehended what I wrote you would have seen this and understood it: That is, on experience, I find the 3 million figure low but without the reports to calculate the figure from it is merely my opinion based on experience. At no point did I say nor insinuate that UPN should have offered above the damages done, that is merely a figment of your imagination. [/quote] Comprehension is the issue, but I'm not sure that it's mine. My point wasn't related to what UPN offered, but rather to this: [quote="Tygaland"]On the other hand it was made clear to UPN that 30 million was the lowest offer and that not accepting it meant war. This was a little high-handed and a contradiction of some of the rhetoric here about UPN not negotiating. It is tough to negotiate with someone not interested in negotiation.[/quote] If NG have calculated it at roughly $30m in damages (and I haven't run the numbers either), setting a price and sticking to it =/= not interested in a fair negotiation, because the starting point is an amount commensurate to losses...it's a bill for damages, not a yard sale.

[quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1317279163' post='2811370'] I'm neither here nor there on this one. Raiding aligned nations is always a risk and when you trip a mine you pay up reps, usually above to odds. I also have trouble believing a raid on a 20K and a 30K nation did only 3 million in damages but without the reports to calculate anything from it is just my opinion based on experience. On the other hand it was made clear to UPN that 30 million was the lowest offer and that not accepting it meant war. This was a little high-handed and a contradiction of some of the rhetoric here about UPN not negotiating. It is tough to negotiate with someone not interested in negotiation. But, as with most things these days this appears to be another "foot-in-the-door" opportunity to have a crack as another couple of alliances by the usual suspects. Have fun guys. [/quote] If that's what the calculated the damages to be, that's exactly how the negotiation should have worked...they set a price that compensated for damages done, and stuck to their number. Would it have been better if they'd started at a figure disproportionate to damages and allowed themselves to be talked down to $30m?