MCRABT

[quote name='Unkajo' timestamp='1334314807' post='2952080'] You guys are seriously dense, when you are outnumbered in war, and you are fully wonder equiped with massive WCs. It is very very very very very easily to inflict tons of damage. IE: OP vs GOD. They actually made some half decent posts and did not run their mouths, even though vlad could do that and look good. Get over it, the war is over. [/quote] War isn't supposed to be easy, if it was easy then it wouldn't be fun. Besides a good scrap increases your casualty count. A tech raiding alliance that doesn't like a good fight strikes me as a paradox.

[quote name='WorldConqueror' timestamp='1334311052' post='2952061'] $%&@ you people are stupid. 'LOLOLOL a whole bloc and hundreds of nations to defeat two micros'. instead of looking at the total NS brought to bear, look at the segment which can actually be deployed against the enemy. these kind of arguments were retarded when NPO et al fought jarheads and theyre retarded now. [/quote] When you choose to attack someone especially on a small scale, you should really know exactly what it will require to get the job done on day 1, this isn't difficult when attacking two micros. Jarheads was totally different because they gained members on a scale never before seen. The jokes really on GOONS for being negligent in their preparation.

GOONS bite of more than you can chew much? This is hilarious. Kudos to PB for taking the PR hit to rectify out GOONS negligence.

I suggest Sparta.

GOONS TOOL FAN NV PUKE FARK MHA Sparta MK ODN Athens FoB CCC GPA Gremlins STA UPN Avalanche NpO CSN Vox Populi Golden Sabres \m/ I think that's them all! I

[quote name='rsoxbronco1' timestamp='1331877712' post='2938793'] THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW THE CURRENT HEGEMONY CONTROLS THE GAME THROUGH A SUPERFLUOUS AND REDUNDANT TREATY WEB AND HOW IF YOU ALL JOIN WITH ME WE CAN TAKE DOWN THE OVERARCHING PUPPETRY OF THE MUSHROOM KINGDOM AND THE FILTHY OOC ATTACKS THEY RAIN DOWN UPON OUR LESS POLITICALLY CONNECTED PLAYERS AS THEY STRUGGLE SIMPLY TO GET BY IN A WORLD POPULATED BY THE LIKES OF THE1337GUY AND HAS SIMPLE MINDED FOLLOWERS WHO SEEK ONLY TO MOLD THE WORLD ACCORDING TO THEIR BELIEFS AND CONSTANTLY PLOT THE DESTRUCTION OF WEAKER ALLIANCES THROUGH THE USE OF FORGED CBS AND TRUMPED UP CHARGES WITH CHARLTON LEADERSHIP AND THE SUPPORT OF FILTH LIKE BRICKYARD WHO TELL PEOPLE TO KILL THEMSELVES WHILE BEING 100% CONDONED BY THE LEADERSHIP OF THE MUSHROOM KINGDOM AND THEIR HENCHEMEN IN UMBRELLA WHO SHOULD STAND UP TO THE LIKES OF LEET GUY AND TLR IS THE WORST FOR TRYING TO START A WAR A YEAR AGO WHEN THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE AND WHY DID SPARTA GET TARGETED SO HARD WHEN FARK WASN'T FULLY DEPLOYED ON BECAUSE ARCHON COMPLAINS ALL THE TIME ABOUT HOW MK HAD TO TAKE THE BRUNT OF NPO AND HE'S NOT EVEN THAT GREAT A LEADER REALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT AND THINK ABOUT HOW OTHER PEOPLE DID SO MUCH MORE THAN HE HAS AND HE WASN'T EVEN ELECTED AND PEOPLE WOULDN'T EVEN FOLLOW HIM IF THEY JUST UNDERSTOOD WHAT I'M TRYING TO SHOW THEM ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE AIRME BEING HYPOCRITES WHO NOT ONLY CONDONE BUT CARRY OUT THEIR OWN OOC ATTACKS AND WHAT PEOPLE CHOOSE TO DO IS THEIR OWN BUSINESS AND YOU SHOULDN'T BE SUPPORTED BY GOVERNMENTS AND NOW THAT HE'S BEEN ELECTED TO TLR GOV THAT JUST PROVES EVERYTHING I'VE BEEN SAYING ABOUT C&G AND GATO WHO IS IN SERVITUDE TO THE MUSHROOM KINGDOM AND LEET GUY WHO LIES ABOUT ME AND... I think that covers all the necessary bases. [/quote] Noble effort but any post with mention of dickyard in it automatically qualifies for an F. Unfortunate indeed.

GOD and MCXA signing treaties. Like a boss.

[quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1331475965' post='2936793'] It's an implication that Myth's posting has some bearing on IRON, meaning a penalty of some kind. In other words, a form of FA sanction, "POOR IRON FA DEPT." The conclusion of such sentiments is that impacts IRON to allow Myth to post as his posting attracts negative attention of some kind from people like MK. I hope that's clear enough. For example, people said similar things when I was actually gov in Sparta, but instead of doing any harm to Sparta, diplo registrations were up and it increased interest in that alliance. [/quote] [quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1331475965' post='2936793'] It's an implication that Myth's posting has some bearing on IRON, meaning a penalty of some kind. In other words, a form of FA sanction, "POOR IRON FA DEPT." The conclusion of such sentiments is that impacts IRON to allow Myth to post as his posting attracts negative attention of some kind from people like MK. I hope that's clear enough. For example, people said similar things when I was actually gov in Sparta, but instead of doing any harm to Sparta, diplo registrations were up and it increased interest in that alliance. [/quote] I agree the implication that Myth's views would somehow impact create work for our FA dept was there, but I think it's a far stretch to take that implication presume the poster believed that Myth's viewpoints would be misconstrued as IRON's views which he didn't imply, then to take a presumption based on a subjective interpenetration of an implication to reach a conclusion. From a totally impartial standpoint its clear to me your making presumptions to fit the conclusions you feel fits your agenda best. [quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1331477466' post='2936802'] edit: MCRABT: I first warned Valhalla in December of them and DT being targets based on what had been said in the Doomworld Conference forum, and it's been confirmed that there were attempts to manipulate the Legion-Tetris war to that end. Along with the fact that there have been public admissions from several DH officials of such intentions, maybe you should take a second look at MK. With Ragnarok, I made the same thing clear to Bob Ilyani, especially about the forum spying thing, and told him I'd try to help him seal off RoK's other fronts. In addition, the plan to split IRON off from Valhalla extends back to the DT/FOK episode where Raken thought IRON was swing for some reason, which I read in the Umb gov forums when I returned. [/quote] And you have informed me also of this previously. In all honesty I wouldn't be at all surprised if their is some truth in what you said, I don't trust MK any more than the next bloke on the street, they have their own best interests to look after and I have IRON's, at times those interests may not be mutually exclusive and I'm happy to work with anyone to mutual advantage, at other times however our interests may clash. In such instances they will pursue what is in their best interest and we ours, that is the nature of the game, MK play it well and I commend them for it even if I don't agree with all their methods. [quote name='IYIyTh' timestamp='1331479892' post='2936816'] Having a bunch of morons who would do and/or say anything to harm my well being (and yours, just as soon,) being upset with me is a small price to pay for saying and/or doing what is right. One of these days it'll click. [/quote] There is more than one way to swing a cat.

[quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1331465193' post='2936763'] What is MK going to do to IRON? Not a damn thing, so MK's opinion of Myth is irrelevant. [/quote] I didn't see any suggestion from anyone that MK was going to do anything to IRON so is that just a random question you are throwing out there without any context? As for Myth his views are exactly that, a fair number of them I find fairly cringe worthy myself, but I don't much care for gagging our members. The negativity that he brings upon himself is the price he has to pay for being a gob!@#$e, that is his burden alone to carry. Myth isn't a member of IRON government and he doesn't speak for IRON.

[quote name='Shan Revan' timestamp='1331009922' post='2934425'] [center] [img]http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8302/ironflagmediumlk9.png[/img] [color="#A0522D"][size="6"][b][u]Official Announcement and presentation from the Independent Republic of Iron Nations[/u][/b][/size][/color] [/quote] This just in, IRON has now changed its name to IRIN. Shan That aside Congratulations to all those awarded, thoroughly deserved

Hooorah! It can be hard to cast of the shackles of nostalgia, but once you do, you feel free. It's a bit like getting a divorce when a treaty like this goes, congrats on getting rid of the ball and chain, now go and get some fine !@#$% for a while before you settle down.

[quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1329998724' post='2926513'] Okay, keep that in mind, though. I don't necessarily applaud the UE thing, but given the practices endorsed by those who wrote this document, I support it as a matter of being against them. Call it a policy of joining any battle against certain alliances I can. [/quote] So you discard individual responsibility and rationality because you don't like someone? Those view points are hardly compatible with principles of justice now are they Roq? Statements like this really eat away at your credibility and seriously impede your ability to present well reasoned arguments.

You can add IRON's signature to this document. [b]MCRABT[/b], President [b]Cristoir[/b], Secretary of State, IRON Councilor [b]Mia[/b], Deputy Secretary of State, IRON Councilor [b]Blaskowicz[/b], Deputy Secretary of State, IRON Councilor [b]Curufinwe[/b], Minister of Internal Affairs, IRON Councilor [b]Theophilos[/b], Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs, IRON Councilor [b]bcndwilson[/b], Minister of Defense, IRON Councilor [b]Dodoei123[/b], Deputy Minister of Defense, IRON Councilor [b]Matt Miller[/b], Deputy Minister of the Vault, IRON Councilor [b]Queltocz[/b], Minister of the Vault, IRON Councilor [b]Shan Revan[/b], Badass Barbequing Kangaro and Crocadile (and Occasional Pony) Eating Minister from Australia

What happens if [i]your member[/i] approaches a member of an alliance not on that list and agrees to a tech deal, do you still feel they have the right to renege on any agreement made? In this instance the agreement would not be unsolicited but the party in question may not have been approved by your government.

[quote name='Enamel32' timestamp='1329688862' post='2924204'] You can argue semantics as much as you want. Iconic figures have the ability to impact the thoughts and opinions of the masses. That's not necessarily a bad thing. I just find it interesting that IRON and valhalla seemed to be relatively quite in this thread, and they didn't ask for reps either. To me, that says a lot about the state of the relationship(s). EDIT: SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS [/quote] That's the problem with people these days, they are all style and no substance, as an element IRON is all about the substance. As for the no reps, we stated our intent from day 1 its written in the DOW that we cared not for Polars wealth. There was a retribution to be had and justice was done. Tittle tattle about the past is now irrelevant to us and quite frankly we have more important things to be getting on with.

[quote name='Wilhelm the Demented' timestamp='1329668780' post='2924068'] That's cool. Utterly irrelevant to my point, but cool nonetheless. [/quote] I think what he is getting at is if you change some of the names around in the analogy you made it could be spun as a victory for Sparta that wouldn't make much sense but it would fit in regards to the criteria you have set for "victory". Thus your analogy is fairly poor.

Yuck. A 19 page mixture of the extreme distasteful and the worryingly insane and still no answers. It seems rationality is dead on both sides of the fence.

Congrats guys

[quote name='AlmightyGrub' timestamp='1328832724' post='2917505'] Polaris has never ever claimed to be Pacifica or covet their fame. For a very long time Polaris has stood very much alone in regards to Pacifica and always will. Continuum was formed with one purpose, I am surprised you bothered to stop Citadel. We had plenty of regard for our allies, we just refused, as always, to lockstep with people who considered themselves quite wrongly to be our superiors. I would suggest my ability to get Polaris into the position we were in immediately prior to Bi-Polar demonstrates just how good I really was, or how completely stupid you were...or both. What really burns you deep down is that insignificant alliance led by nobody important misled you so badly. Polaris has done more to keep Bob exciting than your sheeple alliance ever did. You fall so quickly into line with other people's agenda it is difficult to believe you ever have time to form your own. To stab someone in the back means you have to get pretty close, I think I did a pretty awesome job of being as close as I did. Can I be trusted, absolutely not, my track record shows I am an #$%hole and given the chance I would personally do in whoever is still on my list which is decidely shorter these days. Luckily I have nothing to do with the running of Polaris these days and therefore no capacity for treachery. I just hang around to randomly troll tryhards like you. It is not like your vote had anything to do with Pacifican agenda anyway, you did as you were told because we refused to. Better people than you have tried to force their will on us and failed, you had no hope. Enjoy being at war for a while longer while you run to the agenda of an ally. Diminishing returns are fast approaching for both our alliances. Also hello, I do not miss being allied to you, pompous blowhards are everywhere. [/quote] I think you claim to much credit for yourself. In bi-polar yes you did exploit the circumstances after your dow on \m/. I don't believe for a moment however you planned and orchestrated the whole thing from the beginning, there are to many uncertainties in war for you to correctly predict how things would exactly fall. So short of being 70 year old gypsy fortune teller you couldn't possibly have predicted what would happen thereafter. You saw an opportunity "to get revenge" and took it. woohooo great for you short term. Look at the path your decision has forced your alliance to walk. You have brought about the most mediocre period in Polars history. As for your claim "that you have done more" I can't remember you doing anything well besides lying and you can clutch onto that crown while we and the rest of bob move forward. You did well before Bi-Polar your right but that was built on Pacifca apathy, nevertheless you did have considerable influence, which only serves to exemplify why you are responsible for the biggest political blunder in modern times. We may have trusted you, that decision cost us one war from which we quickly recovered. Look where Polar is is now, alone on the battlefield for a second time in a year. Congratulations on your achievements. As for the rest, save your clichéd opinions for your peace of mind they are lost on me.

[quote name='AlmightyGrub' timestamp='1328777850' post='2917224'] Nobodies from nobody alliances that have achieved precisely nothing but to provide an extension of whoever is in power at the time don't impress me with their bravado. [/quote] Indeed it must be tough being in Polar, never able to stake claim to big brothers reputation, always trying but never breaching the mediocre. Your greatest achievement was the UJW and you couldn't have done that without us. I remember vividly Polars insistence that Polar and IRON go it alone with GOONS so it wouldn't be remembered as big brothers victory. How shallow. I remember voting to kick you out of One Vision because you gave no regard to your allies. I remember protecting you for months in Continuum from Citadel and you !@#$@#$ up every opportunity we gave you to make change. Then I remember the cancellation of the ordinance because you were about as honest as a $12 whore. I remember giving you another chance and being stabbed in the back. If you have achieved anything in the past 3 years it is to re-affirm the belief that you are thoroughly inept in the realm of foreign affairs, you cannot be trusted and you would probably be better off as an NPO colony.

[quote name='Lord Caparo' timestamp='1328659441' post='2916403'] Its called Nations in range, we dont want anything from Mongols, we are just helping some friends against them. [/quote] Did they ask for your help?

[quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1327611307' post='2907545'] Me too. [/quote] Me three.

[quote name='Marzipan' timestamp='1327479117' post='2906522'] And IRON is losing members. Quite a lot too. [/quote] We prefer to call it weight loss, the truth is before this war we had gotten a little podgy around the waste. Fighting a war for a mass recruitment alliance is a bit like going to the gym, it gets you fitter and leaner. When you stop fighting you let yourself go a bit and boom before you know it you no longer fit into your old clothes. Thank you polar for being our fat camp. Thanks to you we will once again be a big hit with the ladies

[quote name='Mergerberger II' timestamp='1327019596' post='2903169'] I was honestly disappointed that no one made that clever switcheroo earlier. [img]http://forums.cybernations.net/public/style_emoticons/default/angry.png[/img] Bob Ilyani[img]http://forums.cybernations.net/public/style_emoticons/default/angry.png[/img] [/quote] Give a guy a break, a 3 minute response time isn't all that bad, I even had to figure out how to do a [s]strike through[/s].

[quote name='Mergerberger II' timestamp='1327018151' post='2903149'] o/ CCC You are too good [s]to[/s] for us. [/quote] Fixed for you