Felix von Agnu

[quote name='Chief Savage Man' timestamp='1294357996' post='2566379'] If this was somebody who wasn't Penkala in an alliance that isn't VE, there would be almost unanimous agreement that the senator was in the wrong. [/quote] This pretty much sums up the thread, and should end the stupid argument going on here.

Well, with Peggy Sue gone, I find I hate UPN quite a bit less. (Wish I would have found out about that whole Peggysus thing earlier though.)

This whole thing is massively stupid. TGE needs to be disbanded; whether internally, or by force. I honestly hate how disbandment has been brought into such a taboo. I felt it made things more interesting. Most decent TGE members I knew are elsewhere (Hi Valdemar!). Also, who the $%&@ cares where an alliance recruits people from? As long as they keep whatever views they hold out of the game, I don't really care. I like how Nordreich pretty much is acting like the cool kid here, distancing themselves from someone they feel will just hurt their image later. Their choice though. At least we get drama out of it!

Enough with this talking, I say we go $%&@ up some turtles. FakeEdit: Holy crap, Rebel Virginia not shouting for our downfall and defending us?

[quote name='Bob Ilyani' timestamp='1290877939' post='2524651'] Dammit VE, your habits of extortion make me sick. How dare you take $1000 from a new nation when the standard in this game is supposed to be $900? BURN VE BURN [/quote] I think you missed a few zeros there. It should be 90,000,000.

Aren't you the guy who tried to convince us to attack Nordreich or something? FakeEdit: Yes, it was you. Also, you went rogue on NPO, that is why you are being attacked. (If I'm recalling right)

[quote name='AirMe' timestamp='1290006039' post='2515888'] [img]http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/3924/lebubu.jpg[/img] wrounged? Is that even a word? [/quote] Can someone fill me in on the whole "Meow Meow Meow" thing? I have totally missed it. Edit: Why the hell is there such a debate on if this should be posted? That's stupid.

Well this sucks. I can't really say I liked the direction PnL took after awhile, but I really liked how it started out. Good luck to TFD. (I would say Zenith too, but they had to go and disband )

[quote name='ktarthan' timestamp='1289347933' post='2508681'] Likely for slot economy. Same slot usage, more value. [/quote] If economy was really such an issue, why not just go for the original 3mil, or even just take it out on the former member?

[quote name='ktarthan' timestamp='1289347025' post='2508669'] They don't. [/quote] Edit: Nevermind, saw your above post. Still doesn't explain why they felt entitled to 250 tech, though.

[quote name='Denial' timestamp='1289271823' post='2507083'] No, that is not all of what Tyga has been saying. He has been claiming that we are looking for any excuse to roll NSO. That is blatant misinformation. [/quote] Tyga mentioned rolling NSO once, and that was saying that MK and friends would be ready to roll NSO if needed. Other than that I can't see him saying you are looking for an excuse to roll NSO. Either you are an idiot and can't comprehend what he's saying, or you are trying to deflect his rather valid criticisms of your alliance.

[quote name='Denial' timestamp='1289269372' post='2506986'] There's a difference between being in a stronger negotiating position and your ludicrous claim that we are looking for any excuse to roll NSO. [/quote] I believe Tyga is saying that you were abusing your stronger position to force NSO to pay for something that should have been a non-issue.

[quote name='Penlugue Solaris' timestamp='1289263934' post='2506837'] Its pretty clear you have a different opinion on what an alliance is responsible for then I do, and argument will do nothing to change that. I disagree completely with your statement, and that's about all that can be determined from this discussion. Two differing opinions on the responsibility of alliances. [/quote] I see the whole situation as an effective rogue. An NSO nation did something, got kicked out, and is open to any consequences. If this were a standard rogue the situation would be resolved at "He is no longer a member, go have fun with him." Instead you have MK trying to profit from the situation by asking for tech, when quite frankly I don't see where they have any damned claim to any tech. 3mil from the harbor aid, sure, but not 3mil/50 tech for each trade partner. I've lost trades at day 18/19 of a back collect before. Suck it up like everyone else. (Last sentence not aimed at you, Bob, but at the MK nations.)

Glad to see people actually taking action. Sad to see its someone inept doing it, and against people who just have the fortune of good allies.

[quote name='pezstar' timestamp='1288788320' post='2500814'] This month, we're adding a caveat. Please don't ask us what we think of your alliance. Those questions are stupid and generally self serving. We're just not going to respond to them anymore. [/quote] Not a question so much as a "Holy God, thank you!" Seriously, I hate the "What do you think about my alliance" questions. Thank you for your progressiveness in this matter.

Congrats on not giving up right away, I guess. Also, why does it look like the title says III months. Isn't that 3, not 2?

[quote name='Hadrian' timestamp='1288782856' post='2500791'] And this is why I voted 'No' on the ConC-AcTi treaty... This really is just a big bag of fail. xR1 is a fail of a leader, and I don't know a lot about AcTi admittedly, but with people like Teddyo and xR1 in there, pfftt... Now..if AcTi would like to merge into ConC please... [/quote] Right after saying you don't want a treaty with them, you say you wouldn't mind a merger? Seriously, is my only response to that. It baffles me beyond words. Also, congrats to Teddyyo for being rid of two of the most inept leaders I have ever had to deal with. Go find somewhere better and let tweedle-dee and tweedle-dumb run the alliance in whatever direction they want. Hint: That direction is probably going to be down.

[quote name='Locke' timestamp='1288477870' post='2497539'] It was closer to 41. And said dissenters were off their collective rocker. We've always been a top-oriented alliance, Arrnea's always been top dog. Those who don't rabidly follow Elrich's every word have always been fine with it. Elrich held control while Arrnea was rendered inactive, and those who plotted to remove Arrnea just wanted to be in control again, despite the fact that Elrich made for a !@#$@#$ terrible leader who nearly brought another alliance to declare on us for his ineptitude. [/quote] Sorry for the inaccuracy, it wasn't intended. However I still think that if roughly 25% of the alliance is unhappy with the current gov something is wrong. Of course, if they were off their collective rocker, don't all sides benefit by them splintering off?

[quote name='Locke' timestamp='1288473558' post='2497495'] Wrong. It was 80% since we were founded. I believe it was LOWERED, much to my chagrin. It should not be easy to impeach a leader. [/quote] While I agree with that, you do have to realize that such a high percentage may end up with having splinter alliances when an unpopular leader can't be removed. Also, as I and many others have stated, having 13 out of 31-ish (going off of memory) people should tell any competent leader that they are doing something wrong, and instead of throwing a fit and declaring a coup, try to improve whatever it is they are doing.

How could you miss such A Colossal Announcement? D:

[quote name='goldielax25' timestamp='1288459276' post='2497348'] I think if 40% of my alliance voted to remove me from power, that it'd probably be time to let someone else take over. That a new alliance formed from this should not have surprised anyone. [/quote] Great News! I'll get to work on the paperwork to start that vote now.

Don't have time to read all 6 pages at this point. Just because they used the charter to try and impeach Arrnea doesn't make it a coup. What is the point in having a part of the charter that will remove someone in power, if the people who use it just get branded traitors? Also, I think 13 people saying that something is wrong with the current leadership should be a wakeup call to those being impeached.

[quote name='Quinoa Rex' timestamp='1288381038' post='2496551'] It's like you thought we were going to stay treatyless. Where do you guys get this information? [/quote] Probably WFCN Talk, or CNTel. They are wonderfully reputable sources that are never wrong. Also, some people may just be complete idiots. That is possible too.

[quote name='Krausberg' timestamp='1288377124' post='2496504'] But if GOONS or Umbrella get attacked MK and the rest of PB come to their defense EDIT: Grammar [/quote] Congratulations! You understand how mutual treaties work. You get a gold star.

In before a Pando....nevermind. It will be interesting to see where MK goes from here, congrats to all parties, etc etc.