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[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1352180295' post='3049268'] Heh, I didn't mean to imply that you are doing nothing about it, but with the circumstances involved (pissed off membership and whatnot) will make your efforts, in the long term, futile. Paying a token few million in reps won't be detrimental enough to keep them from doing it again. [/quote] You seriously overestimate how "pissed off" we are.

[quote name='Emperor Marx' timestamp='1352148765' post='3049015'] We really don't need clever names for every war. [/quote] Especially when none of the "clever names" are clever.

[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1352134157' post='3048928'] Despite all this grade A derailment lets look at the facts. The nation who secretly aided the rogue is STILL in MK. He hasn't been demasked or reprimanded in anyway. MK membership is defending him and is pissed off at their government for letting him be spied upon. Nor has MK sent any aid (reps) to NPO according to the aid screen. In fact, hes actually currently fighting a rogue/ghost in MK! I will make the assumption that action is orders from govt. That war started after this thread. Not only is MK govt not doing anything to him, they are working with him. The nation who is going rogue, is ex-MK. He still has his mask to MK forums and posts there regularly. Despite him having gone rogue over a month ago. He most likely got this secret aid by asking for it on MK forums (or iRC). While MK govt probably didn't go out and say "Hey go aid this rogue" -- they definitely aren't doing anything to stop it, defacto encouraging it, as long as they don't get caught. [/quote] If it's so easy, how did you manage to get it wrong?

[quote name='Merrie Melodies' timestamp='1352087959' post='3048799'] I can steer you to another thread a couple down, where you argued the opposite so to speak. [/quote] I'm sure you can. But then you'd be lying to yourself and everyone else. And/or spinning what I said so far from what I actually meant that you'd remain wrong no matter what.

[quote name='Enamel32' timestamp='1352079218' post='3048745'] If I had nothign to say, why post a response? [/quote] I don't know: you tell me. You're the one who thought you had something interesting to say, even if it was based on nothing. [quote]If I had nothing to say, fine! Why even take the time to respond to nonsense? Evading a question is worse than not responding at all. [/quote] Because sometimes it's fun to point out inadequacies? Because sometimes it's important to correct misconceptions? Because sometimes it's necessary to point out to someone when and where they are wrong? ... I don't know, I'm not TOP nor IRON. But when you state X and you preface it by "I don't know anything about it but", you're 1. being dense, 2. not bringing much to the conversation, 3. useless or 4. craving for attention. Possibly all four of them at once. Either way, you stated how you viewed the TOP-IRON relationship and you were told you were wrong. What else do you want? A detailed analysis? You won't be getting it. And you can keep harping on the point, it won't change anything: that's not how the TOP-IRON relationship works.

[quote name='Enamel32' timestamp='1352077236' post='3048720'] I'm glad you feel that way, but you've got people questioning the validity of some of your actions. I post what I can see from the outside, and you tell me I'm wrong without actually addressing anything I've posted? I didn't really expect a response, but if you want to make a show out of it, go ahead. Again, why post at all if you're not going to say anything? [/quote] If you don't know what you're talking about, why even comment? I'm sure you think it's valuable insight but, by your own admission, you "don't know much". And if someone involved tells you you're wrong, why do you even want to push it further? Face it: you're not as "in the know" or interesting as you think you are. And, please, don't play dumber than you really are.

I was hoping it would be a threat. But I'm glad it took AI's MoFA (if I'm up to date with the in kids) to come and try doing some damage control.

I hope that's a threat.

[quote name='Starfox101' timestamp='1351470136' post='3046184'] So, let it go and let the people who did it get away with nothing? I understand the logic of not bringing it up, but while the subject is up, I'm certainly going to remind MK that they were, and still are, despicable people. [/quote] No one had posted here in 6-7 days (depending on your timezone). This sure feels like the subject was up and trending right now. We may be evil soulless jerks but we're no fools. So do us a favour and don't try to paint this in any other way than scoring cookie points with who ever is listening to you. And if you want to make us pay, do it. Shouting from your soapbox suddenly hoping we're going to change our minds isn't going to be fruitful.

[quote name='Ernesto Che Guevara' timestamp='1351448290' post='3046082'] THAT WAS MY IDEA. [/quote] Let's all go as me!

I'll go as today's potato.

I'm potato. None of you are potato. None of you are relevant.

Thank you for this.

[quote name='Starfox101' timestamp='1351306377' post='3045694'] Alliances are generally founded with 5 or so members. Does this mean this grouping isn't an alliance until they recruit some inactive players to bloat their numbers? What makes an alliance? A government. Member count does not matter. [/quote] So LSF isn't an alliance? To be more precise, I think a member count is necessary on top of the gov thing (and a few other details) because going by just either side is too restrictive. I've always been pro-higher number but that's a personnal taste (and has nothing to do with raiding since I don't do it and neither did my first alliance). Now, if you want to get philosophical, you can mention the community and blablabla. I just assumed OP wanted to see if we could reach a middle ground on what actually makes an alliance (as opposed to how it is cemented). And to that, the answer is no, we'll never agree on everything.

What did bros do this time?

[quote name='King Brandon' timestamp='1351211186' post='3045254'] You only wish! [/quote] [02:05] <&Infinite_Citadel> I need a topic title [02:05] <&Infinite_Citadel> help me potato [02:05] <&Infinite_Citadel> I want to follow in your footsteps with my announcements our Crown Prince stated it. Who are you to defy him?

My suggestions were better.

[quote name='Rayvon' timestamp='1351134524' post='3045008'] running your mouth in a forum thread about a topic you have no clue about [/quote] That wouldn't be a first for him.

I had never seen the number 5 being used to define an alliance up until now. To me, it always was 10. Or 15 in some cases. Ten sounds better to me (note: I have never raided so don't start) as it gives room to some sort of organisation, ie gov and regular members. And thus some sort of legitimacy.

Man, I'd hate to be friends with some of you IRL. One mistake, no matter the size, and I'd be thrown to the wolves with you leaving the group shouting "he's so evil, we can't be friends anymore" from your almighty horse.

Ardus, look at all that tech and all those treaties we got from it. And let's not forget that nifty little bonnet Brehon knitted for you. How can you forget all those IC gains, you evil mastermind?

[quote name='Opethian' timestamp='1350381574' post='3041828'] From personal experience I'd argue that you indeed CAN change the flow of the game as an individual/rogue. Obviously this involves having an existing network of allies/enemies and a certain sort of character, but it IS possible. Sadly, my time has passed, and there are far to few currently active players who even know who the hell I even am for me to ever be able to stir things up again. [/quote] Just say the word and we'll attack again, old friend.

[quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1350325362' post='3041633'] With due respect, my friend, you are talking out your ass. The only part you got close was that outsiders to the Brony culture "don't understand us," but at the end of the day, we never really cared. I don't think we should be denied the right to exist because you just don't "get" us. We don't care about the haters, because we know our community is growing, exponentially, every day. To claim that a Brony theme is in any way limited in the scope of who it can attract to it's ranks, is to lie. Are you also suggesting some fault of mine for not popping out another micro when I moved out? I don't believe good ideas can be forced, nor do I want another personality cult following me around, like 64Digits was, and like I am proud to say UE isn't. [...] The blame lies with each and every one of us, and no specific alliance. We got where we are as a group effort, and it would be wrongful to only give certain subsets all the credit. I don't think you get it. This little "Oh just tell the OP he has to do something instead" reversal game? It's !@#$@#$ insulting. It's insulting because I gave it the best go I could. I did my best, was shut down for going against the flow (and simply for being who I am), and honestly, I've been actively debating leaving this world entirely. Many of you are individually quite intelligent, and it is insane how you come together to form a moronic collective. None of you want to do anything. This is not an effort to change how things work. This is an observation of an immutable fact. You are all boring people content with what you openly admit is an impossibly boring status quo. And so it will stay, and no single man will ever have the power to change things, because that single man will be shut down by the rest of the system. I'm not offering treatment for the disease, I am giving the prognosis: It is terminal. [/quote] If you don't see/get how a Brony alliance could alienate people, you're dumber that I gave you credit for. You created an alliance whose theme is one of the most hated thing on the internet: you thus shoved away a lot of people who didn't like you to start with as well as people who liked you. Just with your theme and the kind of people it attracts. I don't want to get into a debate about whether it's right or wrong to have something against Bronies but, surely, you ought to know there is some sort of stigma surrounding the whole community. And NOW you complain people don't want to back you and/or support your cause? On top of that (and I probably missed it so feel free to enlighten me), I haven't seen UE do much out of the box thinking. UE may not be a 64Digits copycat or just another micro but I haven't seen you guys do much other than sitting on your thumbs.

In any case, I said what I had to so I'm pretty much done. You guys can continue seeing us a evil jerks with no heart or soul and I'll continue wiping myself with your discontent.

[quote name='Merrie Melodies' timestamp='1349745486' post='3038817'] I am spreading the only truth I have seen here on these boards, it was ok for your members to spread their excrement here but not ok for your members to clean it up here. I am sure, down the road, this will be dicussed at a private table and it will probably be more painful. [/quote] Maybe so. People will see what they want to see, no matter what is spread in front of them. I'll just remind you that, according to the powers that be, it wasn't OK for MK to talk about such things. So we didn't then and don't now, unless someone else starts it. And that right now is probably the longest conversation involving people who were involved in this whole thing for the past 6-7 months.