Burning Glory

[quote name='ReadyFireAIm' date='13 February 2010 - 12:02 AM' timestamp='1266040923' post='2178771'] 3 alliances against one that is already in a war? You must think very highly of them [/quote] I have to lol at you....How do you look in the mirror? [quote name='Rickyman1984' date='13 February 2010 - 09:35 PM' timestamp='1266118502' post='2180153'] I have to say, considering we've endured completely unexpected blitzes by- - an alliance around the same size as us (RnR) - two alliances around the mid-twenties in the sanction race (the society and OB) - and the number 30 alliance (LC) And that we're outnumbered 52 nations (with several of those being ghosts) to 113 nations, I'm pretty damn proud of us that we've stuck together and are fighting back as well as we are. Without exception, everyone in the Vault that I've talked to has said "bring it" so don't expect any bawwing on our end. I'd also like to personally congratulate Marcus for his unspoken admission that taking us on with anything resembling statistically fair numbers would be hopeless for him. I'm sure it was a lesson hard-learned during his DoW on us earlier this round. So really, Marcus, sincerely, o/ Marcus [/quote] How does it feel to be on the bottom side of a curb stomp if you want to call it that? Not saying that I agree but trust me you guys are not innocent and it sure didn't bother you to hit RnR with others...Hope next time you guys think before you jump in on a curbstomp, maybe remembering what comes around goes around. Good luck to all of you! BG.

Wiz you have great worriors and great peeps, but of course.....Most are ex-TPF Congrats guys!! [quote name='JonBoy16' date='14 February 2010 - 03:03 PM' timestamp='1266181417' post='2181213'] Is it just me or has SOSBrigade suddenly gotten cocky after Fark and GATO jump in on their behalf? [/quote] Thats the way it looks to me [quote name='Locke' date='14 February 2010 - 03:15 PM' timestamp='1266182104' post='2181231'] We've been cocky the whole time, actually. There's more in the fingernail on my pinky than in your entire body. Do try to keep up though, it's amusing watching you fall flat on your face. [/quote] [quote name='michaeru' date='14 February 2010 - 03:30 PM' timestamp='1266183021' post='2181250'] If you seriously believe that, then you need to be destroyed even more urgently than us a-nime-bominations. [/quote] Funny how SOS has gone all round with out a war while OC has been in three and yet call in 2 other AA's to help out against a 25 member AA with no AF (as you guys keep implying) Then have the adassity to brag. No worries, TPF will help even the odds BG.

Good luck RE, save no pixels!! BG.

[quote name='ReadyFireAIm' date='09 February 2010 - 08:56 AM' timestamp='1265723778' post='2170502'] I might as well take the time to teach TPF how to check seniority in-game. Since you guys don't believe you've gained 8 members since the start of the war. Here you go: http://tournament.cybernations.net/allNations_display_alliances.asp?Page=8&Order=ASC&Field=Alliance_Date&Alliance=The%20Phoenix%20Federation The war is 2 days old. You have gained a total of 8 members since the beginning of the war, including two that had nukes. The avg. ns difference of 1000 was lowered by about 1/2 after gaining those nations. and before you go claiming "They're ghosts!!" , 7 of the 8 are involved in offensive wars against LE. [/quote] OK, points have been made here disagreed or not, I just know the active count when TPF was blitzed and even i was quadded by 3 nations while I was sitting at 20% troops and no AF, and having received pms or other messages stating members would be inactive this weekend. At any rate the 8 that you see that are new (and only I know) 2 are TPF member that left the day of the war or a few before to help out AA's that were either getting raided, or a hatchery grad. And 1 or 2 were TPF last round that started in another AA but rejoined to WAR with LE, and one is a good friend of mine who was going to join TPF for the end round war and would have joined us several days ago except this person had to defend against WAPA raiders. The other 3 nations I have no clue who they are. But even with the ones who joined, they in no way made up the difference of the 1000 NS difference at the start of the war as only one of them are in our top 10, one in the top 20 and the other even less then that. BG.

[quote name='Janitor' date='09 February 2010 - 12:08 AM' timestamp='1265692125' post='2169887'] never by 1000 and yes, you gained 8 since the war started... them's the facts jack. ANd you are right 61 active vs 127... shame on LE... definately took advantage of you there. Nice of you to show up though! [/quote] Guess you didn't read, I said as of today!!! Today we are 127 active nations, yesterday we were not only around 100. And we didn't gain 8...lets do the math here shall we? if we started with oh lets say 150 and we now have 153, thats not 8. Going by our 0 days alliance? well that not the correct way to see how many new nations we have as we have nations coming and going daily. And you most certainly were 1000 avg NS higher, want proof? link me to your nation and you shall have it. BG.

[quote name='ReadyFireAIm' date='08 February 2010 - 03:57 PM' timestamp='1265662667' post='2169048'] haha, TPF have never attacked alone any alliance larger than them. Who did you guys fight last round? Blackwater? And a war against fark, who were not even 1/2 your size? And an end of round war against two alliances that had fought all round. When did we jump into a curb stomp? When we helped out OP against you guys? That was not a curb stomp at all. The sad thing is, you honestly believe it was one because they got the jump on you. CDT isn't claiming to be an alliance like LE, and TPF certainly does not have the track record to call us out for not starting a 1v1 war against larger opponents. TPF has a lot of great players, so just man up and stop making excuses. You'll probably win the war anyway ps. We haven't fought OB or SDF. [/quote] Your lost, TPF hit Frostbite and won, TPF attacked LE on 2 or 3 other occasions.....rounds ago and we were about the same size. When that happened, LE's allies hit TPF, and there are many other times that we war'd with Fark, RD, and other top 10 AA's. Last round you wrong again! TPF Raided BW last round while we were WAR'ing with Trouble. BW DOW'd TPF because of this and we were then fighting Trouble and BW, then FARK blitzed us in defense of BW and all combined were close to TPF in size and AVG NS....not TECH. TPF won all those wars and went on to hit OP, LE and another AA at end round. SO get your facts straight before you come on OWF's with BS like that. When did you jump into a curb stomp? ARE YOU SERIOUS? How about when didn't you? I'll make you a deal...I'll not only post at least three times you jumped in on a band wagon/ curb stomp, I'll post proof with links but in return you have got to stop post on OWF for the whole next round DEAL? One last thing, like or not TPF is one of the best fight AA's in TE....WE have trained a lot of the top players here and our members have branched out to start other AA's most recently OP and OC. TPF has also been responsible for getting the flag at least 3 or 4 times of the past 9 rounds. I have no problem with calling an rose a rose, or even saying that it looks like a weed at times. I mean fair is fair, and a close match is a close match. But I won't just let you or anyone say its even, or remotely even when its not. Just that simple... BG.

[quote name='Janitor' date='08 February 2010 - 03:48 PM' timestamp='1265662136' post='2169039'] Sorry man, those ain't the facts. Every alliance has folks that are inactive or unavailable. Every single one. Can't be helped. You have twice the nations, you've picked up 8 nations since this war started (need the help?), you had more total infra and tech than LE. In short, LE had the blitz, 7 nukes and a 300 point higher average NS. Give us a break, that's not a huge advantage when a 71 nation alliance takes on a 150 nations. I like this fight, but TPF ain't no underdog here, no matter how you try and paint it. And it was way too early for you to start the whining... take a page from Clash, he has always been classy, every single time he has stomped me! [/quote] They are the facts, and yes all AA's have folks inactive...But you guys always clain to be the ones and i quote "quality over quantity" Where most all of your nations are active. Look here; http://tournament.cybernations.net/allAlliances_display.asp You guys have 65 out of 71 active nations, and TPF has 127 active out of 153. Big difference Plus you of all people know total infra and tech means nothing, any one who knows WAR or CN in general knows, this means squat when your dividing it among 150 nations. FACT is, you guys had us beat per AVG NS by 1000....PERIOD! As far as picking up nations, we've picked up a few but i doubt 8. We started with 149 nations when this started, we now have 153. we picked up 4 Like I said, LE had 7 nukes, better AF, the blitz, and a higher avg NS. You are not waring against 150 nations, at best and only as of today you are waring against 123. oh and LMAO...This is not whining, this is statement in reference to the noob and how he thought it was an even war The whining comes in later BG.

[quote name='Jarhead' date='08 February 2010 - 12:01 PM' timestamp='1265648492' post='2168814'] Can't end this round just relaxing. After all, this is CNTE, so enjoy it while at it! A fun and exciting time with TPF once again...time travel~! Good luck fellas, and remember, just have fun! PS: Burning Glory, none of your statements are suitable for me.... [/quote] Sorry man, you may not like it, but its the truth and the facts are verifiable BG.

[quote name='ReadyFireAIm' date='08 February 2010 - 01:03 AM' timestamp='1265609031' post='2168302'] Butts handed to us by who? Not too sure what you're talking about here. TPF isn't known for seeking fair competition. You really can't comprehend the idea of a fair fight. So of course anything that might cause your alliance some damage is uneven and unfair. Not sure how I'm a noob since I've been playing as long as you have. oh well. Have fun [/quote] Honestly, I don't remember who it was. Maybe SDF or OB...one of them beat the snot out of you guys though You are also sadly mistaken, TPF has NEVER been involved in a curb stomp, nor have we attacked an AA in conjunction with another AA. If we blitzed anyone, we did it by our self! TPF only fights fair wars, and we very rarely call in help from allies, and the few times we have, its because we were fighting an unfair WAR. But I happen to know that the only WAR's CDT have been involved with are jumping in on the bandwagon or curbstomps. CDT at one time was a good alliance, but this is now and you have no real WAR record. This is a good time to build one though. End round wars start in a few days...Lets see if you actually pick a FAIR fight/target, (AS you would put it) some AA with a few more nukes than you, some AA with a thousand more NS AVG per nation, oh and let them get the blitz on you. Show me and all of TE that CDT are not bottom feeders, show me that you can do better than just jumping on the bandwagon, or hitting an AA smaller than you with less nukes and less NS. My money is on you whimping out yet again BG.

[quote name='ReadyFireAIm' date='08 February 2010 - 12:42 AM' timestamp='1265607734' post='2168255'] My god BG, I think you would even consider yourselves underdogs against an alliance with zero nukes and 1/4 your size, as long as they attacked you first. Your ability to make yourselves seem like the victims/complete underdogs is incredible. You are full of excuses. Which is too bad since your alliance is an impressive one, and has been for many rounds. Anybody reading what you just wrote would come away thinking the differences in numbers are very little. A few less high ns nations. A few less nukes (yes, 7 is not a big difference). And your claim that LE has a lot more nuclear nations is bull, since they only have 2 more. Even if your nuclear guys are in anarchy, they'll be dealing lots of damage to their enemies. You obviously know more about how hard TPF was hit. Frankly, I still see it as a fairly even battle. Yes, even. I can't wait to hear you whine about that statement. [/quote] Yep you scream of NOOB its the comprehending part thats to much for you i guess Its not about being a victom, we clearly are not.... This is TE and we are TPF! While I have no problem in pointing out the obvious, under dog or not. I never complain and I have no problem with excepting any compatition I just don't want to hear its a FAIR fight from the same people who got their butts haned to them a round or 2 ago by a smaller AA and said it was unfair and had this happened to them, they'd run for help and complain about da ebil AA who did it TPF has been around many rounds and war'd in all of them, we've one alot and lost a few...It happens

[quote name='HisK Owns You' date='08 February 2010 - 12:00 AM' timestamp='1265605208' post='2168144'] o/ LE don't go easy on TPF You know how much I love you guys. [/quote] Hisk, get off your knees and go back to your hole

[quote name='ReadyFireAIm' date='07 February 2010 - 11:15 PM' timestamp='1265602530' post='2168071'] sure you guys were blitzed, but I don't agree that your members were completely unprepared for this war. I know many of you have hidden missile silo's , which means LE couldn't steal many nukes away. Also, your top level nations are a bit larger than LE's (and your top 3 could do a lot of damage) Furthermore, your nations have been countering fairly quickly, and a 7 nuke differential (something like that) is not a big deal when both of you have over 50. you guys have a larger air force (although less per nation), and have already gained a few new nations since the beginning of the war. I'm not saying LE are the underdogs, but this war is still pretty even despite the successful blitz. Should be a good 1v1 battle. [/quote] You are entitled to your opinion, but you are incorrect First off, LE has more hidden nuke silo's at the count of 8, TPF has 7 and of those 7 at least 2 have no nukes or the ability to get them. So again LE has the advantage there. Then you must not have read the full topic from me....LE has more nukes, even if its only 7 nukes, its still more, just like an AA with no nukes hitting an AA with 7, it makes a difference. Plus as I said, they have more nations with nukes, and since you don't understand that this is also a big plus and advantage for them i'll spell it out; It means more nations with nukes can hit our nations who don't have nukes which mean our nation who get hit with nukes loose!! All around, they loose and have no ability to fight back. Do you know what a 7 day loss of Tax collection does to a nation who is fighting a nation not in nuke anarchy, with full AF? And it does matter regardless of how many each AA has. Example; TPF could have 100 nukes and LE only 50, but if TPF only had 5 nations equaling the 100 nukes, we could only cause damage to 15 nations with those nukes, however if LE had 25 nations equaling the 50 nukes, then LE could cause damage to 50 nations with the 50 nukes. So you see, it matters very much how many nukes you have and how many nations have them. And where do you get we gained nations, we lost nations and gained nations and at that we are still less than we started with. Also 2 of our top 3 nations were sanction by LE (total of 4 or 5 all together), they really have no capacity to war effectively. An we have no nations that are a bit larger than LE's nations other than our #1 who can actually war. For that matter we have 2 7k NS nations to their 5 7k NS, we have 6 6k NS to their 7 6k NS, we have 4 5k NS to their 7 5k NS, and we have 14 4k NS nations to their 14 4k NS nations, So again you see they have us by more higher NS nations Further more, WE don't have a larger AF, they have us hands down on AF...we have 1,903 AF thats less than 13 planes per nation while they have 1729 which is more than 24 planes per nation, topped with their higher Tech lvls per nation means our AF looses!! Lastly WE WERE CAUGHT OFF GUARD! Doesn't matter if you feel differently or not, facts are facts Yes we did respond fairly quick, but not as quick as we would have had TPF been at our norm. It took a lot of emails and contacting our members to get them to get busy attacking. You are either a noob, or you have no clue on how to figure up odds. Let me also tell you this in case you were unaware, Nations in anarchy can't DOW, which means the 23 nations they put in Anarchy on the blitz lowers our ability to defend and our odds of winning the war. AGAIN TPF is the under dog here. Before you get started about how TPF put 11 of LE nations in anarchy, it wasn't until after those LE nations had already DOW'd ours, so they were already in the defensive position with wars on hand while ours could only fight the nation that had attacked them, AGAIN their odds are higher! Nough said BG.

After looking through the logs and pm's from the past week, checking nations and having a good sense of Oh CRAP! TPF WAS in a relaxed state, we were mostly inactive due to Super Bowl weekend and thinking end round WAR wouldn't start until the 15th or 16th. We were in build mode with most of us have the lowest essentials of WAR to maximize building growth...Simply put we had our pants down and LE took full advantage of this. Good Show LE! With that said, LE has a far higher AVG NS than TPF, 1000+. They also have more nukes, and more nations caring them. TPF started with 20 nations in anarchy from our last war when LE hit, LE had none. On top of that we had around 20- 25 nations with full slots from raiding and defense. WE have 149 nations, subtract our 20 in anarchy that leaves us 129, subtract the 20 nations with full war slots, that leaves us with 109, subtract at least 10 inactive nations, one that has already deleted from inactivity, that leave us with 99 waring TPF nations. TPF = 99 waring nations, LE = at least 70 nation (LE prides its self on active nations) THATS 1.3 nations per LE nation. Take this into count with the blitz, the more nukes, 1000+ higher NS per nation...TPF are the under dogs!! I wanted to point this out because of a post I read from someone about LE have more nukes and more avg NS, but TPF having more nations. Every one knows that a proper blitz is 50% of the war, once thats pulled off the odds of winning the war from the blitzing AA are high. Add that with the AA having more nukes, more AF, higher AVG ns...The odds are very high. So being TPF, and in my opinion one of the best AA's in TE, WE EXCEPT THE UNDER DOG STATUS, and want to thank LE for the war TPF will go heads up with LE in this war with out calling in our Allies. After all its really the only time TPF can get a 1 on 1 with LE because in all the other rounds when TPF blitzed LE, LE's allies (the ones they don't have ) Jumped in against TPF There will be 2 or 3 nations rejoining TPF this round that left to start another AA back up, but thats it. **TD;lr** TPF VS LE and no one jumps in! This war will last the rest of the round GL LE, WAIT you don't need it BG.

lol, stick around long enough and you see some crazy stuff, well said! lol, I find it honorable and amusing, what more could they ask for o/ NSO

You have no clue what your saying here, what you said is in no way the same as he was arguing for...not even on the same page. The way I read what your saying seems to be a round about threat, one I would sincerely tread softly about. GRUB, I agree 100% with what you said, for what its worth I stand with NpO and their decision. I also see no reason why \m/ can't swallow their pride and defate their blown up ego's and surrender to the simplest terms I've seen in some time. I find it funny that the very same people wearing the shoes TPF wore a few weeks ago are now complaining, whining, and throwing temper tantrums...seems its OK to throw stones as long as their the one throwing them, its OK to attack smaller AA's as long as they are the ones attacking, but when the tables are turned there are all kinds of reasons why they have been wronged or what ever they want to call it. I seem to recall posting something weeks ago about this being CN, and sooner or later the same people attacking TPF might just find them selves in the same situation, only difference here is this is actually justified! Next time I think these people should think twice before they are so quick to jump on the lynching team. Just being honest, BG.

Salute to CTA for your relentless efforts to bring down the enemy o/ CTA!! BG.

Congrats on peace! But didn't BW just DoW on RE? BG.

lol, wasn't a hard decision was it....8 of the top 12 sanctioned AA's hitting 2 of the top 12 and a few from page 2 and 3. Yep best decision you ever made, glad it worked out for ya BG.

I lol'd! Sanctions suck, this is true....This is why I only trade full White if all my trade partners are TPF or allies and we own The senate seats. However using sanctions is not new to TE, it has been going around since round 1 and used heavily by certain other AA's still around that I won't mention names. Sadly it is fair, just as the same nations who use a nuke on a non nuke nation and call it fair...its war, right? GO CTA!! BG.

I have to agree with this, if they were true allies they wouldn't of attacked their allies, allies WAPA and TPF go way back to round 1 and developed a strong alliance/partnership rounds 2, 3, and 4. Not sure what happen there, maybe its the change of leadership as the Gov in WAPA SE have stopped playing TE. But back then they were great allies andf would never hit a treaty partner of an ally. First off, TPF never hits our allies treaty partners..in fact we have dumped allies for doing such a thing Take the recent hit on PU from LC, TPF didn't defend LC when MHA threatend to hit them for hitting their treaty partner, PU...even though LC was backing their treaty partner TS. I did however help work out the peace. Secondly, AZTEC could have hit TFK in defense of CTA and all would still be honorable....Instead AZTEC uses some BS reason as to why SE dictates what AZTEC TE does. AZTEC is another TPF ally from way back, way back when AZTEC was hit by the very AA's they think are friends today...Back when AZTEC found it useful to have treaties Now today AZTEC has become a different alliance, and I have no problem with that and could care less. I do however feel that if you agree to a treaty, YOU HONOR that treaty! Owned is a good friend of mine, I have great respect for him...you guys in SE need to stop crossing the two games and let him do his job. I understand where AZTEC is coming from by not wanting to hit WAPA, its the lack of any help from AZTEC that puts a bad tase in my mouth. LOL, your right!!! Its much better to just say out loud that You have no treaties yet just agree to go to war to defend/help a "friendly AA" or to just say we have a close bond but no treaty Yeah we at "Insert AA name" have no treaties with anyone, but if you attack our friends at "insert AA name" or "insert AA name" we will defend them How about; Hey "insert AA name" Even though we have no treaty, how about you join us in rolling "insert AA name" This is absolutely EPIC!! Just about evey AA in TE has a treaty with one AA or another, doesn't matter if its formal or not...IF you attack another AA in defense of your so called friend, or roll another AA to help your so called friend....ITS A TREATY, THEY ARE ALLIES!!! OR you could just keep on typing on your keyboard, but call it a typewriter . Lets remember kids, the same people that you think are your friends today, may just stab you in the back tomorrow if it suits their purpose or their FRIENDS purpose Just tell'n it like it is BG.

Congrats on the merger, o/ OC!! BG.

LOL, I'm so glad to hear you brag about A 100 nation AA fighting over 500!! Way to go, you have not only proven you war skills with your lack of honor, but you've done it with less tact then I've ever seen in my CN history But of course its easy to win when your targets each have three on them and they were in the middle of rebuilding from war not long before, with out any defense or military build up. But you keep on bragging! BG.

Again you let your age show hisk, TAKE OFF THE BIG BOY PANTS, THEY DON'T FIT AND YOUR SHOWING IT! Please TPF has one of the best reps in TE...ask FARK, LE, RD, and even OP now We never go all round with out a war, and we have never asked anyone to join us when hitting an AA. And just a little something for you to stew about, Not you and CDT combined could of taken us before this. Be glad OP was the ones, because they are old TPF, they actually have a bit of a chance BG.

You are as ignorat as you sound Hisk, TPF has never had that many treaties and at the times we did have a lot, MHA was neck and neck with us. for the past 3 rounds we have held a handfull of treaties and last round I dumped all but like 3. Then we have 3 protectorates starting this round and ended up with 2 more. Whats a matter, scared that a few tiny AA's are gonna get you? LMAO! Actually they were asked, read there DoW. And as I said we had half our members slots full of raiding and defense wars. TPF has asked our protectorates to help out in a war that we were out numbered in by 36 nations plus 24 nations in Trouble, with also dealing with more nukes and a blitz from both AA's. AA's we asked for help; OC with 17 members, PS 12 members, OB with 22 member, LC with 22 members...of those AA's combined there is around 50% actually fighting OP. Even with all of that added together they still have us by around 25 nations. So you call your jumping in with another 30 or so nations equaling it out after you had your targets out gunned in every way, peaced out, built for 2 days and then hit TPF...yep thats fair, equal and every thing else you claim Do you even listen to yourself....your clueless! Nough said above. BG.

lol, 1 vs 1! Are you serious? OP had us by around 36 nations and on top of that had the blitz and had us by around 7 nukes. over half of TPF had slots full from raids and or defense....Not what I call a 1 vs 1 unless you mean hitting an alliance like that is 1 vs 1. While you the second biggest bandwagooners of TE hit an AA close to half your size that you not only far out nuke and out number, you also have them in NS, AF, and the blitz......little cowards you are in my book. Don't worry though..... BG.