MCRABT

[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1340828566' post='2998604'] For the int tie I mentioned above. C&G could be activated against iron via the Lsf declaration if it was decided that NPO had to go.. I don't think that would happen at this point though. All I'm saying is that this was the reason for IRON giving peace to LSF, not IRON being altruistic. I don't think it has to do with actual war slots but more so with how the treaty web lies. Peace with Lsf ensures TLR can't use C&G to superceed it's MDoAP with NPO (to give one example of treaty web manipulation.. I'm sure there is another more important relationship I'm overlooking). Edit: NPO, not TLR [/quote] LSF opened negotiations for peace prior to GOD actually hitting NG. We confirmed at the very outset of those talks that this would not be a prolonged affair and that it was unlikely we would seek more than two rounds of war. CnG is fully engaged, hitting IRON now would result in them loosing the war, CnG hitting IRON has not been a realistic possibility since IRON and ODN hit Sparta (again prior to GOD's DOW) together and thus the situation you describe above is absurd. If you are in any doubt about this then I am sure Yev over at LSF will confirm that the above is accurate. I don't know why you have such a hard time believing that we view two rounds of war as a proportional response, when Ramlins kept us at war unnecessarily a large number of folks here commented that they would have in our position taken reparations from Ramlins, we didn't take them, in fact we agreed to white peace. When we fought Polar we didn't have any interest in reps, they are in our view counter productive. When we go to war we go to win, once the war is won and the objective is achieved, then there is no point in prolonging hostilities by subjugating an alliance with unnecessary demands. We have achieved everything we aimed to in the conflict with LSF, dragging it on any longer than was required to prove our point would again be counter productive and unnecessary. The fact is during my tenure as IRON's President, IRON has always brought conflicts to a close in a measured way.

[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1340803835' post='2998319'] Hahaha classy? Whoever thinks that is retarded. IRON sees an opportunity to roll an ex-foe due to the VE/NPO war and is taking it/getting ready for the backlash. There is absolutely nothing classy about this. Iron got pissed at lsf for apologizing and offering to pay reps for a joke that was not even half as bad as what MK members do on a daily basis. IRON then rolled the entire alliance for that joke made by one member because they didn't pay the reps within 24 hours ...probably because they were already at war with an alliance 10 times their size. Pfft. Classy... smh. The only thing IRON did right was acknowledge they $%&@ed up all of Nordreichs staggers. [/quote] If only I had your brain then life surely would be made. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPuccvF_p3o

[center][img]http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8302/ironflagmediumlk9.png[/img] [color=orange][b][size=5][u]Notice of Intent[/u][/color][/b][/size][/center] On the 20th of June the Independent Republic of Orange Nations declared war on the Libertarian Socialist Federation for the reasons listed [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=111667&st=0] here[/url]. LSF has since recognised it's own failures with regards to its handling of the incident and as such we feel it is prudent to wind proceedings down. From the 29th of June onward IRON will declare no further wars on LSF, wars declared on or prior to the 29th will be fought in full until they expire, this is to ensure that Nordreich are put at no disadvantage as a result of our intervention. Upon the expiration of active hostilities between IRON & LSF, IRON will consider LSF's penance paid and the matter closed. We hope that future interactions with LSF will be on more amicable terms and hold no quarrel with them moving forward. [I][color=orange]Signed for IRON:[/color][/I] [b]MCRABT[/b], President [b]Mia[/b], Secretary of State, IRON Councilor [b]Blaskowicz[/b], Deputy Secretary of State, IRON Councilor [b]ccabal86[/b], Deputy Secretary of State, IRON Councilor [b]Shan Revan[/b], Minister of Awesome, IRON Councilor [b]Curufinwe[/b], Minister of Internal Affairs, IRON Councilor [b]Blade619[/b], Minister of Defense, IRON Councilor [b]Baron Aaron[/b], Deputy Minister of Defense, IRON Councilor [b]Queltocz[/b], Minister of the Vault, IRON Councilor [b]Dodoei123[/b], Minister at Large, IRON Councilor [b]Matt Miller[/b], Deputy Minister of the Vault, IRON Councilor

Well this was unexpected, once our war comes to a close the hatchet will be well a truly buried. No hard feelings

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1340715888' post='2997169'] Spin, spin, spin! Why NG was attacked? And why NATO declared war on MK? I'll save your time and go to the root of the problem: MK unreasonable aggression against CSN. So please doesn't act like NG were the good guys here, nobody(beside the mindless drones of yours) are going to buy it. [/quote] The reason your argument doesn't hold an ounce of moral fibre is because you haven't reached the root of the issue with anything you have said here.

Take the gun shoot GOD in the face and eat the canolli. Good luck friends

GOD lays claim to morality now I have seen it all. Destroy the hypocrisy NG.

[quote name='berbers' timestamp='1340549545' post='2994439'] I'm surprised to see IRON supporting the action that caused this war, but I can get behind wanting to support your allies. I mean, LSF did something that was arguably less stupid than what MK did. This war is frustrating, to many good people indirectly supporting MK's actions [/quote] Lets just call it how it is, the CB was weak, but the CB had very little to do with why MK attacked CSN in the first place. The underlying cause for the war was the political tensions between MK/SF, they were always likely to come to ahead at some point. IRON recognises both MK and SF for what they are, two self interested political actors who are willing to do almost anything to protect their interests and achieve their objectives. IRON has no real reason to care about either except for the fact we have two MD allies on MK's side and none on SF's side. It has been proven time and time again that the majority of those who preach morality here are willing to step all over those beliefs for political gains, that includes Sparta and SF, thus whether or not the CB can be justified by false moral constructs is not really a pressing concern. MK attacked SF because it had the power to. SF would have attacked MK if it had the power to.

[quote name='total perspective vortex' timestamp='1340537711' post='2994361'] I think it could be considered to be brave when you go in while you know you'll probably be overpowered. And I wonder how brave it is when you only go in when you're sure you've got 4x the power of your opposition. The first one may be a stupid ideologist, the second one is nothing more than a bully. Then again, in the current CN climate, bullies are considered heroes :-/ [/quote] The IRONy here is strong, since Sparta has conducted this type of war on numerous occasions when the opportunity presented itself and on those occasions hasn't been exactly shy about taking reparations. Yet we hold no ill will toward Sparta because the aim of any war is to win it as efficiently as possible. No hard feelings Sparta lets have a good clean fight [quote name='Garion' timestamp='1340541187' post='2994382'] I don't understand the goal IRON hopes to reach with this DoW, tbh, considering the fact that they're basically doing the legwork for people who want several of their blocmates gone... In any case, enjoy the fight [/quote] Thanks. If folks want to come for our Duckroll brothers then we will deal with them as and when we are required to do so. In the mean time we have two allies on one side of a global war and none on the other, IRON looks out for its allies always and as a result I am confident that if the time comes where we are in need of assistance that we won't be short of offers.

[15:46] <Pacifist_Ninja> Our fastest possible response is 24h, though the individual may choose to take action before then. LSF said 24 hours. If 48 hours is your quickest response time then that should have been stated, one can hardly expect a foreign alliance to know the inner workings of an alliance if he doesn't know them himself. Regardless the 24 hour deadline was allowed to expire, by the time INT contacted us we were actually beyond 36 hours and we let it slide and proceeded with diplomacy for a second time.

[quote name='Rudolph' timestamp='1340308685' post='2992041'] I would suggest that you read my post and I even bolded it for you for easier reading comprehension. [/quote] So what does that have to do with the price of cheese? If you feel like they were justified in their actions and are an innocent here, then stitch up your vagina grow a pair and defend [b]your[/b] principles. A word to the not so wise, they asked you to stay out because they are aware themselves that their actions were reckless, idiotic and totally unnecessary.

[quote name='Rudolph' timestamp='1340301106' post='2991967'] To the bolded: You have no idea of what you are talking about, and seeing as you're not LSF or their allies, I would highly suggest in shutting your trap regarding the official relationships between LSF and their allies. They asked us to stay out of this mess and they already know that we would be there for them in a heart beat. [/quote] I would suggest that if you condone your allies behaviour you grow a pair of balls and do what you think is right, otherwise pipe down sugar plum.

Seen as your alliance clearly lacks a structure capable of delivering diplomacy to foreign alliances as is demonstrated by the fact your conduct has prompted two separate declarations of war, by two unrelated parties on your alliance and in both instances all of your allies have concluded that your conduct has been sufficiently poor not to warrant intervention on your behalf, perhaps you should take an isolationist approach. This would stop people rolling you, stop your inane wining and most importantly, free you to pursue your anarchist dreams within the confides of your community.

[quote name='Yevgeni Luchenkov' timestamp='1340233645' post='2990719'] Okay so, if I get this right: 1)You acknowledged Opti wasn't a member of LSF anymore; BUT 2)Since our apology had a subtext that insulted you, he was back as a member of LSF. That makes a lot of sense. [/quote] Read what I posted again and see if you comprehend better this time. I am genuinely curious about this brain damage correlation. We used to talk regularly and you were at least ten times smarter than this.

[quote name='Yevgeni Luchenkov' timestamp='1340231090' post='2990655'] Explain why you acknowledged that Opti wasn't a member of LSF then? [/quote] Because Sabcat said he had been in his $%&@ you IRON message and I took what he said to be genuine. As I have subsequently explained a series of events proved that LSF did not have the capability to be genuine, coupled with evidence that suggested he was still receiving treatment as an LSF member, the conclusion wrote itself.

[quote name='Yevgeni Luchenkov' timestamp='1340229512' post='2990593'] Except: 1)You recognized Opti as having left LSF and not being a member of our alliance. 2)You acknowledged the apology and said: "that'll do, LSF". 3)We tried to repeatedly contact you to make sure the targets were the proper ones. 4)You still decided to attack, lying your way through the DoW (about points 1 to 3), after exactly eighteen hours had elapsed. Spare us your leniency. [/quote] 1) When you remove a member you demask him, it's not rocket since batman and given the delicate nature of the situation and the degree to which you had mucked us around to this point, if you actually gave a dam one would have thought you would have taken extra care in this situation. I thinks its plainly obvious given your conduct from start to finish that you didn't care about the impersonations and would push the boundaries as far as you possibly could. 2) What you think I would have said yeah that's great if on first reading I realised that it actually said $%&@ you? Come on now lets not be silly. 3) Repeatedly? Once, after you realised your $%&@ you message had been exposed. 4)It is confirmed, as I suspected with Pansy, being a member of LSF gives you brain damage.

[quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1340226788' post='2990510'] So you ignored it on purpose because we made fun of you in the apology you forced us to give you at gunpoint, and you wanted blood. Finally, some honesty. It didn't matter what we had done or not had done, what mattered was that you didn't like our apology and were gonna stick it to us because we hurt your ego. Now we can finally stop pretending that you actually think or thought we were being dishonest or reneging on our agreement, and instead focus on how pathetic the largest alliance on Bob is because a sub-1m NS alliance wouldn't bend over backwards to them without giving them some backtalk with it. Tell me: how does the immense power feel? [/quote] If I say to you sorry, but $%&@ you in the ass it ceases to become an apology. What mattered to us what the following string of events that I'm sure you will try to dismiss as coincidence: - A member of LSF contacting GLoF with screenshots of NoR's forums in an attempt to have them attack NoR - A seperate member of LSF on a different occasion impersonating IRON government asking them to attack NoR at update. - Your representative agreeing our demands were reasonable but stating LSF would not comply. Regardless we gave you 24 hours to think about actually sanctioning this behaviour. - During that time despite your representative labelling our terms reasonable and acknowledging wrong doing, members of your alliance proceeded to continue with similar behaviour albeit this was just mocking and did not have any other motives. - LSF then lets the first 24 hour deadline fly by without response, we took time to consider an appropriate response and INT contacted us to say that you had changed your mind well and would accept the terms well after said deadline was given. We set about for the second time proceeding with diplomatic action despite being spat on at the first attempt. - LSF then post what was a pretty terrible apology even without the $%&@ you message, a couple of minutes after the deadline we set pushing your luck again, but we accept it and are willing to move on and put the issue to bed. - I query Comrade Trotsky to arrange payment for tech and get no reply. - You post in your $%&@ you message that I will have to take said tech from your cold dead hands. - Despite stating that you have removed the member as you agreed it emerges that you have not and he is still registered as a member on your forums. - I ask in said thread when I can expect my tech. - Subsequently it emerges your apology was actually a $%&@ you message. - After this is exposed on the OWF and on IRC you scramble to arrange tech payments. It is clear from this process that 1) You were more than willing to sanction Optimistics actions and in fact you continue to defend them. 2) You didn't care about being reasonable. 3) Diplomacy with you was a waste of time. 4) You think you can run around doing whatever you like without consequences. 5) You have a major victim complex. Of course it is convenient to spin this as IRON is a big bad bully, the reality is we lent you every courtesy and through the entire process you proceeded to act in a provocative way without any regard for your allies for really no reason whatsoever. As the old saying says can't do the time don't do the crime.

[quote name='Illustrious' timestamp='1340217100' post='2990339'] Really? You couldn't have taken a minute out of your time and instead of posting this check his AA and find out that he is telling the truth? As for the topic on hand, to me it looks like IRON wanted a shot at LSF anyways and LSF made it easier for them. [/quote] When this incident first emerged he was wearing the INT AA, LSF and INT both confirmed him as a member of LSF and given that LSF indicated they would have to expel him in their "apology" thread, there can be little doubt as to where he was resident at the time of the incident. LSF is at war with NoR and various members have been hopping around AA's to make it more difficult to track aid packages etc. If I expel a member from my alliance the first thing I do is unmask him, LSF never did that because they had no intention of expelling him and have supported his conduct from the start, hence the continuing mimicking in their IRC chan, hidden messages in their apology and general inclination to delay and disrupt all efforts at diplomacy despite their representatives agreeing the measures taken were reasonable. We couldn't have given two !@#$% about LSF and until said transgressions took place we had never had any contact with them.

[center][img]http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8302/ironflagmediumlk9.png[/img] [color=orange][b][size=5][u]Notice of Military Action[/u][/color][/b][/size][/center] No expulsion of member: [spoiler][img] http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo61/ThePansy/optimistic.jpg[/img][/spoiler] No Apology: [spoiler][url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=111663&pid=2990045&st=0&#entry2990045"]No apology.[/url][/spoiler] No Reps: [spoiler][img] http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/3310/noreps.png[/img][/spoiler] No choice. In response to the following: - Sanctioning the false impression of an IRON government official with intent to deceive an IRON ally and in doing so attempting to cause an unwarranted attack on an innocent third party. - Choosing not to comply with both the spirit and criteria of the reasonable agreements reached to resolve said matter as is listed in [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=111638&st=0]this thread[/url] and evidenced below. - Being general asshats and going to extraordinary lengths to avoid diplomatic resolution, spitting in their allies face in the process. The Independent Republic of Orange Nations hereby declares war on the Libertarian Socialist Federation. [I][color=orange]Signed for IRON:[/color][/I] Signed,Signed, [b]MCRABT[/b], President [b]Mia[/b], Secretary of State, IRON Councilor [b]Blaskowicz[/b], Deputy Secretary of State, IRON Councilor [b]ccabal86[/b], Deputy Secretary of State, IRON Councilor [b]Shan Revan[/b], Minister of Awesome, IRON Councilor [b]Curufinwe[/b], Minister of Internal Affairs, IRON Councilor [b]Blade619[/b], Minister of Defense, IRON Councilor [b]Baron Aaron[/b], Deputy Minister of Defense, IRON Councilor [b]Queltocz[/b], Minister of the Vault, IRON Councilor [b]Dodoei123/b], Minister at Large, IRON Councilor [b]Matt Miller[/b], Deputy Minister of the Vault, IRON Councilor Evidence: [spoiler][quote] [21:47] * MCRABT (IP removed) has joined #glof [21:47] <MCRABT> Hi [21:47] <MCRABT> Penedono: you around? [21:48] * MCRABT (Mibbit@) Quit ( Quit: ) [21:48] * MCRABT (Mibbit@) has joined #glof [21:48] <MCRABT> Yeah, is Penedono around to talk? [21:49] <@Auctor> TheSnowman might be [21:49] <MCRABT> ok [21:49] <MCRABT> TheSnowman? [21:49] <MCRABT> are you there? [21:50] <MCRABT> TheSnowman? Hello? [21:57] <&TheSnowman> yeah [21:57] <MCRABT> don't worry, I've got Penedono on query [21:58] <&TheSnowman> ok good deal [22:04] * TheSnowman is now known as TheSnowmanafk [22:08] * Auctor sets mode +b *!*@for #glof [22:08] * MCRABT was kicked by Auctor () Reason (fgt)[/quote] [quote] [22:37] <Penedono> MCRABT is Mibbit@* http://www.mibbit.com [22:37] <Penedono> MCRABT on @#IRON-private #glof #blackguards [22:37] <Penedono> MCRABT using snow.coldfront.net Welcome to Coldfront! [22:37] <Penedono> MCRABT End of /WHOIS list. [22:37] <Penedono> - [22:37] <Penedono> [19:54] <MCRABT> Well, MHA are going to go in on MK with R&R [22:37] <Penedono> [19:54] <MCRABT> at update tonight [22:37] <Penedono> [19:54] <Penedono> lol, read my mind for the next question [22:37] <Penedono> [19:55] <MCRABT> lol [22:37] <Penedono> [19:55] <MCRABT> well [22:37] <Penedono> [19:55] <MCRABT> they have heard [22:37] <Penedono> [19:55] <MCRABT> from an apparent "very credible" source [22:37] <Penedono> [19:55] <MCRABT> that NoR are going to counter them [22:37] <Penedono> [19:55] <Penedono> I would think NoR has their hands full [22:37] <Penedono> [19:55] <MCRABT> Well, apparently not [22:37] <Penedono> [19:56] <MCRABT> MK are pissed that they attacked LSF [22:37] <Penedono> [19:56] <MCRABT> and in an attempt to retain that treaty, NoR will want to help them here [22:37] <Penedono> [19:56] <Penedono> Blask fill you in that LSF tried to manipulate us into declaring on NoR for them? [22:37] <Penedono> [19:56] <MCRABT> and also, NoR are 5 times LSF's size [22:37] <Penedono> [19:57] <MCRABT> No? [22:37] <Penedono> [19:57] <Penedono> Or at least, one member did, whether condoned as aplan, or an indiependant act [22:37] <Penedono> [19:57] <MCRABT> what happened? [22:37] <Penedono> [19:58] <Penedono> Fed us screens of an internal matter on the NoR forums, asked if I could tease a CB out of it to be ble to help LSF [22:37] <Penedono> [19:58] <Penedono> Some minor drama pertaining to some vaguely anti RL Masonsic opinions [22:37] <Penedono> [19:58] <MCRABT> Pfft [22:37] <Penedono> [19:59] <MCRABT> ah well [22:37] <Penedono> [19:59] <MCRABT> funny you mention war with NoR though [22:37] <Penedono> [19:59] <Penedono> That was my basic reaction, too [22:37] <Penedono> [19:59] <MCRABT> with NoR countering MHA [22:37] <Penedono> [19:59] <MCRABT> we're goin to want to go in, obviously, to help our allies [22:38] <Penedono> [19:59] <MCRABT> *going [22:38] <Penedono> [20:00] <MCRABT> But also, we have allies at Umbrella [22:38] <Penedono> [20:00] <MCRABT> who attacked Fark. [22:38] <Penedono> [20:00] <MCRABT> Umbrella have also heard that they're going to be countered by Sparta [22:38] <Penedono> [20:00] <MCRABT> So, we've found ourselves in the tricky situation of wanting to fight two wars [22:38] <Penedono> [20:00] <MCRABT> and here's where you come in [22:38] <Penedono> [20:01] <Penedono> Counters? [22:38] <Penedono> [20:01] <MCRABT> No, pre-emptive strikes [22:38] <Penedono> [20:01] <MCRABT> I'm requesting you to hit NoR at update tonight [22:38] <Penedono> [20:01] <MCRABT> I know this is a big ask [22:38] <Penedono> [20:02] <Penedono> Yeah, that's a short timeframe... [22:38] <Penedono> [20:02] <MCRABT> but if we're to stand a chance at winning this, we need strong allies like you [22:38] <Penedono> [20:02] <MCRABT> That way, you can fill some war slots [22:38] <Penedono> [20:02] <MCRABT> And when we quickly follow, there aren't as many for us to take [22:38] <Penedono> [20:02] <MCRABT> leaving a portion of our nations able to attack Sparta who will counter Umbrella [22:38] <Penedono> [20:03] <MCRABT> are you with me? [22:38] <Penedono> [20:03] <Penedono> I follw, but I'll need a few minutes to look at this [22:38] <Penedono> [20:03] <MCRABT> ok [/quote][/spoiler] [spoiler][img] [IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b91/crazylass12/MCRABTimpersonate-1.png[/IMG][/img][/spoiler] [spoiler][quote] [22:54] <lenin> Optimistic[LSF] was Optimistic@ * ... [22:54] <lenin> Optimistic[LSF] using Mon Jun 18 00:59:09 2012 [22:54] <lenin> Optimistic[LSF] was Optimistic@c * ... [22:54] <lenin> Optimistic[LSF] using Sun Jun 17 22:53:16 2012 [22:54] <lenin> End of WHOWAS [22:54] <lenin> MCRABT was Mibbit@ * http://www.mibbit.com [22:54] <lenin> MCRABT using snow.coldfront.net Mon Jun 18 02:25:21 2012 [22:54] <lenin> MCRABT was Mibbit@ * http://www.mibbit.com [22:54] <lenin> MCRABT using frozen.coldfront.net Mon Jun 18 01:48:18 2012 [22:54] <lenin> End of WHOWAS[/quote][/spoiler] [spoiler][quote][14:54] <Shan[IRON]> Alright you'll do fine. [14:55] <Pacifist_Ninja> Thanks for the high praise, heh [14:55] <Shan[IRON]> [14:55] <Shan[IRON]> If you're here and willing then it's good enough for me. [14:56] <Pacifist_Ninja> Well, what's the issue? [14:56] <Shan[IRON]> well to start with, could you tell me if the following nation is or was recently a member of LSF? http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=430807 [14:57] <Shan[IRON]> It would appear he he at least was and as far as I can tell probably still is despite the aa. [14:57] <Pacifist_Ninja> Hold on while I verify something [14:58] <Shan[IRON]> thanks [14:58] <Pacifist_Ninja> He was a LSF member, legitimately switched to Int awhile ago (approx. half a year IIRC), and just yesterday decided to start switching to LSF in light of the LSF-NoR war [15:01] <Shan[IRON]> So what does that make him presently? LSF? Ghost? [15:02] <Pacifist_Ninja> He officially applied to LSF and was accepted, but is still in the process of finishing everything else involved in switching alliances. [15:04] <Shan[IRON]> are you aware of his transgressions in the past 24 hours against us and our allies? [15:04] <Shan[IRON]> Specifically the (poor) impersonation of our president and attempting to incite our allies to attack NoR [15:04] <Pacifist_Ninja> I am aware of such allegations [15:08] <Shan[IRON]> Would providing logs and evidence change anything or will you be sticking to that line given other recent LSF actions? [15:11] <Pacifist_Ninja> I'm not denying it happened, its just poor form for an outsider to jump to conclusions. For this conversation, lets assume it's true. [15:12] <Shan[IRON]> WEll it did happen, we have the logs and the unique IRC IP hashes also match between the impersonator and that member. [15:15] <Pacifist_Ninja> Ok, well, what is it that you want to talk about based on this? [15:19] <Shan[IRON]> Sorry I was going through the log forum digging up the evidence for you (I'll get that in a moment). [15:22] <Shan[IRON]> Due to the volatile circumstances this occurred during, we would like for the individual to post an acknowledgement of his impersonations and an apology to mcrabt and glof for his misconduct. We would like to secure 100 tech each for iron and glof and we want the member removed from LSF. [15:23] <Shan[IRON]> Do you have somewhere I can PM you the logs and stuff? Less messy than pasting it straight into IRC [15:24] <Pacifist_Ninja> Do you mind making an account on our forums? [15:24] <Pacifist_Ninja> ( http://z15.invisionfree.com/LSF/index.php?act=idx ) [15:25] <Shan[IRON]> Eh, it's alright, I'll just put it in here. [15:25] <Pacifist_Ninja> ok [15:26] <Shan[IRON]> Okay so this first bit of him in the public channel of our ally glof [15:26] <Shan[IRON]> [21:47] * MCRABT (Mibbit@) has joined #glof [15:26] <Shan[IRON]> [21:47] <MCRABT> Hi [15:26] <Shan[IRON]> [21:47] <MCRABT> Penedono: you around? [15:26] <Shan[IRON]> [21:48] * MCRABT (Mibbit@) Quit ( Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client ) [15:26] <Shan[IRON]> [21:48] * MCRABT (Mibbit@) has joined #glof [15:26] <Shan[IRON]> [21:48] <MCRABT> Yeah, is Penedono around to talk? [15:26] <Shan[IRON]> [21:49] <@Auctor> TheSnowman might be [15:26] <Shan[IRON]> [21:49] * titanrain (bakunin@) has joined #glof [15:26] <Shan[IRON]> [21:49] <MCRABT> ok [15:26] <Shan[IRON]> [21:49] <MCRABT> TheSnowman? [15:26] <Shan[IRON]> [21:49] <MCRABT> are you there? [15:26] <Shan[IRON]> [21:50] <MCRABT> TheSnowman? Hello? [15:26] <Shan[IRON]> [21:57] <&TheSnowman> yeah [15:26] <Shan[IRON]> [21:57] <MCRABT> don't worry, I've got Penedono on query [15:26] <Shan[IRON]> [21:58] <&TheSnowman> ok good deal [15:26] <Shan[IRON]> [22:04] * TheSnowman is now known as TheSnowmanafk [15:26] <Shan[IRON]> [22:04] * General_Somoza (Walking_De@) has joined #glof [15:26] <Shan[IRON]> [22:07] * General_Somoza (Walking_De@) has left #glof [15:26] <Shan[IRON]> [22:08] * Auctor sets mode +b *!*@ for #glof [15:26] <Shan[IRON]> [22:08] * MCRABT was kicked by Auctor () Reason (fgt) [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> This is a query with allied government attempting to incite war. [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> MCRABT is Mibbit@ * http://www.mibbit.com [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> MCRABT on @#IRON-private #glof #blackguards [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> MCRABT using snow.coldfront.net Welcome to Coldfront! [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> MCRABT End of /WHOIS list. [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> - [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:54] <MCRABT> Well, MHA are going to go in on MK with R&R [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:54] <MCRABT> at update tonight [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:54] <Penedono> lol, read my mind for the next question [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:55] <MCRABT> lol [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:55] <MCRABT> well [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:55] <MCRABT> they have heard [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:55] <MCRABT> from an apparent "very credible" source [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:55] <MCRABT> that NoR are going to counter them [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:55] <Penedono> I would think NoR has their hands full [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:55] <MCRABT> Well, apparently not [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:56] <MCRABT> MK are pissed that they attacked LSF [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:56] <MCRABT> and in an attempt to retain that treaty, NoR will want to help them here [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:56] <Penedono> Blask fill you in that LSF tried to manipulate us into declaring on NoR for them? [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:56] <MCRABT> and also, NoR are 5 times LSF's size [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:57] <MCRABT> No? [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:57] <Penedono> Or at least, one member did, whether condoned as aplan, or an indiependant act [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:57] <MCRABT> what happened? [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:58] <Penedono> Fed us screens of an internal matter on the NoR forums, asked if I could tease a CB out of it to be ble to help LSF [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:58] <Penedono> Some minor drama pertaining to some vaguely anti RL Masonsic opinions [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:58] <MCRABT> Pfft [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:59] <MCRABT> ah well [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:59] <MCRABT> funny you mention war with NoR though [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:59] <Penedono> That was my basic reaction, too [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Pe [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:59] <Penedono> That was my basic reaction, too [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:59] <MCRABT> with NoR countering MHA [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:37] <Penedono> [19:59] <MCRABT> we're goin to want to go in, obviously, to help our allies [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:38] <Penedono> [19:59] <MCRABT> *going [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:38] <Penedono> [20:00] <MCRABT> But also, we have allies at Umbrella [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:38] <Penedono> [20:00] <MCRABT> who attacked Fark. [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:38] <Penedono> [20:00] <MCRABT> Umbrella have also heard that they're going to be countered by Sparta [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:38] <Penedono> [20:00] <MCRABT> So, we've found ourselves in the tricky situation of wanting to fight two wars [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:38] <Penedono> [20:00] <MCRABT> and here's where you come in [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:38] <Penedono> [20:01] <Penedono> Counters? [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:38] <Penedono> [20:01] <MCRABT> No, pre-emptive strikes [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:38] <Penedono> [20:01] <MCRABT> I'm requesting you to hit NoR at update tonight [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:38] <Penedono> [20:01] <MCRABT> I know this is a big ask [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:38] <Penedono> [20:02] <Penedono> Yeah, that's a short timeframe... [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:38] <Penedono> [20:02] <MCRABT> but if we're to stand a chance at winning this, we need strong allies like you [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:38] <Penedono> [20:02] <MCRABT> That way, you can fill some war slots [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:38] <Penedono> [20:02] <MCRABT> And when we quickly follow, there aren't as many for us to take [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:38] <Penedono> [20:02] <MCRABT> leaving a portion of our nations able to attack Sparta who will counter Umbrella [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:38] <Penedono> [20:03] <MCRABT> are you with me? [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:38] <Penedono> [20:03] <Penedono> I follw, but I'll need a few minutes to look at this [15:27] <Shan[IRON]> [22:38] <Penedono> [20:03] <MCRABT> ok [15:29] <Shan[IRON]> and here are the matching IPs. [15:29] <Shan[IRON]> Quote: [15:29] <Shan[IRON]> [22:54] <lenin> Optimistic[LSF] was Optimistic@coldfront- * ... [15:29] <Shan[IRON]> [22:54] <lenin> Optimistic[LSF] using polar.coldfront.net Mon Jun 18 00:59:09 2012 [15:29] <Shan[IRON]> [22:54] <lenin> Optimistic[LSF] was Optimistic@coldfront- * ... [15:29] <Shan[IRON]> [22:54] <lenin> Optimistic[LSF] using polar.coldfront.net Sun Jun 17 22:53:16 2012 [15:29] <Shan[IRON]> [22:54] <lenin> End of WHOWAS [15:29] <Shan[IRON]> [22:54] <lenin> MCRABT was Mibbit@ http://www.mibbit.com [15:29] <Shan[IRON]> [22:54] <lenin> MCRABT using snow.coldfront.net Mon Jun 18 02:25:21 2012 [15:29] <Shan[IRON]> [22:54] <lenin> MCRABT was Mibbit@* http://www.mibbit.com [15:29] <Shan[IRON]> [22:54] <lenin> MCRABT using frozen.coldfront.net Mon Jun 18 01:48:18 2012 [15:29] <Shan[IRON]> [22:54] <lenin> End of WHOWAS [15:29] <Shan[IRON]> Have one of our screenshots if you prefer. http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b91/crazylass12/MCRABTimpersonate-1.png [15:30] <Pacifist_Ninja> If you don't mind me asking, do you know what timezone the time stamps are in? [15:31] <Pacifist_Ninja> Or any other way of identifying when the conversation occured? [15:32] <Shan[IRON]> EST I'm told [15:36] <Pacifist_Ninja> Ah, this confirms my suspicions that this took place at a very late time in the person's time zone [15:36] <Shan[IRON]> That doesn't really prevent him from having done it. [15:38] <Pacifist_Ninja> Of course, just confirming that the person's decision making powers were not in... optimal condition. [15:39] <Shan[IRON]> Even if that is the case it doesn't significantly change our perspective of things. [15:40] <Shan[IRON]> Would I be correct in assuming you have to take this back to... .well everyone and make a decision on what to do? [15:40] <Pacifist_Ninja> Yes [15:40] <Pacifist_Ninja> Furthermore, I have no ability to speak on the behalf of LSF. [15:42] <Shan[IRON]> yeah yeah, simultaneously no one's gov and everyone's gov. I get it. Anarchy and all that. [15:45] <Shan[IRON]> We'll be in touch tomorrow, it would be in your best interests to have a decision, or at least something to show. [15:46] <Shan[IRON]> Goodbye, [15:46] <Pacifist_Ninja> Our fastest possible response is 24h, though the individual may choose to take action before then [15:47] <Shan[IRON]> As I said, you have a day. If he complies on his own then all the better.[/quote][/spoiler] [spoiler][quote][21:25] <%Spock> EVERYONE DO THE DINOSAUR [21:27] <&anarquista> eat **** [21:28] <&Optimistic[LSF]> ^ [21:28] <%Spock> no u [21:31] <@Saniiro> Consuke defecation [21:31] <@Saniiro> *Consume [21:34] <&SpaceMonkey> lol [21:34] <&SpaceMonkey> REICHZEALAND [21:35] <ReichZealand> [21:35] <&Optimistic[LSF]> that is offensive [21:35] <&Optimistic[LSF]> I am offended. [21:35] <&SpaceMonkey> long time no see [21:35] <&Optimistic[LSF]> I demand a written apology [21:35] <&Optimistic[LSF]> 200 tech [21:35] <&Optimistic[LSF]> and for you to be barred from your alliance [21:35] <ReichZealand> My spider senses told me something was up [21:36] <&Optimistic[LSF]> also, hi ReichZealand [21:36] <&Optimistic[LSF]> if SpaceMonkey likes you [21:36] <&Optimistic[LSF]> then you must be cool. [21:38] <&Optimistic[LSF]> apparently SpaceMonkey is not your best friend [21:38] <&Optimistic[LSF]> i am once again indifferent [21:38] <@Hereno> »» [ReichZealand] : ... [21:38] <@Hereno> »» [ReichZealand] #lsf +#nordreich [21:38] <&Optimistic[LSF]> loldongs [21:38] <&SpaceMonkey> Nah we bros 03[21:38] * SBL[HG] has joined #lsf [21:39] <@Saniiro> Rule Nealantannia? [21:40] <@Hereno> wat 01[21:40] <MCRABT[IRON]> Oh look my doppleganger made a joke 01[21:40] <MCRABT[IRON]> Isn't that clever [21:41] <%Spock> Welp [21:41] <&SpaceMonkey> 03[21:41] * Hereno is now known as MCRABT[lRON] [21:41] <@MCRABT[lRON]> Zeppelin\aw; i declare war on you [21:41] <@MCRABT[lRON]> die, burn, etc. 03[21:41] * MCRABT[lRON] is now known as Hereno [21:41] <&anarquista> so spacemonkey tells us your bros, reichzealand? 03[21:41] * SpaceMonkey is now known as MCRABT[IR0N] [21:41] <Zeppelin\aw> lol [21:41] <%Spock> xfd [21:41] <Zeppelin\aw> is that the real Reich Zealand [21:42] <&anarquista> nobody knows who is real no more [21:42] <@Saniiro> I'm a doppelganger [21:42] <&MCRABT[IR0N]> Yes [21:42] <&MCRABT[IR0N]> he is my friend [21:42] <@Saniiro> Also, what is this? I don't even 07[21:42] <&Optimistic[LSF]> oh hi MCRABT[IR0N] [21:42] <Mak_Stormwielder[CB]> I can't tell whats real anymore, me and my velociraptor are outta here 02[21:42] * %Denis[MK] Quit [21:42] <&Optimistic[LSF]> You still pissed for no reason? [21:43] <&MCRABT[IR0N]> where is that NOR guy [21:43] <&MCRABT[IR0N]> from Illinois [21:43] <%Spock> OH [21:43] <%Spock> THE FAKE ANARQUISTA [21:43] <&MCRABT[IR0N]> Anarqueefta [21:43] <&anarquista> no am real anarquista [21:43] <%Spock> NO YOU'RE NOT [21:43] <&MCRABT[IR0N]> I must find him [21:43] <&anarquista> am real [21:43] <%Spock> LOL 07[21:43] <&Optimistic[LSF]> I hate you MCRABT[IR0N] [21:43] <&Optimistic[LSF]> I hope you die. [21:44] <&MCRABT[IR0N]> How dare you 07[21:44] <&Optimistic[LSF]> Hey, MCRABT[IR0N] [21:44] <&Optimistic[LSF]> You know [21:44] <&MCRABT[IR0N]> you now owe me a 5 million dollars [21:44] <%Spock> no [21:44] <%Spock> not 5 million [21:44] <%Spock> 100 tech [21:44] <%Spock> get it right [21:44] <@Saniiro> What is this? [21:44] <&anarquista> idk [21:44] <&Optimistic[LSF]> 700 million, imo [21:44] <&anarquista> saniiro [21:44] <%Spock> OPTI [21:44] <&anarquista> if that is your real name 07[21:44] <&Optimistic[LSF]> Saniiro: I pretended to be MCRABT last night [21:44] <%Spock> I DEMAND YOU LEAVE YOUR ALLIANCE [21:44] <&Optimistic[LSF]> and IRON demanded 200 tech [21:44] <&Optimistic[LSF]> and demanded I left LSF AA 07[21:44] <@Hereno> excuse me, but this is clearly not the right mcrabt, as the real mcrabt just declared war on zepp [21:44] <&Optimistic[LSF]> lol [21:45] <Zeppelin\aw> obv [21:45] <&MCRABT[IR0N]> Shut up [21:45] <&MCRABT[IR0N]> I am real [21:45] <&MCRABT[IR0N]> how dare you 07[21:45] <&Optimistic[LSF]> YOU JUST NEED TO BELIEEEEEVE IN MCRABT [21:45] <&MCRABT[IR0N]> I am appalled [21:45] <&anarquista> no i am [21:45] <SBL[HG]> nou [21:45] <&MCRABT[IR0N]> Shut up anarqueefta [21:46] <SBL[HG]> lol 01[21:46] <MCRABT[IRON]> Very clever [21:46] <&MCRABT[IR0N]> Who are you [21:46] <SBL[HG]> WTF [21:46] <%Spock> LOL [21:46] <&MCRABT[IR0N]> I demand 500 tech [21:46] <SBL[HG]> There is two 07[21:46] <&anarquista> how dare you speak to LSF gov in that manner mcrabt [21:46] <&MCRABT[IR0N]> you cant use my name [21:46] <%Spock> >lsf gov 07[21:46] <&anarquista> the fake mcrabt [21:46] <@Saniiro> There us no LSF gov 07[21:46] <&Optimistic[LSF]> MCRABT[IR0N]: I am LSF gov [21:46] <&anarquista> no i am [21:47] <&titanrain> no i am [21:47] <con> 500 tech says Optimistic[LSF] leaves LSF before update [21:47] <%Spock> I AM ELESEF GOV [21:47] <@Hereno> i am the king of LSF [21:47] <&titanrain> no i am [21:47] <@Hereno> bow before me peasants [21:47] <&MCRABT[IR0N]> You have 5 minutes [21:47] <&MCRABT[IR0N]> to comply [21:47] <&MCRABT[IR0N]> you dirty anarqists [21:47] <&anarquista> no i am [21:47] <&Optimistic[LSF]> who are you con [21:47] <&MCRABT[IR0N]> There will be hell to pay [21:47] <%Spock> anarqueeftas [21:47] <con> I'm your sugar daddy [21:48] <&Optimistic[LSF]> If you were made of sugar [21:48] <&Optimistic[LSF]> You would collapse. [21:48] <&Optimistic[LSF]> You must therefore be lying. 03[21:48] * con was kicked by ChanServ (KICK by Hereno (suck on my sugar cane)) 03[21:48] * con (has joined #lsf [21:48] <SBL[HG]> Lolipops are made of sugar? 03[21:48] * con was kicked by Spock (welp) 03[21:48] * con has joined #lsf [21:48] <&anarquista> if you were a lolipop [21:48] <&anarquista> you would be sticky [21:48] <SBL[HG]> would you suck me then? 03[21:48] * con was kicked by Optimistic[LSF] (jumping on the bandwagon) 03[21:48] * con has joined #lsf [21:48] <SBL[HG]> hehehe [21:48] <SBL[HG]> :x [21:48] <&anarquista> and fingers would get stuck on keys [21:49] <&Optimistic[LSF]> sticky keys [21:49] <&anarquista> not able to type [21:49] <&Optimistic[LSF]> don't press shift 5 times [21:49] <&Optimistic[LSF]> ends in tears. [21:49] <%Spock> yo Optimistic[LSF] [21:49] <%Spock> got any **** for me to eat [21:49] <&Optimistic[LSF]> no [21:49] <%Spock> poo 03[21:50] * Mia[IRON] has joined #lsf [21:50] <&MCRABT[IR0N]> I will give you **** to eat 06[21:50] * &MCRABT[IR0N] ****s in spocks mouth 07[21:50] <&Optimistic[LSF]> MCRABT[IR0N]: are you impersonating foreign gov members? 03[21:50] * arexes[NG] has joined #lsf [21:50] <%Spock> LOL 03[21:50] * KingXander has joined #lsf [21:50] <&Optimistic[LSF]> HOLY **** [21:50] <&Optimistic[LSF]> 40 MEMBER [21:50] <&Optimistic[LSF]> S [21:50] <%Spock> WELP [21:50] <arexes[NG]> LSF you dun goofing [21:51] <&Optimistic[LSF]> no we didn't [21:51] <&MCRABT[IR0N]> I am not goofing 07[21:51] <&Optimistic[LSF]> MCRABT[IR0N] isn't from IRON [21:51] <arexes[NG]> great way to **** on INT again [21:51] <&Optimistic[LSF]> he is from IR0N 03[21:51] * Jacapo[NG] has joined #lsf [21:51] <arexes[NG]> you go girls [21:51] <%Spock> LOL [21:51] <&Optimistic[LSF]> Indecisive Republic of Zero Nations 06[21:52] * &MCRABT[IR0N] ****s on arexex[NG] mouth [21:52] <Jacapo[NG]> I'm sure this is all amusing to you [21:52] <Jacapo[NG]> It will be amusing to me too [21:52] <arexes[NG]> ssh Jacapo[NG] [21:52] <arexes[NG]> don't spoil the secretz [21:52] <&Optimistic[LSF]> it is amusing [21:52] <J[away]> it's retarded [21:52] <&Optimistic[LSF]> you're retarded [21:52] <&MCRABT[IR0N]> It is [21:52] <%Spock> *amusing [21:53] <&MCRABT[IR0N]> thanks for noticing [21:53] <&MCRABT[IR0N]> that is all [21:53] <J[away]> awww :> 03[21:53] * MCRABT[IR0N] is now known as SpaceMonkey[/quote][/spoiler] [spoiler][quote]Session Start: Mon Jun 18 20:02:49 2012 Session Ident: Comrade_Trotsky[INT] 01[20:02] <MCRABT[IRON]> Around? [20:03] <Comrade_Trotsky[INT]> aye 01[20:04] <MCRABT[IRON]> I wanted to chat with you about this LSF situation we have. 01[20:05] <MCRABT[IRON]> Has anyone mentioned it to you? [20:05] <Comrade_Trotsky[INT]> Yeah, I'm aware 01[20:05] <MCRABT[IRON]> Alright so you know what we asked of them? [20:06] <Comrade_Trotsky[INT]> 200 tech, 100 for each person impersonated [20:06] <Comrade_Trotsky[INT]> correct? 01[20:06] <MCRABT[IRON]> And the member to be expelled from LSF. 01[20:08] <MCRABT[IRON]> Which I would have thought would have been fairly straight forward since it really won't edit his or LSF's fate and would be an act of good will to show they don't support such actions. 01[20:09] <MCRABT[IRON]> But it seemed to be the sticking point for Sabcat. [20:10] <Comrade_Trotsky[INT]> Would the 200 tech and a handwritten apology from the impersonator to both IRON and GLOF do just as good? It would seem as if expulsion is a deal breaker here 01[20:13] <MCRABT[IRON]> To be honest not really CT this is the second time LSF has tried to goad GLoF into hitting NoR, and impersonating an IRON gov member to facilitate that is ridiculous behaviour. If the shoe was on the other foot our guy would out so fast he'd hit the floor before the door had closed. [20:14] <Comrade_Trotsky[INT]> Hmm. Let me talk with them for a bit, if you don't mind. See what they have to say [20:14] <Comrade_Trotsky[INT]> I'll get back to you when I hear an official response from them 01[20:14] <MCRABT[IRON]> OK thanks. 01[20:16] <MCRABT[IRON]> I feel for you guys being allied to them 01[20:17] <MCRABT[IRON]> Must feel like trying to control a nursery of children after it has been given to much fizzy juice. [20:18] <Comrade_Trotsky[INT]> Something like that 01[20:20] <MCRABT[IRON]> Alright buddy i'll catch you in a bit [20:20] <Comrade_Trotsky[INT]> alright Session Time: Tue Jun 19 00:00:00 2012 Session Close: Tue Jun 19 00:17:29 2012 Session Start: Tue Jun 19 20:32:04 2012 Session Ident: Comrade_Trotsky[INT] [20:32] Session Ident: Comrade_Trotsky[INT] (Coldfront, MCRABT[IRON]) 07[20:32] <Comrade_Trotsky[INT]> you around, MCRABT[IRON]? 01[20:32] <MCRABT[IRON]> Yes [20:33] <Comrade_Trotsky[INT]> LSF have agreed to the terms we discussed yesterday. Expulsion and 200 tech [20:33] <Comrade_Trotsky[INT]> plus an apology [20:33] <Comrade_Trotsky[INT]> to both GLOF and IRON [20:33] <Comrade_Trotsky[INT]> Is that offer still good? 01[20:35] <MCRABT[IRON]> I'll talk to our council and get back to you [20:35] <Comrade_Trotsky[INT]> Excellent. Thank you 01[21:07] <MCRABT[IRON]> Hey [21:08] <Comrade_Trotsky[INT]> yo 01[21:09] <MCRABT[IRON]> Hey so I just had a quick chat with my gov 01[21:09] <MCRABT[IRON]> We decided that the reps should be increased to 10k 01[21:09] <MCRABT[IRON]> AND 1 BILLION DOLLARS 01[21:10] <MCRABT[IRON]> AND UKRAINE MUST BEAT ENGLAND FOR THEM TO BE ELIGIBLE [21:15] <Comrade_Trotsky[INT]> D: 01[21:15] <MCRABT[IRON]> Yeah I'm !@#$ting with you [21:15] <Comrade_Trotsky[INT]> Hahaha, I was hoping so xD 01[21:15] <MCRABT[IRON]> The original terms are fine but given their !@#$%* behaviour last night 01[21:15] <MCRABT[IRON]> I'd like the apology to come from LSF [21:16] <Comrade_Trotsky[INT]> What happened last night? *More* !@#$ happened? [21:16] <Comrade_Trotsky[INT]> Oh lawd 01[21:16] <MCRABT[IRON]> Yeah 01[21:16] <MCRABT[IRON]> Optimistic spacemoney and a few others 01[21:17] <MCRABT[IRON]> changed their nics to variations of my nick 01[21:17] <MCRABT[IRON]> and proceed to act like dicks in their irc chan 01[21:17] <MCRABT[IRON]> But anyway we're willing to let it go [21:18] <Comrade_Trotsky[INT]> Ah, that's cool. I'll relay the info to them and we'll get you that tech asap. 01[21:18] <MCRABT[IRON]> Providing the apology is from LSF, and so we can get put all thoughts of having to roll to bed I'd like it to be concluded before 6pm server time? [21:20] <Comrade_Trotsky[INT]> I'll see what I can do. That should be ok for them, I'll get back in touch with you if it's not 01[21:22] <MCRABT[IRON]> Alright good. 01[21:46] <MCRABT[IRON]> CT 01[21:47] <MCRABT[IRON]> If LSF find it acceptable just have them post their apology on the OWF 01[21:47] <MCRABT[IRON]> I've gota go for now 01[21:48] <MCRABT[IRON]> I'll check back at 6pm and will take apology being posted as an acceptance of the terms and a conclusion to the incident. [21:56] <Comrade_Trotsky[INT]> cool Session Close: Tue Jun 19 23:19:27 2012[/quote][/spoiler] EDIT: The matching IPs between Optimistic and my impersonation cannot be shown for obvious reasons, but query a member of IRON Council and they will be provided on request.

[quote name='Aggressivenutmeg' timestamp='1340198272' post='2989982'] I find this difficult to believe based on the amount of butthurt coming from other IRON members in this thread. [/quote] Butthurt? I see amusement which is more than can be said for your members ripping of Charlton Heston in a fit of rage

[quote name='Sabcat' timestamp='1340196395' post='2989960'] Which situation? The IRON situation is resolved is it not, from an LSF perspective? They have what they want. They can now choose to destroy Opti or leave him be. Nothing I can do about it either way and the truth is, there never was. My only regret is the crap I gave him myself. It's easy to lose perspective sometimes, if I owe anyone an apology and some humility, it's Opti. [/quote] Where's ma tech?

[quote name='Yevgeni Luchenkov' timestamp='1340194601' post='2989949'] Already occupied with what, exactly? SF/XX are barely shells of what they used to be. R&R is getting hammered, RIA has no chance to win against NG and FARK is getting butchered for a second time. Let's not even speak of CSN. I'm not exactly sure how you can say they're "occupied". Their current wars are like books: if something interesting was to happen, they could put that book down, get busy with the new interesting venture and take up the book again once they're done. DR knows this. DR also knows better than to interrupt a war where most of their allies are on the winning side. I'm not saying they have any beef with C&G, I'm just saying that people who say right now is a great time for DR to pick their bone with C&G are either deluded or playing it dumb on purpose. Right now would be a terrible time for DR to move against C&G. --------------- As for this thread, I can't be bothered to dig up the last time someone impersonated someone else on IRC but I feel the responses were vastly different. Of course, it mostly had to do with the fact that the impersonator was in a powerful and politically relevant alliance so it was all shrugged off as a joke whereas it's now fine for IRON to demand tech be paid and the member be expelled. And then to laugh as they deem the apology insincere. I guess that in a world where CBs are "I dislike you", they did possess one hell of a CB. [/quote] Events as they happened and could still unfold: 1)IRON and GLoF sitting back minding their own business sipping a beer, a real mans beer for real men who have gotten over the rebellious teenager phase of life having gone through puberty and as a result have their hormones in equilibrium. 2)LSF member sends screen shots of NoR's forums to GLoF in attempt to have them attack NoR. GLoF laughs and cracks open another manly beer for men. 3) A seperate LSF member on a different occasion attempts to hide his identity impersonates IRON's president and queries IRON's MDoAP ally asking them to hit NoR at update. 4) IRON becomes aware and contacts LSF, IRON lays out its position and gives LSF 24 hours to respond, like a responsible adult giving a child time to think about its actions. 5) LSF contacts IRON to discuss the terms which are clarified. LSF states that the terms are reasonable and that they will work on them. Like a teenager who recognises he has done wrong. 6) Various LSF members feel aggrieved about the terms set by IRON deemed reasonable by their representative and proceed to mimic and goad IRON's President in their irc channel. Kinda like a teenager who has been told he has to do the washing up after dinner, this is so unfair you are so unreasonable! 7) 24 hour deadline passes and IRON prepares to roll LSF and notifies allies. 8) INT acting as a wiser bigger brother speaks with LSF and contacts IRON stating that LSF has agreed to take the consequences of its actions on the chin. 9) IRON asks for a slight amendment to the terms due to the transgressions in LSF's IRC channel the night before. The apology is to come from LSF not the individual. 10) LSF posts crappy apology and whines about how evil and horrible IRON is like a 14 year old who got grounded for stealing his dads credit card to buy porn magazines online. Various parties comment DR wants to start a war with CnG despite the numerous displays of restraint demonstrated above. EDIT: I like the quote in your sig, its kind of fitting for this situation don't you think?

Well the notion that this was all one big joke is somewhat undermined by the fact that a seperate LSF member on a prior occasion sent a number of what he viewed to be anti Masonic screenshots of NoRs forums in a naive attempt to have GLoF hit NoR. A couple of days later this occurs. NoR I'll pass you his details in private along with the relevant information since I notice he has now fled the LSF AA. Spy for the cause but not ZI for the cause. Apart from that Shan you sum up my thoughts quite nicely. INT these guys are terrible. You can do better.

[quote name='Sabcat' timestamp='1340149686' post='2989391'] It's crazy. IRON put a time limit on it and people on IRC were shouting at me to post something, I C&P'd this off the forums and here we are. Now lots more people are shouting at me and someone not even in LSF just told me to die in a fire. People really do get excited, don't they? [/quote] I'd like to accept your gracious offer to chill in your irc channel it would even assist us in scheduling payment of our greedy demands as one mcxa member put it, unfortunately I am banned and therefore unable to attend. I think it was horendous or whatever his name is, he seems bitter and should lay off the hops.

[quote name='Hereno' timestamp='1340148733' post='2989366'] Yes, indeed we shall. You won't get an ounce of anything out of us without prying it from my cold, dead hands. Bank on it. [/quote] Got an issue? Grab a tissue. The other part isn't a big problem for me.