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[quote name='Clash' timestamp='1339875229' post='2985900'] You accepted a nation on a ZI list - which he earned and admitted he earned - then used the method of ZIing him as a bs excuse for a war. But we've gone back and forth on this many times, and other than MK and a few allies, I think it's pretty obvious that most people know the truth. I do wish y'all had sack enough to admit that truth though. Umbrella sucks almost as bad as you do, but at least they were honest. Your reason is the same as theirs. [/quote] The last time we did that and attacked "because we don't like you", you and your ilk complained all the same. Do us all a favour and stop whining about this and that.

[quote name='Bob Janova' timestamp='1339702343' post='2983832'] [*]CSN's public declaration of the ZI status was posted, at the latest (latest edit time on [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=111450]this post[/url]), [b]at 12th June, 21.09. Dave didn't move to the MK AA until 21.06.[/b] [/quote] Honest question, Bobby J: am I misunderstanding something or did someone change how time works? Unless I'm mistaken, 21.06 is before 21.09.

[quote name='Dr William Westcher' timestamp='1339091940' post='2978813'] Thank you, I know curiosity isn't difficult. I was simply saying that Potato can't say he isn't dragging her name through the mud when he is calling her a moron. Especially considering the fact that it isn't relevant to this thread. If he doesn't has anything nice to say, than he can go french fry himself. [/quote] Since you want to play on technicalities, [b]I[/b] didn't call her a moron. I said MK thought she was a moron. Whether or not I agree is irrelevant since that's not the topic at hand: I asked for clarification on what Rotavele meant, I got it. Then you two came in playing your knight in shining armour... Anyway, this is off topic. If that is what you want, Roq, then congrats. I remain unconvinced but look forward to being proved wrong.

[quote name='kwell' timestamp='1339031607' post='2978522'] It's more on the lines of do being a decent citizen on planet bob. To be frank, I've about had it with these types. When did being "in" mean dragging everyone else through the mud? It's harder to be a nice person then it is **** head. You should try it some time. You just might find it will score you more points with the right people. Why does it concern me? It doesn't, but I am still going to say something to you or anyone else that wants to demean someone for having a change in heart. [/quote] You need to get off your high horse and stop white knighting any leader who says they're a girl. I know I'm not the nicest person around and I'm fine with it. I don't care if it's cool or not and I really don't know where you got that from. In fact, I'm pretty upfront about who I like and don't like. So you'll just have to live with it. Now that's settled can you show me where, in this topic and before you started your little crusade, I "dragged her in the mud", as you so eloquently put it? Because, from where I stand, I was merely asking who in MK liked Rotavele. Since, you know I'm in MK and all and have never heard anyone speaking up for her. But you can stop putting words and intentions in my mouth and be on your merry way.

[quote name='kwell' timestamp='1339021317' post='2978413'] Oh yes, he clearly needs to explain himself to the peanut gallery. Give the guy a break [/quote] The few times Rotavele was mentionned in MK, it was to agree that she was a moron and that we didn't like her. Sue me for being interested in what my alliance mates think.

[quote name='Rotavele' timestamp='1339011592' post='2978358'] I have friends in MK [/quote] I'd like to hear names.

Congratulations, Quiziotle.

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1338597614' post='2975941'] Do something about it. [/quote] "repeating the same lame joke over and over is tiring" = "we are going to roll you" cnlogic.txt

[quote name='Neo Uruk' timestamp='1338417292' post='2974767'] What the $%&@ is an Anathema and why are half of these things ahead of TDSM8? [/quote] [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=110397&view=findpost&p=2955696"]Another useless micro, founded by Kevanovia. Hadrian, Doeroler, Daggarz, James Maximus... were in it too[/url]. Oh and it lasted 6 days. Yes, six days. "But it had so much potential, dude!"

[quote name='Desert Glory' timestamp='1338256235' post='2973848'] Actually, thats the whole basis behind insulting someone. If they are stupid, make fun of them. In fact, this thread is making fun people who don't have the mental capacity to understand that high aid slot usage does not translate into increased alliance activity. (Thank you Zoom for your glorious effort trying to educate these people, however, ultimately I do not think they will ever grasp such a complex and convoluted area of study such as this). I understand that your sub par cognitive abilities will pose a serious problem, so first you should recognize you have one before you go about trying to solve it. potato. [/quote] Who dares disturb my slumber?

[quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1337970922' post='2972254'] This reminds me of something else, and goes nicely with my other post about how !@#$%* the mods and rules are for the wiki. When trying to clean up Tetris' wiki page back in the day, I removed the long version of the charter and instead placed a link to the charter which would be available to anyone, and would also allow the page to look nicer and things that people actually care about, like contact information, treaties, etc. to be more prominent. Instead, the changes were reversed and I was told what I did was "against the rules because you're deleting content", despite those changes not just being my idea, but things our alliance thought would be a good idea. As you can see, our wiki page still looks terrible and is almost entirely just a copy of our charter that nobody gives a !@#$ about. You sure showed us about not messing with our wiki overlords who clearly know what's best for our own alliance's page. I also loved the similar incident where, against the will of the community, the wiki mods decided that they had a better name for the war that had already been named; a name that wasn't in common usage at all that nobody wanted except a few people who ran the wiki. I'm sure most of us remember that, though. Basically, the wiki staff are completely terrible. [/quote] To be fair, I think there is a new team right now and I have found them to be much better and dealing with this. Instead of being on a power trip (sup MvP), they have been quite understanding when I tried to make changes to my page. And I think it was Rogal Dorn who actually PM'd me to check a few things. As opposed to going straight for the ban hammer, even after identifying myself (sup MvP). But yeah, what I think everyone is trying to say is that not everyone is a hardcore roleplayer. Not everyone of us want to invent a separate language for our CN nation. Not all of us want to have a long and detailed history and end up with 356 seperate pages for the different mock philosophers you invented. Now, I'm OK with people doing that but you just can't expect the same level of commitment from everyone. I understand the need for guidelines but there ought to be some sort of middleground in between the "MY WAY OR NO WAY" stance some mods have taken in the past (sup MvP) and the general anarchism other would prefer. I do think by adopting a hard stance of banning people who don't do things your way you're losing participants. Starting from me since I deleted my wiki because it wasn't up to some made up standards (granted, my page wasn't the center of attention of the CN wiki).

[quote name='IYIyTh' timestamp='1337908690' post='2971817'] Keep telling yourselves that. [/quote] Oh I will. I'm kinda partial to truth and facts, you see. I know, it's a foreign concept to you but you should try it now and then: it doesn't hurt, I promise. And it would be a nice change from your terrible attempts at spinninig.

[quote name='Zoomzoomzoom' timestamp='1337898130' post='2971752'] What have you done!?!?!?!?! [/quote] Well, the analysis is rather accurate (some minor details are wrong in my books but it's not really important) but it's nothing out of the ordinary. Anyone who has played the political game for a while can come to that conclusion: you don't need to be smart to see that. However, IYIyth's math is wrong: just because the situation has changed doesn't really put the now ex-PB alliances in such a weak state. Certainly not one that is weaker than SF's position. Stats wise AND FA wise.

[quote name='NationRuler' timestamp='1337569744' post='2970078'] Joining SF is nothing to be ashamed of? [/quote] Well, it's not something [b]I[/b] would want personally but I'm guessing NPL did want to join SF. And that they did it on purpose, without being held at gunpoint...

There's nothing to be ashamed of, NPL. You can come out in the open.

[quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1337233896' post='2968485'] While they do have some that would fit the category, you figured it out. DH, for instance, is not worth the value they put on it, for a variety of reasons including lack of real amicability that has been a feature of the relationship between two alliances for a long time, and general incompatibility between those two. [/quote] Your informants are either out of touch or your info is just not up to date. Or you're doing it on purpose. Good luck to the PB alliances. You guys were a great bloc I am proud to have puppetmastered from the outside.

It's a sad day for Planet Bob as one of its greatest alliances fades away. I've called you guys in FOK friends, enemies, allies... You've always impressed me, even if I did disagree with some of your moves and stances. But nonetheless, you did what you thought was right and, for that, you can only be praised. Take care of yourself, guys.

[quote name='Jgoods45' timestamp='1336503102' post='2965208'] Doing a formal announcement really isn't Rush's forte. [/quote] Straight of my book on how to make announcements.

HAI GUYS! AS ANYONE MADE A TLR/tLR JOKE YET? [b]Edit:[/b] If that's what you want, congrats, I guess.

[quote name='King Wally' timestamp='1335772397' post='2961079'] Wash your mouth out you fiend! Seriously though this game was never initially designed for people to play for years on end in mind. Everyones nations are far far too developed for the way the mechanics are designed. Total game reset is what springs to my mind. You should get more frequent short lasting wars with AA's full of tiny nations without crazy warchests. You would probably also see instant mergers of many AA's into more active larger super Alliances. More simplification to the treaty web would no doubt help as well. Only problem is the threat of mass rage quits so some admin PR would be required to sell the benifits to the people. Add in some major game upgrades to the reset and people may see the bonus. [/quote] A game reset is such a dumb idea. What would a reset change? Do you think the mentalities would change? Do you think GOONS and CoJ would be friends in this CN 2.0? Or Roq and MK? Or TOP and Polaris? The whole thing would be pretty much the same: allies will ally allies from CN 1.0 and fight enemies from CN 1.0. 99% of the game will be the same, save from a bunch of treaties and a bunch of people trying something else. The only difference is that our nations would be smaller.

[quote name='IYIyTh' timestamp='1335770645' post='2961074'] Yes. There were a couple threads where the soreness spewed over. This is not including the actual DoW threads where they were slammed for defending their allies and not capitulating to your requests (demands.) [b]I'm not going to go get them and list them per post[/b] and/or irc log for you as you're more than capable of finding them yourself, but if you're truly interested I'm sure Sparta's higher gov would be more than happy to confirm my iteration here in query for you. But you're not really interested in that. I am however interested in who you're trying to fool with your argument. [/quote] [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=107231"]Maybe you should have.[/url] It would have saved you what little credibility you still might have. There are nine MK commments in Sparta's DoW. Four from Banksy, two from Teh1337Guy, one from alyster, one from Denial and one from BJ. At best, those from alyster and BJ could be considered "slamming". And I'm being generous in the definition. None of those relate to defending their allies however. But you're not really interested in that. I am however interested in who you're trying to fool with your argument.

[quote name='Poppa Clam' timestamp='1335630242' post='2960431'] Gee, tell us how you really feel. [/quote] I just did.

While it was rather entertaining, you should still have rolled SUN and GPF.

[quote name='Mogar' timestamp='1335603377' post='2960366'] alliances like TOP/Gramlins/other upper tier alliances, in the current method of coalition warfare would only need to be active for the first round of wars(admittedly still incredibly destructive at those tech levels), nuclear anarchy prevents your enemies from re-declaring, and their allies(your alliance in the case of TOP) will take the damage from then onward, since by the time the first round nations are out of anarchy, they'll be fractions of their former size, and not in range of the nations that declared in the first round. [/quote] Welp. You heard it here first, boys and gals: TOP vs C&G lasted only one week. The rest of the time, both sides were staring at each other menacingly.

[quote name='Balder' timestamp='1335458710' post='2959766'] I fully agree. I clarified may though because I highly doubt I have the willpower to argue with people in circle's here wrt it. [/quote] I actually agree. Not sure why I left ASC on this list.