Felix von Agnu

I always thought this treaty would be ended by the International. Oh well, at least they don't have to worry about them anymore.

Given past comments, this isn't surprising at all.

[quote name='Emperador del Oeste' date='25 June 2010 - 12:41 AM' timestamp='1277440880' post='2349692'] You are by far the coolest person this thread so far. I would give you a medal, but I think Che and Deebo deserve it more for basically running most PnL things as of late. edit: Oh yeah welcome GUN. Glad to be wiener-buddies and whatever. [/quote] Ya know, you could give a medal to the person who played a major role in founding the bloc in the first place. PnL train certainly seems to be growing, not quite sure how I really feel about a new alliance just showing up and running things though. Oh well, c'est la vie.

I think we have a winner of Worst Alliance Name of 2010 award.

There is not a facepalm large enough for this whole cluster$%&@. Seriously, what he said wasn't all that vile. All I see is people trying to create a mountain out of a molehill.

I think the lesson here is "Don't play with fire unless you want to get burned." I like ya Skippy, but I've gotta say that the way you guys handled yourselves you were inviting that sort of comment.

Wow, I haven't seen Cossar around in ages. Good luck to your new gov members!

[quote name='Omniscient1' date='23 June 2010 - 05:43 PM' timestamp='1277329373' post='2348074'] If you are powerful enough reps are always obtainable. Have you learned nothing as the new Hegemon of CN? [/quote] Well, let me put it this way. If I were in the position I described, I would in fact try to get reps for the alliance I was protecting. I doubt that they would be able to be secured though. If I got the reasoning "Well, there was no protectorate announced." I would go for reps as a sign of good will. Of course when it comes to Vilien and GOONS, I'm sure there is not a lot of good will to spare. Edit: [quote name='ktarthan' date='23 June 2010 - 05:49 PM' timestamp='1277329728' post='2348080'] But by that very same line of thought I can also argue that GOONS encourages small alliances to seek out protectorates, thus promoting friendship and enriching the politics of Bob. [/quote] GOONS, the muggers with the purest intentions.

[quote name='Vilien' date='23 June 2010 - 05:33 PM' timestamp='1277328808' post='2348060'] I drew my arbitrary line at one minute. Would you care to share with us where you'd like to draw yours? [/quote] I'd draw it at zero minutes. If its not announced, how could raiders know one exists? [quote] It should be abundantly obvious to you why my request was entirely reasonable, if you have any trouble comprehending why I consider a protectorate announced [i]one minute[/i] after a raid to have an effect on that raid you may consider consulting any of your friends in possession of a brain. Applying a shoddy deconstructivist argument, especially in such a steadfast manner, does absolutely nothing to dissuade me or any reasonable, rational bystanders that politely asking that a raid be stopped falls within my rights as a protector. [/quote] I have no trouble comprehending why you are doing it. If the attacks happen while the alliance is under your protection, sure knock yourself out getting reps. However if the attacks happen before the protectorate is announced but the war is still on-going, you could ask for the war to stop and be within your rights but I don't think reps would be obtainable.

[quote name='Vilien' date='23 June 2010 - 05:21 PM' timestamp='1277328067' post='2348045'] When a nation being raided joins an alliance that alliance will politely ask the nations raiding it to stop. The protection that any contract offers, whether it be in a treaty or in a contractually bound group of nations, does not cease to have validity because the initial actions of an aggressor occurred one minute before the agreement was publicly announced. [/quote] You haven't actually answered my question. Nice job though. Does the protection cease to have validity if the aggressions occur two minutes before the agreement? How about three, or four, or five, or so on? Where do you draw this arbitrary line? To show I'm a man of my word though, I will answer your question; No, probably not.

[quote name='Vilien' date='23 June 2010 - 05:16 PM' timestamp='1277327748' post='2348034'] If a tree falls in a forest and alerts a raiding nation to the existence of a microalliance, does he say please before he destroys that alliance needlessly? [/quote] I'll answer yours if you answer mine. EDIT: Is the alliance only 1-3 nations big? If so, I fail to see how he can destroy the entire alliance.

[quote name='Vilien' date='23 June 2010 - 03:43 PM' timestamp='1277322196' post='2347927'] Perhaps you should have actually read the treaty, it clearly includes the relevant signatures of the second party. My dear Sardonic, I believe you are losing your touch. Irrelevant. What kind of protector would I be if I allowed violence to be done to my protectees based on a triviality like timing? [/quote] In moralism land, when someone commits an act and it is later made illegal, do you arrest them? [quote name='Haflinger' date='23 June 2010 - 04:49 PM' timestamp='1277326137' post='2348004'] I think they'd revise their policy if MHA did it; if NPO did it though, they'd be among the first on the roll NPO bandwagon again. [/quote] If they are the first ones on, is it really a bandwagon?

Good luck out there. Don't mind all the chest thumping going on by that one person, Argent will take good care of y'all.

[quote name='Londo Mollari' date='18 June 2010 - 03:16 AM' timestamp='1276845396' post='2341696'] I don't remember who told me this before, but I have had this argument used against me before in a similiar situation. I told the person that the Athens charter allows me absolute power over military operations, linked him to our stats, and asked him if he wanted me to wipe him off the planet. He relented quickly. :v [/quote] I can't say I would have handled the situation any differently. I don't mind raiding, but when someone starts saying their charter allows them to do anything without consequences, it is time to teach them a lesson.

Congrats on the treaty.

[quote name='Haflinger' date='21 June 2010 - 01:02 PM' timestamp='1277139724' post='2345343'] Alas, no. An awful lot of raiders agree with Jacapo's interpretation of where the responsibility lies now. [/quote] If it was an unwritten agreement I would agree with Jacapo. How could a raider know if an AA is protected by an agreement if there is nothing that says an agreement exists? I still think raiders should be held accountable if they don't check the wiki, or nation bio's though.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' date='17 June 2010 - 05:42 PM' timestamp='1276810919' post='2341025'] [color="#0000FF"]You can make all the excuses you want but you'll never escape your history of cowardice. Nor can you deny your resentment of the Vox movement. Bastion was an early example of that. Bastion was create for no other purpose than to try and embarrass Vox so that you could please your NPO masters. Well, it was originally formed to counter the NPO, but you got discovered (heaven forbid). Really, you were a group of cowards always afraid to be open about your feelings. So yes, my point stands. Bastion, instead of being a counter to Q, was made into an attack on Vox. You fellows do like making funnies don't you? I bring this up solely for the point that Bastion's cancellation is as insignificant as its creation, so one must ask, if a bloc had no real purpose then for what reason was it even created? The answer is simple. To try and discredit Sponge.[/color] [/quote] What would the entire point of exposing a bloc meant to counter Q be? It seems a bit counter productive to your end goal.

What genius would actually say that they could raid a protected AA because their charter allows it.

[quote name='nippy' date='16 June 2010 - 07:12 PM' timestamp='1276729907' post='2339989'] Why would you offer sleprithslayer assistance? [/quote] Some people just want to lose their infra, and are too lazy to do it themselves.

This is about as surprising as the sun rising.

All this thread has made me do is wonder when the bubblegum will run out.

This whole mess is a good example of why you should think twice about mergers. They don't really work when both parties have different ideas of how to run an alliance.

Reviving a name won't revive a community. No matter how much you want it to. Also, Rebel Virginia won this thread.

[quote name='Peggy_Sue' date='13 June 2010 - 12:08 AM' timestamp='1276402088' post='2335824'] Whoa. Who first brought up talk of downgrading the treaty? UPN. When did I bring it up? About a month ago. Don't spin it differently, Duncan King. [/quote] Well, that was unnecessary. I don't really see anything that you said that really contradicts what DK said. DK mentioned that the whole BAPS/UPN hilarity didn't influence their decision, and that this was done before it all happened. There isn't any spinning going on, and I don't even see why you would want to make that accusation if you were still friendly towards TFD.

I would say I am sad to see this, but I'm not. o/ TFD.