Burning Glory

I'll be updating the list tomorrow...still have a bunch of pm's to read and sort....Thanks everyone! BG.

Jack we've been friends for many rounds...since round 2 or 3. I appreciate the friendship and honor you've given and played with. Next to the alliance thats closes to my heat (TPC) You guys are as good as it gets all around, its truly been an honor!! Enjoy the rest, hope your back soon. Congrats to the new leaders and especially another old friend Sylvia M. BG.

Hah, 3 of my fav peeps in one of my Fav alliances! GL this round guys...Hope you bring back the old OB If you need anything just let me know. BG.

looking to start a reliable 7 BR trade circle...as follows; Alum; TCH lumber; Burning Glory Iron; coal; FM Marble; lead; Shakria uranium; Shakria oil; FM rubber; TCH Fur; Burning Glory Gold; Wheat or fish; BR's this TC gives; Construction, Autos, Asphalt, Steel, micro chips. radiation clean up, Scholars This is a perfect combination of growth trades, waring trades, and population along with bill reduction please respond here or in game PM and I'll update the list as offers come in. Thanks guys!

Welcome back guys, GL! BG.

You know your always welcome at TPC...Glad to see your back BG.

Last round was a fun and exciting round, thanks to all that made it possible, and A SPECIAL THANKS to the members of TPC!! You guys rock and you guys make TPC what it is "The best Alliance in TE" o/ To another round! o/ TPC BG.

hah! I don't know, must be an old school hater...God love' em BG.

I can personaly speak for PS...AS allies and friends of TPF/TPC for many rounds both as a part of the team and a very close ally. They are some of the best peeps in the game and just like TPF/TPC love the smell WAR, just like us they are some of the best fighting nations in the game. I for one congradulate them on their acheviments this round. TFD was also a friend of TPF and nation for nation was one of the very few that could grow nations like us. Really though this is a game to have fun with...Some will grow to try and win the flag, some will war and other wil try to balance both. Its only 60 days long and the real winners of the round are the ones who had fun playing. RD is a good alliance, in fact RD has been to war on both sides of the fence with TPF/TPC. At first foe's and ended up as friends and allies. You guys have a lot of honor and good peeps, relax..... GL to everyone BG.

lol, I actually made the list And someone actually voted for me....I'm going to have to step up my game BG.

[quote name='BamaBuc' timestamp='1282087269' post='2420553'] Ah, tis sad to see how little the old ways of TE are remembered. Fear not... Your ignorance and insanity can and will be cured. Enlightenment shall set you free to follow the guiding light of the Trout Flag. -Bama OOC: eyerack, I'd love that. There's too much seriousness and butthurt around here these days. Used to be you'd roll somebody at the end of the round and they'd just laugh and say "well played". Apparently the allure of the ingame flag has caused people to forget to have some fun. [/quote] Bama! Where ya been? Actually there are alliances and peeps who still play TE that way Glad to have you back...pm me on day one BG.

Yeah, 4 days....but still not as quick as some wars. Never the less it was a good time BG.

[quote name='ShotgunWilly' timestamp='1281583467' post='2412111'] I remember being told that NSO was trying to negotiate with RoK before the DoWs went out, but Hoo was quite conveniently away all day until the DoW was posted. It might be appropriate to say that NSO didn't even get a chance to offer reps. EDIT for grammar... *mumbles about stupid new keyboard* [/quote] This is a fact, how convieniant....Besides when in CN history has anyone paid reps with out seeing proof of said claim for restitution? BG.

[quote name='Sir Dingly Dang' timestamp='1281474804' post='2410161'] I'm not sure what that picture shows - as soon as one party deletes the aid, it disappears, right? My understanding is that part of the problem is that Sedrick took aid and didn't reimburse (members of) the alliance. Then he spied on a TENE member (not exposed, so my guess is that in threatening war against adzzz, he probably brought it up, and hopefully TENE has logs of the conversation if it was PM or IRC - if they have this, they should share it). He threatened war against adzzz, who then spied on him (again, the threat should be provable, and I also wonder if anyone has gotten any word from Sedrick himself?). He then attacked several TENE members. Now, to me, even without logs of Sedrick spying on TENE, and even without proof of sedrick taking money and running to MHA (and since they rejected him, I'm wondering what was verified there), as soon as he attacked TENE, he was a rogue. He wasn't under MHA, and in fact, at least one war against TENE was declared while under "none". RoK had an obligation to attack him on behalf of their protectorate when asked. I have no problem with NSO accepting Sedrick. And I have no problem with RoK attacking Sedrick. If NSO chooses to protect Sedrick even though he had attacked a RoK protectorate, that's their right. If RoK attacks Sedrick for attacking their protectorate, that's their right. Both sides did what was right under their charter/viewpoint/"ethics", and both sides committed an act of war under the viewpoint of the other. NSO didn't retaliate for RoK's act (attacking an NSO member without sufficient proof of roguery - and I'm just trying to see if from NSO's viewpoint) as they figured it would be handled diplomatically; RoK [b]did[/b] retaliate for NSO's act (aiding a nation they felt was a rogue) as was their choice. Was NSO wrong in aiding Sedrick? Not in my eyes, that's their choice. Were they expressly told that such aid would be considered an act of war. Yes. Was the aid probably given in an act of spite of being told "don't do it?" Most likely, at least that's what it looks like. Does that make a darn bit of difference? Not to me. IMHO, aid being sent immediately after being told it would lead to war was basically asking for what happened next, as stupid as the ultimatum may have been in Heft's eyes. Diplomacy may have been better served by not [i]immediately[/i] aiding Sedrick, especially when it was made clear that Hoo was fully considering Sedrick a rogue nation, but that's not my call. Regardless, Sedrick attacked TENE. Even on the off chance that it was TENE's fault somehow, which I personally don't believe, but even so, he was unaligned and attacked an alliance with a protectorate. I would expect that alliance and/or its protectorate to attack that nation regardless of what actions that rogue took afterwards. Maybe that's not NSO's way of doign things, and that's fine. But both alliances are fully within their rights to fight this stupid war. Everything else is just NSO's "side" (not NSO) complaining about a curbstomp, and RoK's "side" trying to goad the conspiracy theorists. Which is why I still think it should be as simple as NSO agreeing that Sedrick had baggage to clear up before he should have been protected (if I'm understanding NSO's policies correctly), RoK agreeing that the speed of all these events occurring probably didn't help, and . I still think that if alliance A goes to alliance B to complain about a rogue, that it is the job of alliance A to be ready with a preponderance of evidence (not necessarily beyond a reasonable doubt), not the job of alliance B to research everything themselves, although it certainly may be wise to make inquiries even if presented with limited evidence, even if it's normally the job of the accuser to present evidence... [/quote] If I had the time ^^^^^this is pretty close to what I would say.....Just give all of PB the proof of Sedricks roguery, this would solve all conflict and downing of Rok. The obvious facts "war screen" proves nothing. I'm sure that any ruler would attack another un-allied ruler if they were spied upon, I would. The new info that was not relesed earlier war that he took aid with out paying up sounds fishy..why was this not brouht up sooner? BG.

[quote name='ShadowChaos' timestamp='1281578955' post='2411967'] Oh? So you're claiming that Protectorates isn't true, and that we (RoK) don't need to defend the signatory alliances of Ragnablok, a Protectorate Blok. Am I right then? There is Proof that the Rogue is attacking TENE, an alliance in Ragnablok, a Protectorate Blok. [b]EDIT[/b]: And there's also Proof that NSO aided the Rogue after Hoo said he would declare war if they (NSO) aided the rogue. [/quote] There is justification in the attacks of the Tene nation; 22:04] <Heft> [u]Your protectorate spied on him and threatened him with war [/u][22:04] <Heft> I believe Heggo told Rampage this earlier 11[22:05] <VanHooIII[RoK]> Your new member spied first, and threatened war as well 11[22:05] <VanHooIII[RoK]> He then went rogue on multiple TENE nations 11[22:05] <VanHooIII[RoK]> We'd rather him settle this before joining a new alliance [22:06] <Heft> [u]I haven't seen any claims that he spied on them. The only evidence we have establishes TENE committing an act of war upon him first [/u] It was established that He was spied on first and thus attacked the Tene nations in retaliation as he had the right to do. The counter argument was that he spied first thus the spied attacks on him, yet no proof was shown or found. The ball was in Hoo's court to show just cause...he failed to do so and at the very least he made no attempts to pursue diplomacy. No matter what AA your in or who's side your on...Wrong is Wrong. BG.

[quote name='ShotgunWilly' timestamp='1281311794' post='2405252'] o/ NSO. Good luck! Gotta love that 4 alliances are needed to take down one! Reminds me of another time... [/quote] Yeah it is pretty sad, guess the heat was to much [quote name='Pyroman' timestamp='1281312034' post='2405277'] I you Lint. Have my dust bunnies? Also, I tend to agree with the NSO on this. Not the whole "this is about something bigger" paranoia (no offense linty), but that RoK was incredibly rash in deciding to start this war. Its sad to see that passion rules reason, even on planet bob. You losers take your alliance pride too seriously. If the NSO had done what you did, they would have declared war yesterday. [/quote] You took the words right out of my mouth...Rok has lost all my respect, even worse showed PB they lack honor. [quote name='wickedj' timestamp='1281312109' post='2405289'] Face it, you tried to be a hardass and it bit you right square in the $@! [/quote] Where the heck did you get that ? All they did was ask for proof and claimed that they were told differently. [quote name='SpacingOutMan' timestamp='1281312177' post='2405299'] Well, good stuff, but if your allies were actually your friends, they'd activate their treaties anyways, so I'll be intrigued to see what happens. [/quote] hah, global war or not if it was me pulling the strings and making decisions I'd throw every thing I had in against RoK and their lackies [quote name='Eden Taylor' timestamp='1281312179' post='2405300'] So NSO will be pulling a TPF like in Blue Balls? [/quote] You wish you had that much honor and at least we have balls......Blue or not [quote name='Phetion' timestamp='1281312200' post='2405305'] How hard was it to comprehend "If you do this, we will take it as an act of war". You made your bed NSO, lie in it. [/quote] About as hard as it was to comprehend this " Show us this proof, we have a different story" Yeah seems simple enough to me BG.

MY OPINION.....This sounds like a bunch of " he said, she said " BS! Far as I can tell and unless I missed it some where, THERE IS NO PROOF the so called Rouge nation spied on the Tene nation. With that said and even if it were true, Ragnarok should have produced evidence to back up such claims before attacking NSO and made all possible attempts to get it handled diplomatically. Just remember, sooner or later "what comes around goes around" BG.

[quote name='Son of Taeper' timestamp='1281359598' post='2407361'] Kind of says it all [img]http://forums.cybernations.net/public/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif[/img] Kind of says it all again. Could I suggest you use any of your numerous free slots to defend OP? Bit strange that I am doing more to defend OP than you are when you are not in A , have no incoming attacks and two outgoing slots available? Just a thought my friend. Thanks for the advice Pukes and thanks for the support. You have 1 incoming and no outgoing wars. You're not in A either, so did I miss something?? LE used to be loyal , fair, fighters. I don't condone Bad Co's attacks on LE or OP but it does strike me as amusing that I take so much flack from following LE orders. As an LE officer I stay behind to defend an inactive LE Cadet member that is close to A. Although my defenses are way higher, I am the only nation in that alliance that is attacked by a guy flying OP colors and OP say it is a rogue attack by an OP applicant (The "applicant " actually told me I was the target). No big deal as it's a game of war. OP then send another guy in to destroy me (Bones) when Mushroom cannot contain me on his own and Bones is not an applicant. Nothing is done by OP to contain the rogue attack which further leads me to believe it was not a rogue attack. I then take all sorts of flack from both LE and OP even when I''m the only guy following orders. Bacon gave specific orders not to post in a specific thread. I followed these orders reluctantly but the order was LE wide so all LE should have followed those orders. Bacon then orders an LE attack on Bad Co so LE should follow those orders. Sorry Bad Co, I threw my Officer status in when I saw it for what it was worth. Be nice if others could follow orders and have loyalty to their alliance. [/quote] For what it's worth SoT, I find your actions honorable and becoming of a true soldier/officer and to be quite honest I have always admired that about you. Your integrity in my opinion is with out question. BG.

[quote name='Dexomega' timestamp='1281331577' post='2406620'] Can someone SMALLER than us declare for a change? [/quote] lol, we are smaller....by three nations BG.

The air is getting think in here, as much as I love the quotes...And I do find them entertaining Its probably better to relax, calm down, and take a break. Maybe find a way of stress release...I like to beat the old lady. Wait wait, you didn't let me finish....."playing wii" BG.

[quote name='Clash' timestamp='1281282148' post='2404551'] I'd rather win the casualty race than the flag. It's way cooler and means YOU are way cooler. Jim of course on top, who else? Lookit me go though! I'm killin' 'em as fast as my lil soldiers can die. Say what you want about Marcus - and a lot of people do - but he's getting better at this stuff. Confuzzle 'em, baybee! Mustard's becoming a regular on this list, and big props to my main man, the ever-present Cam for his usual fighting fury. The people with big ol' targets on their backs. Big bonus points for Jim (AS USUAL!), and Rosie and Mustard for being on both lists. Tucking Fypo is at least doing a semi-legit job as a rogue. If you gotta go be a rogue, at least don't be a stooge about it and fold sloppy like a road map. Jim (OF COURSE!) is way out front in his race for a 4th casualty title. IMHO, he's the preeminent TEer in perhaps the history of TE. I think he and Fishy are probably in a class of their own. Lookit me go though! Just gotta get myself nuked a few more times, and I'm a contender. This list is wayyy more fun to update than the sanctions race lol Shout out your casualties people! Be proud of how well you kill 'em [/quote] Way to go clash, reminds me of the good old days I'm not doing bad on the count for just jumping back to active 2 weeks ago Rounds almost over, good luck to every one! BG.

[quote name='President Gunn' timestamp='1281159250' post='2403519'] Forgot to mention that you guy shave 100k extra NS and over 80 more nukes [/quote] When we declared we were only about 800-900 NS higher on avg per nation, we bulked up Far as the nukes go, its not our aim to hit you with nukes, although I'm sure a few from both sides will fly. This is just a short fun war only ment to last 4 or 5 days, however if you guys would like to discuss an earlier or even later terms please contact myself, Dog, or King James via in game mail. Thanks BG.

[quote name='Harry Dresden' timestamp='1280700868' post='2397404'] Poor little Deebo has left The War and Hate Bus to hide in None. Did he have a little too much fun? I'll have to see if some of my colleagues can give him more fun. [/quote] lol, you can run but you can't hide! Sounds like it time for the CN staff (AKA MODs) to send out surrender terms BG.

[quote name='lonewolfe2015' timestamp='1280171316' post='2389937'] Can I get a hot nurse to 'take care of me' as well? Cause then I'll be game. Don't worry, I'll drag Gabs with me if he'd actually respond to me [/quote] lol, make 2 hot nurses and I'm game I don't think Gabs is back...at least as far as i know anyway. Its sad to see so many of my brethren leave for RL, I've had my calling for RL lately but I'm hear to stay, at least for the for see-able future I'll miss ya JB! BG.

[quote name='Son of Taeper' date='20 July 2010 - 10:29 AM' timestamp='1279639733' post='2380641'] Granted, I think the facts have been laid out regarding a stomp and a pity you could not have posted before the stats were posted. BG, you are a bit of a cult figure and have been since I joined way back. Cadet V TPC was meant as an example and a joke but you never can tell how crazy guys are [/quote] lol, Not sure if thats a good thing or not Really thought I just try to have fun playing the game, At the same time I also try to keep it honorable and fair. I am only human but I do my best Ha, there are some crazy peeps on here, thats for sure! BG.