Burning Glory

[quote name='memoryproblems' timestamp='1291876128' post='2534700'] You talk alot about BS and then you have the nerve to say we recruited off other AAs. Its simply not true, and your a fool for believing it. Do you really think that we'd have any interest in the kind of people who would take up offers like that? Theres a difference between what is [u]true[/u] and what is [u]said.[/u] We consider any nation without an alliance listed as fair game for our recruiting efforts, which we were obviously more successful at then TPC, and if anything, perhaps we sent a few messages to people who added an AA in between the time we wrote them down on our list and the time we messaged them. BG, let me put this simple for you, tW really don't care about TPC, if you've got a bone to chew with us, why don't you try to not suck it up on the battlefield like you have been and actually convince us that your worth our concern. We respect many alliances, however we fear none, so don't come all hot and heavy with your 'you'll make an enemy out of us' speech. [/quote] Let me simplify things for you, obviously your either trying to convince the peeps of planet Steve of your lies or your simply to ignorant to do research by asking your friendly GOV of the real facts. Go a head and check yourself before I check it for you...Yeah I said that! Let me make it clear for you, tw did recruit from other AA's and I have logs and pm's to prove it. Now ask your GOV, then come back here and post other wise so I can make you swallow your words and post my proof. Yeah sure it easy to say we recruited before they changed their aa from none to the actual aa, truth is it happens, and the truth is also you recruited from aa's while they were already changed. for the record, if you checked every nation instead of just pming every new nation with a mass pm, it wouldn't of happened. For the record, TPC has not recruited for 3 rounds, we don't need to and as far as the battle field goes YOUR LOOSING! I'm not bragging and I consider it dishonorable of people who do, however the truth is the truth and your disrespectful mouth needed knocked off your high horse. I'm not asking you or any other tw member to respect us, fear us, or even like us for that matter....We simply care little for you. I'm not saying that all of tw sucks, tw has some good members, in fact I'm fond of several of you guys, Mudfoot, trigger, owens and a few others, I just think its distasteful to continually come to OWF and act like tw is the righteous kill all AA when you bragg/tell lies of how BA you guys are, how you always go up in war, and you never loose. Truth is you've never really attacked any one up, and when you attacked TPC, you needed WAPA to help you...Even though you had the blitz, more nukes, more members. Guess its not fear you had for us, but more of slight tremble CLASH, old buddy...friend. No worries, your time is valuable and I understand you have no time to read my post (even though you probably did). I understand its not easy being you, your high horse sometimes gets restless, the big boy pants keep falling down to your ankles (you should buy a belt) and puffing out your chest takes a lot of energy (plus its kinda hard to breath at times). I can help make it easy on you.....Stop telling the BS that you so effortlessly let flow out of your stink hole (no I'm not talking about your mouth this time). Also take off the bra, I know it helped with making your chest look bigger (especially when you stuffed it) but its really not necessary. Oh yeah, one more thing...Take a break, get a shower (the smell is getting bad) and remember there is life outside of TE. Love you man:wub: BG.

[quote name='Bionic redhead' timestamp='1291639940' post='2531887'] Huzzah, another duckroll rogue attack. It's almost as if they lack the guts to go toe to toe with us. Heck, at least Abyss bothered to make a formal declaration against us. [/quote] lol, I could ask the same about you guys Only difference is you guys have better odds [quote name='Clash' timestamp='1291750411' post='2533108'] That's a DR nation, oh yes it is. This round it appears to be DR's ONLY kind of move [/quote] LOL!!! yeah and you guys never have nuke rouges, nope all you guys do is war up, fight fair, and do not complain....pppt in your dreams big boy! take it like a man, them DR peeps are good peeps! [quote name='Clash' timestamp='1291825712' post='2533949'] Y'know I keep hearing about all the other alliances TPC asked to come in and help them out when we declared on them. Even though it was a very fair war for them across the board. Then I look at our war screens and see how many alliances we are actually fighting, and the rogues and everything else. All that's OK, sure it's the end of round anyways, you can't carry your infra over so why NOT blow it up? That's always been my philosophy anyways. Yet I gotta say it: What a bunch of little weasels over at TPC. There is no bigger bunch of under-declaring curpstomp wanna-bes in all of CN than TPC, and every war they declare is like that. Every war they declare is an easy win with little damage for them, and when faced with a fair one, they cry like an episode of Dr. Phil and beg for help from everyone and anyone they can. I used to run the show over there while BG was inactive. It's the way he wants things. Just saying. [/quote] whoooooow, slow down killer! take off your big boy pants before you swallow a pill you can't handle. First off you never ran the show, and it was your plot to attack OP that I refused to allow thus your 8 yrs old temper tantrum you threw. You don't worry about all the AA's TPC asked to join us. It is none of your concern. However know this, I have spoke to a few AA's but none have been asked to attack tw! Abyss joined on their own far as I know. So now what about your complaints and YOU asking others to jump in to help tw out. go ahead and deny it [img]http://forums.cybernations.net/public/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif[/img] Talk about whining and OWF BS, your the biggest back wards complainer and back stabber there ever was in TE, you hide behind the" they did this" and "they have that" BS, then in the same breath you say "but thats how TE goes", and "thats my philosophy"," blow some pixels up"," infra huggers", "casualties are cool" BS!!! Your just as bad as the people you complain about, do the same thing you complain about and contradict every word that flows from that stink hole you call a mouth. You can say what ever you want about me, but watch your step when you talk BS about my guys and brothers in arms. you will create an enemy faster than you take a breath to shout out more BS. tw is only as big as you are this round because you guys recruited from all the other aa's except LE, I know cause you almost had a curb stomp at you door TPC was asked to partake in...I refused. wonder how the other aa's of TE would feel if they found out you recruited from their members, yeah I for got your in a boat, up on the high horse or walking around with those big boy pants shouting out you high and mighty alliance is tough and to good for all of us. Chew on that for a bit, I'm just getting started.... BG.

[quote name='Clash' timestamp='1291451624' post='2529873'] Oh I don't think it's quite that bad. See this part down here: Y'see, tW is mostly attacking TPC and our little nations are hitting a few Tetridian and Fark. However: Has anyone seen the Kiwis recently? In probably the round's biggest down-declare not all that long ago, TPC beat the crap out of them. The Kiwis and Fark are actually a fairly decent match-up with the exception of the one big nation the Kiwis have, and he's fighting TPC. Fark is ranked just above TFK, and their NS are just about the same - especially minus that one big nation. I'm calling that a pretty even match-up. Everyone just chill and have some fun [/quote] Yeah you got that right, 99% of tw are attacking TPC of course we all know you you couldn't handle TPC had you actually done what your post actually stated and attacked other AA's You needed WAPA which are good fighters and from what I can tell have over half their members attacking TPC....Seems to me this was more a tw/WAPA fight against TPC. Truth is you guys had over 20 more nations than us, more nukes, more nuke carring/capable nations, and the blitz. We had a higher AVG nation strength, thats it. everyone knows 75% of the war is the blitz, very few AA's can over turn a blitz, luckly TPC even lacking some of its feirce fighters and count of our normal fighters is capable of pulling it off. Of course Abyss had a helping hand in this, thanks Abyss! Everyone has different opinions as to whats fair, right or wrong, and everyone see's things different when they are on the blitzing side just as they do when they are blitzed. So you think thats fair, wonder how you would have reacted had it been reverse? I know tw has some of the best fighters in TE, they are old TPF/TPC so they have the fighting spirit and kill at will blood but you know as well as I do tw had no chance against TPC thus you asking WAPA to jump in, I understand...just don't act all high and mighty, king of TE and all and go around saying TPC down sizes wars. PLEASE, you of all people know better than this and yeah our wars speak for them self, the true war stats not the CLASH war stats. I also noticed 2 other things, one: you never mentioned our wars where we went way up either in numbers or nuke count and NS, 2 : I noticed you have never attacked an alliance with equal waring skills like LE or TPC (until now with help). Why is this? So forgive me if I don't fall for your high and mighty BS, fighting RE (even though they have greatly improved) is not the same as fighting LE, TPC or OP, etc. And you think we down sized when we attaked TFD/TK? they had more nukes than you state, more nations, and close to the same AVG NS as we did, plus we had just got out of a war not real long before that with LE. Let me also say that evryone else was just out of a war with in 2 weeks or currently in a war, we picked the highest aa's we could, trying not to hit any AA's who had even been in a war, plus TFD are a tough alliance man for man. TFD are also friends of TPC who were nice enough to honor us with a war, thanks TFD!!! Get off your damn high horse, take the biscute out of your mouth and man up! [quote name='Clash' timestamp='1291481788' post='2530035'] Totally taken out of context, and I wasn't talking solely about score either. Three alliances declared on three alliances - Fark isn't fighting us all alone. Again: Have you looked at the Kiwis recently. They are in almost as bad of shape as Fark. The Kiwis are far from fresh. That DOES matter. Subtract their one huge nation that has all of their nukes and is over twice as big as the next biggest TFK nation - and there's not much difference at all between them and Fark, across the board. Here are the total stats from around noon server time yesterday: Kiwis 55 nations, 79774ns, 1450avg, 5 nukes, 1 nuclear nation, 1 4000+ nation Warriors 73 nations, 182063ns, 2500avg, 54 nukes, 9 nuclear nations, 12 4000+ nations WAPA 20 nations, 68870ns, 3400avg, 4 nukes, 2 nuclear nations, 9 4000+ nations Tot 148 nations, 330707ns, 2234avg, 63 nukes, 12 nuclear nation, 22 4000+ nations TPC 67 nations, 238500ns, 3560avg, 53 nukes, 14 nuclear nations, 24 4000+ nations TF 23 nations, 36910ns, 1605avg, 1 nukes, 1 nuclear nation, 0 4000+ nations Fark 56 nations, 73515ns, 1313avg, 0 nukes, 0 nuclear nations, 0 4000+ nations Tot 146 nations, 348925ns, 2390avg, 54 nukes, 15 nuclear nations, 24 4000+ nations The numbers were more slanted towards TPC as you went higher up the NS scale. They have 8 nations over 6000ns - combined we had 4. We try to pick wars that are as even (or up-declares) as we can get them across all those involved. I think we do a better job of it far more so than most alliances - and that would include yours. Let's look at some typical TPC war stats. Here's what they had from the earlier [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=94827&view=findpost&p=2517162"]war against the Kiwis and TFD:[/url] TPC - Total NS - 199,767, Member Count - 66, ANS - 3,026, Nuke Count: 10 TPC nations over 4000: 23 TFK & TFD - Total NS - 165,120, Member Count - 64, ANS - 2,580, Nuke Count: 14 Kiwis nations over 4000: 2 TFD nations over 4000: 5 Here's the stats from [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=93278&view=findpost&p=2479678"]TPC's final war of last round against SF[/url]: SF: 56 nations 34 active 106,237 total ns 1,897 avg ns TPC: 93 nations 69 active 189,025 total ns 2,033 avg ns I think the comparison of wars speaks for itself. Now can we have just one thread without whining? Everyone have fun out there [/quote] Oh boy, typical Clash...... See above statment, and please get me started on your war stats...please do. Also "8 nations over 6000 combined we had 4" Seriously? dude, this is not only BS but even if it were true you had more nukes and more nuke carring nations enabling you to put more of our nations in nuke anarchy and do more damage. Plus you had double the nations in the 5000 range and several more nations in the 3 and 4 k range. This is way better than having nations out of range of the 3000 and smaller range. I rather have 10 4000 NS nations than 10 6000 NS nations. Its the middle guys who have the better range of attacks, and its the middle range who contributes more to a war....believe that! BG. [quote name='Confusion' timestamp='1291482022' post='2530037'] Stats: WAPA/Warriors/TFK Member Count: 149 Nation Strength: 340,014 ANS: 2,281 FARK/TF/TPC Member Count: 145 Nation Strength: 349, 529 ANS: 2,410 Those stats are from before the blitz - somewhat. Anyways, then I ask myself, Why couldn't Warriors just gone against TPC alone? (Note: I'm not saying this war is unfair etc.) I have a feeling TPC will prevail. o/ TPC Confusion. [/quote] These stats are more like the real stats yeah TPC will stand strong! Good job Confusion, thanks! BG. [quote name='dogbite' timestamp='1291495912' post='2530202'] You would have been wise to just hit TPC. Think you might be over your heads. [/quote] They are just hitting TPC, but yeah they are in over their heads lol! BG.

I happin to know those PP guys real well, good fighters there GL guys! BG.

[quote name='bcortell' timestamp='1291676284' post='2532402'] Sorry, guess it wasn't clear. YOU was arcticllama: [url="http://tournament.cybernations.net/search_wars.asp?search=1000060&Extended=1"]http://tournament.cy...0060&Extended=1[/url] He declared a war for his AA, yet didn't even bother attacking anyone. [/quote] The game will not let you attack while you are in anarchy, Arct is in anarchy Welcome to the fight RD!! BG.

[quote name='Son of Taeper' timestamp='1285583671' post='2465929'] With respect, LE were hardly going to know they were ghost and asking for a list of TPC ghosts may have given the game away The target list was re-written at the last moment and I would imagine some names would have to be omited. How many times have any of us tech raided a none nation only to find they just swapped out to a major alliance? All nations that were on the list that I was given were targets regardless of color. To be honest, I hid all info that was irrelevant to what I was doing with it. This can be proven by looking at the TPC nations that are NOT on blue but have been hit by LE. (I think TPC still has 10 on Black and 1 on Aqua. It would be interesting to know where the other guys went. True, TPC have never run from a fight which may be a reason they were targeted. On the nuke issue, I wasn't counting them (on either side). I was aware of them and requested they be dealt with. Avg ns was also not a priority for what I was doing on the sheet. I had a list of targets that had to be taken down. Individual ns I did take into account but only recall the (assumed) TPC guys at the top were going to be a big problem as we didn't have enough guys to kill them off. I wasn't aware anyone had left, I was working to the provided list. Ah, OB. It would have been nice to have known TPC were going to lose some guys and that OB would jump in. In fact, it would have just been nice to know OB would jump in. I'm sure some LE were aware they might, but they were not on the list unfortunately or we might see a lot more of them in A. They currently have 59 members (sure that was higher when OB declared ) and 18 in A (19 if we include the incoming guy that I just saw to A ). 59 x 3 = 177 war slots and as the attacking nation that is the figure I would prefer to use. The new guy that just joined may not have been taken into your calcs and any guys that left since war started may not either. Problem is, like our battle sheet, it's very hard to keep track of last minute stuff. Another current figure I have on OB is 57 members which equates to 171 available slots so I'm a little confused myself. Most respect to you BG, just trying to clarify that it looked very fair when we started and that I for one do not have a problem with OB jumping in. On a sidenote, I did see a request from a TPC member for Duckroll to jump in on TPC side. It would be interesting to see how that turned out as it would make the membership count 210 v 77 (about 3 on 1) and 37 v 42 nukes [/quote] My actual referance was not how many nation were in OB but the number of nations that actually DOW'd on LE as of my post date and time....I counted every war that OB had offensively against LE thus the 29 slots...I just rounded it up to 30 with each nation having 3 attacking slots making it a possible 90 as per my quote in my post. I actually had no idea that OB was going to jump in and had the war been fair, as in close in NS and nuke count, I'm sure they would have stayed out. Fact is even since the war started we lost 9 nations due to 25 days of inactivity, of those 9, 4 were really good fighting TPC members "Hero of times" being one of them. With that said there are or were close to 25 other nations that were over 4 or 5 days inactive..again due to school. and another 10 or so that is 8 + days inactive. I'm sure it might of looked fairly close prior to the ghost leaving, they gave us over 35 nukes but even with them you still had us by 800 AVG NS and 20 nukes, after they left we really droped....they real disappointing thing is that even if only have of what i'm stating was true,and with the knowledge that LE had of the ghost leaving, you guys could have picked another battle.....Moot point i guess The nations that are active are taking out some of LE's best or at the very least bringing them down with them For the record and as far as I know, the one TPC nation requested that 2 nations help not all of DR. Anyway, Your honor and a several of LE's memebrs are never questioned by me or doubted.....our 2 alliances have much incommon that way. However, like my self bad decisions are made.No disrespect but, this war was a bad judgement call especially since there are 2 or 3 other AA's of matched ability. BG.

[quote name='Son of Taeper' timestamp='1285398745' post='2464098'] As Janitor says, the list went through a process and was being tweeked for a few days. The list was handed over for final verification about 12 hours before update which gave about 10 hours to finalize. That list had most of our top guys fighting over their heads but obviously had to be changed it at the last moment. Just as well it was changed in a hurry as the original list gave no provision to defend against raiders and we are in a much better position to do that now. Talking of which, can anyone point me to the OB DoW? I thought I was being raided to start with but we appear to have a 63 nation alliance on our back in addition to the 109 TPC guys we hit. [/quote] Well here's the low down....All the nukes TPC was holding were by ghost and most of our top 20 were ghost. When they left all but like five nukes left with them as well as our AVG NS dropped. In reality had they been on the target list to start, war protocol would dictate that they be hit anyway as the attacking nation would/should have no idea that they are not leaving to build for the war. They were all black nations....WE are blue. It is very odd that they left (they as in every single ghost we had on black) they day of LE's plans to attack TPC. I'm not pointing fingers but the odds of this being a coincidence is very high, so It would appear that someone has some inside info. TPC has never ran from a fight, and we don't mind being the under dog but if you guys at 54 nukes to 5 and an AVG NS being over 1200 higher than ours, its a bit hard to swallow that after the ghost left you still felt us just as good of or equal of a fight as say PS or another AA that held over 20 nukes. Far as OB, well only 29 of there possible 90 + war slots have gone to attacking LE and as per my post the first time your guys attacked us TPC has a lot of nations in college and as this round happens to be coinsiding with the start up of school, our 109 nations are more like 70. TPC is just not as active as we normally are under these circumstances. [quote name='Thomasj_tx' timestamp='1285439385' post='2464406'] Let's take a look at your premise: - LE had orders to not use nukes on TPC. - Infinite Citadel was watching the war declarations (but not fighting his existing wars), constantly refreshing to see if there were any declarations from any other alliances. - After numerous refreshes, detected a declaration by hawkeyee at exactly 12:00:25 AM (not 12:00:26 or :27) - Made the decision to go against LE orders and launch a nuke - Switched from the war declarations screen to his war screen - Select his target, select launch a nuke, and launch it All in a matter of 6 seconds or less. As I said, that guy has near super human reflexes. I tip my hat to him. [/quote] lol, go figure [quote name='Son of Taeper' timestamp='1285451029' post='2464580'] I figured a round or two back that some guys like fun on my account. You need to speak to Red Baron on the nuke Q but a lot of TPC nuke did go missing as if by magic. I think LE are looking into the matter. [/quote] problem solved ^^^^^^ BG

[quote name='SoADarthCyfe6' timestamp='1284044782' post='2447665'] I could say the same for yourself, however, I had no plans on winning any GA's it was for another reason. If you would like, I could focus everything towards your nation. Only if you want me too. The fact is that you guys are cowards, you quaded, had multiple nations attack, and you never even posted a formal DoW, pretty low imo. Should probably get yourself off the high horse there, if we had done the same thing you did, you would have been screwed. Your not that big of an alliance to be talking smack like that. [/quote] Well this is TE, Dow's are hit or miss here....Some post some don't, some post after the fact and some post about 5-10 min before. There really is no set rules BG.

Congrats RB/Janitor and GL with the rest of the round! BG.

Catch'ya around Carp, hope to see you back in a few rounds...GL ADUDE!!!!! BG.

Congrats on peace guys, O/ to both alliances. BG. PS* I'm sure TSF will be along shortly

[quote name='Son of Taeper' timestamp='1283715515' post='2442877'] I believe the last warning I had was last round. I had troops to kill but the guy turtled. He had zero troops so I couldn't GA, and I had zero cash and zero tech so I couldn't air or GA. I had sent peace countless times but the guy was asleep. The crazy thing was that I got the warning about 2 hours before the war was due to expire. I don't recall seeing a game update on slot filling but it does seem crazy that one can get a warning for rule violation when there is nothing one can do about it [/quote] Thats because the admin is cracking down on you rebels, lol Really though it is hard keep this from happening when the guy turtles even if you have cash and the ability to keep attacking. When someone turtles on me, half the time I just stop attacking because its a bore to hit someone not fighting back especially when it just cost me cash for troops and tanks when i get nothing in return...No cash or very little and no tech means me not wasting my time and money to kill something/someone already dead. However every now and then I just feel the blood lust and destroy...destroy!....Destroy!!!! muhaaaaaa BG. PS* GREAT WAR LE, definitely one to remember

Congrats on peace guys! BG.

[quote name='Ferrie' timestamp='1283391158' post='2438736'] K, let me get this straight.... The tl:dr is that this is a very fair war. If you really break it down, its not a fair war, though. But other than that, its pretty fair. expected. [/quote] Yeah, um, well...no you missed the whole point. Over all its not a fair war, the war between TPC and LE is fair. There the whole TL:DR as quick and as simple as I can make it. Wait...What? [quote name='Son of Taeper' timestamp='1283439586' post='2439155'] Snip** **Snip The whole post is well worth a read to anyone that never read it as some of the bits I cut out had me ROFLOA I'm sure BG would not take offense that I cut a few bits out for clarification. Truth is, from my days in LE Cadet, 5 good troops is better than 100 bad troops. That said, LE war with PS a few rounds back showed that it can be turned around with co-ordination and numbers .... (no disrespect to PS there) I never brought a nation in that was not prepared to fight and I never willingly subjected our recruits to that threat. The NS never mattered, it was always about getting more fighters in, and letting them enjoy the game, but only fighters regardless of NS. I would be happy to fight alongside any LE member and expect they trust me enough to know we have each others back. Edit -King James XVIII seems to have a good attitude to TE, we appear to have missed him on recruitment [/quote] lol, exactly and any one who knows war will agree with us on that. And like you, I would and will always find it an honor to fight along side any TPC nation. Fact is, 90% of why I play this game is because of my guys and I'd gladly drop my nation to 0 infra to help anyone of them. This is part of the reason TPC and LE are so ferrice. BG.

[quote name='Son of Taeper' timestamp='1283435488' post='2439116'] I shouldn't do commentary after last round but in the absence of a commentator...... TPC appear to have some very nice counters. Co-ordination in the main was superb from my viewpoint. The sleeping giant has been awoken! [/quote] Thanks SoT, for who we have active were doing ok.....a bunch of our normal active peeps has stressed that with the start up of college they are unable to do the update attack and some are not even waring at all. This makes it hard for coordinating attacks with the ones who are active,lol. you guys use the same tactics we do, well except for the sanction part...So it's nice to see how my active guys are doing against similar tactics. I will say that of all the times we have fought against each other and together, this is LE's best and your coordination and planning not only shows, it paid off. Salute to that! I'm very anxious to see the end war results:D BG.

GL to both of you! BG.

[quote name='Clash' timestamp='1283369965' post='2438419'] Well, not really, but thanks. Neither tW nor PS were going to attack you due to our wub for you; LE had no such reservations, of course. War is fun! The three alliances all agree on that, as do the Kiwis. I hope you're having as much fun as the rest of us are, you should be thanking LE for their gift of war. They are good fellows that way! Have you looked at the nation numbers across the current alliance wars? Fisher posted the wars' start stats. The attackers have over a hundred fewer nations overall, and had over 150,000 less ns. In the PS thread they debate on declaring down or declaring up; meaning are you attacking someone significantly weaker than you or someone significantly stronger than you. Every alliance war declared, was declaring up. It's not like this was some cowardly bunch of curb stomps - it's the exact opposite. There is ONLY honor and integrity in that. All the attacking alliances have this in common: They find it more fun to kill infra than to hug it. [/quote] Hey no complaints here, it is what it is and I in no way since this war begun said it wasn't fair, nor complained. However since you guys at TW were the first to bring up this up, I'll enlighten you.... first up; TPC vs LE (and it is only that because they didn't even really hit MXCA) We out number them by 37 nations at the start of the war, the blitz more than made up for the offset on nations, however they had over a 1000 more tech than us and a higher AVG NS. I STILL CONSIDER THIS A FAIR WAR because even though they had the blitz and the higher AVG NS, the war will last 7-8 days and its the long haul that numbers make a difference, not by much but hopefully enough You guys hitting OB was in my opinion going down, they had you guys by like 12 or so nations but you had them on every level above that....The BLITZ, Experience, AVG NS, Military etc... AND RE!!! God love'em..they are under new leadership this round, are always full of the most noobs playing TE, and probably holds the most inactive nations as well. Also I mean no disrespect to RE, but they just don't have the skill- WAR'n that alliances such as TPC, LE, PS, and TW has. With that said its their numbers that make the so called higher NS on our side and why the stats would probably do better if broken down to actual AA vs AA. I mean being that RE holds the highest total NS and the most members, I don't see their nations unable to hit the opposing sides nation jumping over to hit the few LE and TW nations they can hit....Again another reason the stats should be broken up. *note* Fisher did a good job in what he did and I'm sure it took some time. Heck I wouldn't even know where to start with something like this, its just that as a whole the odds/stats are not accurate. Look at it like this; would it be better to have a 100 nations at 500 NS each giving you 50,000 total NS or better to have 50 nations at 1000 NS....Anyone who picks the 100 option should not be playing TE. So you see probably 50% or close to it of RE is not even able to war due to not having enough NS to declare on the higher NS of PS and crew. Besides, I feel sorry for any alliance that had to war with PS But I guess if your still set on the WAR as a whole being fair, you wouldn't mind wearing their shoes... Anyway, I'm not saying that your wub didn't show, I mean what would it look like if I was to try and beat the crap out of my brother, its much easier to slap his friend around...After all he's scrony and built like a girl:ehm: See TPC wouldn't of jumped in on any plot to hurt TW, no matter what the reason is. So when I talk honor and integrity, its not about a direct slap to the face, its more about the kind of feeling you get when your hung over real bad throwing up in the toilet, lifting your head just long enough to catch your best friend steeling your CD's Yeah, its like that [quote name='memory problems' timestamp='1283372889' post='2438465'] Now now, its not like the warriors don't like TPC, nor do we choose our wars out of malice or in an attempt to beat somebody down. All we wanted was to see a whole bunch of the upper tier of alliances beating the hell out of each other, is that so much to ask? Back-stabbing? it was all worked out to give the other side the upper hand as far as nations and strength goes. I can't comment on the other parties, but the Warriors mainly attacked OB because they were a decent bit larger then us and we're always looking for a new challenge. [/quote] Read above reply.....Aslo note; TW is not a bad bunch, after all most of them are from TPF/TPC and I know the decision to have fun and blow some shiat up gets the better of us WAR'n folks. Its just not cool the way it went down and as I said TPC don't roll like that. BG.

[quote name='Clash' timestamp='1283354553' post='2438232'] I would declare this a violation of 212 of our 371 treaties with TPC, except that it supports 237 of our 348 treaties with LE. So really it all evens itself out in the end. [/quote] Ah no worries, its fun and amusing in a back stabbing sorta way...After all it is just a game, and why should games hold any honor or integrity. Guess you had to break loose some time but we still wub you guys BG.

So the first stats at 6 pm was before the initial blitz at 12:00 am game time (where you would have bulked up at 11:45 pm), and the next set of stats is the very day of the war....So the major stats of the war will actually be shown at 6:00 pm tonight (equaling day 2) and every day there after at 6:00 pm as it will reflect our first night of a retaliation and so forth. The coming days will be interesting, several of our nation were inactive as we were not expecting a war this soon and with the start up of college it was expected. I think 80 % has checked in and are firing up the kill machine The blitz was pretty good, and TPC was defiantly caught off guard o/ to LE for that. However TPC are very effective about recovering and fighting our way out of the hole, hopefully our college nations will have all checked there nations by day 3 GL LE! BG. PS* Your attack/blitz on MCXA sucked, lol!! But we all know 99.9% of your attacks were focused on TPC anyway

[quote name='Fisher X' timestamp='1283266814' post='2437064'] Sorry, BG, this one didn't have anything to do with your catbag. LE actually started preparing for lucky round 13 about 3 months ago. We brought back many of the old guard to merge with the newer LE members. You should see some familiar older faces. I missed a meeting...and was named Round Leader. About two days prior to this round, I started to put out feelers to AAs we have found to match our fighting style. Knowing we would be larger this round, we couldn't side with TPC because, together, we'd be too large. So, we asked to fight you, because we know we'd get a great fight. Oh, we had some early round raiding issues with MCXA, so we decided they could be your ally! I look forward to your response at update. Keep your members from wasting their attacks solo and early, will ya? Salute! Fish PS. No whining about sanctions, but you know me, you might want to get off Team Black [/quote] Yeah this should be fun, the only real difference from the old days is that a part of TPF/TPC isn't playing this round and another part left to start The Warriors. We did take on some new peeps as well, this will be good training for' em Far as the sanctions...well, I don't agree with them on a fair fight. But it hurts some of your guys as well, just not as bad :/ [quote name='Son of Taeper' timestamp='1283272514' post='2437143'] I had meant to skip this round but as Fish points out, it has been a good few months in the pipeline and it was a chance to meet up with some of our original members (not to mention war), so I kind of got sucked in. TPC had every measure of build rate to hand as would be expected, some very nice zooms that may have caught a few of our newer members out as well It will be interesting to see the stats in a few days time when TPC has had a chance to re-group. [/quote] Yeah, this will set us both back a bit ...lets see what happens GL! BG.

MMMM, I smell TECH!! Can't wait to get some of that Good job guys, had you waited one more day TPC would have made the infra jump and bulked up.....Hey wait, did someone let the cat out of the bag? Congrats on the blitz LE, Now its our turn See yoo on the battle field! BG.

[quote name='Varianz' timestamp='1283220266' post='2436455'] ZOMG THE TREATIES ARE TAKING OVER! Seriously? [i]Seriously?[/i] "Like we need more treaties in TE"? I can count on one hand the number of existing treaties in TE- not using all the fingers on that hand either mind you. Good God. Edit: Congrats to you two by the way. [/quote] I lol'd! As anyone who's played TE for a while knows, OB and TPF/TPC have been allies since day one....Way back when there were treaties galore BG.

Thanks to every one for the reply...however as you can see we have a few re-petes....I'm try to get 2 TC's going so that all of you can get worked in. WE really need trades with iron, marble and something on the list. This would help greatly BG.

lol, this is going to end well....Congrats to starting the round off right!! BG.

Welcome back and ah...well....no hard feelings if i raid you guys BG.