Burning Glory

Lol, society, movement, same difference :) BG

Wow, this was unexpected! I mean this early is what I'm saying... Nice blitz indeed, should be interesting on how this turns out :) Not to mention this is a good test to see how NM does. BTW, does anyone have pre stats on this? GL to both sides Sorry to hear that Kurd, hope things are well with RL! BG

I haven't checked yet but has anyone made a request to ADMIN yet about not being able to spy until day 7? I know it was mentioned earlier in the thread but I forgot about it until now. Also read my last post, I don't think anyone believes you guys had anything to do with WD forum attacks. This is just a tatic DT is using to derail the topic and throw suspicion off her. BG

We are not the only alliance, just the only alliance that has voiced our OPINION....And yet again I have to say, "we don't think Misfits are behind this, ONLY YOU! AGAIN, this is just an opinion, one based upon facts at hand, and your previous hostilities towards TA. Had this been substantiated, we wouldn't even be here having this conversation, your war slots would have been filled! I don't assume you talk to many people on IRC, and I don't claim to talk to anyone you talk to as I would never throw this person under the bus like you do, however I'm not going to say I don't talk to they same people you do either, which is more than 2. What I will say is that I know for a fact that you have not only bashed TA on IRC, but have also plotted against them! Now deny that! Let me ask you, how do you know TPC thinks avengers spied them? Also how do you know WD thinks TA sabotage their forums? You only talk to 2 people....or did you mean 2 people in each channel? You are such a frigging lier! Oh wait this might be you speaking for everyone else again! Let me tell you this, and the only reason I'm saying it is because I know for a fact it's true and I don't think Dog would get mad at me for saying it.....TPC, had their forums attacked too, 2 rounds ago. I guess TPC thinks TA did that too, I'm guessing I should ask you because you know all. Before you make another absurd statement let me tell you I also had a friend that plays another simulation game tell me that their forums were hacked as well. So now I'm guessing TA is just going around hacking forums in various games. My bet is its just somebody (really immature, and stupid) with nothing better to do than cause problems, most likely nothing to do with any player/s in the game. Of course this is just my OPINION, I could be wrong, just like I'm probably wrong about you planting a dirty spy operative in your alliance to screw with TA, then catching the fact they got caught (because everyone knows you check the spy page every hour) then quickly booting them out with in 20 min of the exposed operation. *wink, wink* One more thing, you know what a guilty person always does, they hide behind the innocent (like you constantly do with Misfits) and they try to throw blam on others to cast doubt on them selves. So far, you have implicated TA for screwing them selves just to have a reason to attack you and/or the Misfits, and TDO (which honestly made me laugh) then since you don't want to make other enemies you state someone planted that rouge nation in Misfits just to cause problems between Misfits and TA. You know what an innocent person does, they stick to one story, the truth.....none of which has ever come out of your mouth! Your turn BG

Ha, I will if you will ;) But I'm so glad you chimed in, since I believe you had everything to do with the Spy attacks, and even several of your IRC friends think so as well. I realize unlike yourself, just because me and many others think your behind it, doesn't make it true, but the evidence and your comments suggest you are and at the very least you know who. Sure go a head and make what ever ridiculous statements, back pedal and spin it to look otherwise, doesn't change a thing! That's the kind of person Ez/Tim is, no doubt about it! Far more a better person than you. Maybe next time your bashing TA you'll keep that in mind, and you'll find that if you bothered to take the time TA is full of good peeps! I will say at least you were descent enough to at least understand why they acted as they did. I don't act like Misfits is in the wrong, they are not! What I act like and said vigorously is that KB should have kept this private and gone though other leadership if he felt like DD was not being reasonable. I also stated that this was escalated because of these actions. So now let me say this again, Misfits as a whole have done nothing wrong Char/Ed and the others have nothing to do with things that have happened. However you, and KB, well I've already stated your place in all this. "None of my business" Are you serious? The very second this was posted on OWF, it not only became my business but everyone's business! Now its everyone's right to respond in this or not, but it is certainly now their and my business! I'll say it one more time, this should have been delt with behind closed doors like most everyone else does. Also I don't dislike Misfits, Ed is a good guy and so are the other misfits I have had the pleasure of waring with, heck I don't even dislike KB, I think he is exactly as Das described him here: http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/126525-the-avengers-needs-some-binkies/ I don't hate you, but I do dislike you and your omnipotent attitude and think you need to grow up. Your turn I don't think they do anymore, and definitely not Misfits as a whole, that's just not your style Ed :) BG

Ha, that's not true, you asked Caz for that and he gave you the day after. I copied the stats, and I will post them for you ;) Well KB, you have to look at things in the right presentation....You see, every time you post things on OWF, (things that don't belong here) you invite the opinions of everyone rather you agree or not. So you ask do I think that sounds like an honorable leader? Sure I do, one that knows you personally and would never expect you to stoop that low ( DD's point of view as he messaged you) Was he angry, no doubt! Should he have been, definitely! Did he have a right to be, absolutely! Again, and please try to keep this in mind....with all the evidence presented (Das spelled it out) all fingers pointed to you guys. Now throw in the way you acted towards TA last round, and you siding with DT with every ridiculous post she makes, well I believe anyone in that same situation would think you had something to do with it, including yourself if roles were reversed. I seem to remember you getting ticked off last round when there was a misunderstanding about peace from misfits and AoW, one that I myself tried very hard to get you to understand what happened, all you did was scream and complain, cuss and holler, telling me it was BS, then you spied Fiji with dirty ops right before the war ended. So you can't tell me you would not have acted to same way. Let me point out exactly what I mean since you think I appear to be dumb as a rock, do you think that DD or anyone in TA would have reacted the same way towards AoW or FF, heck lets even say RE or NDO, had the spying come from one of our nations? No way! Why do you think that is? Yeah you can say AoW and FF are friends of TA so they know we would never allow that, but RE or NDO? Let me tell you why I believe not, they don't nor have they ever wished Ill will towards them, they don't come on OWF and bash them, and they have never tried to plott against them, all the qualities you and DT have done. Just saying, if your standing next to a car with a baseball bat and someone calls the cops about a busted out window, your going to jail, period. Re read through my message, I never said anything about who reacted harshly nor did I try to convince you otherwise. Let me also stress again, I don't think you had anything to do with them, and at this point I doubt even TA does. However this doesn't excuse your actions here in OWF, and I'll bet that instead of doing your same old routine you always do if you would had put as much energy into proving your point of innocence and being a little more sympathetic to what TA had happen to them, DD would have eventually cooled down and probably gave you the benefit of the doubt (my opinion). "It never mattered what I said, DD never believed me" at first probably not, would he have, you will never know as coming on here made everything way worse than it had to be. Besides that, DD is not the only leader in TA, you could have and should have keep this private and gone to one of them if you felt DD could not be reasoned with. Hopefully you can understand simple reasoning here and see my point of view, or at the very least keep this in private channels next time. BG

And there you have it, exactly what I'm talking about....your last post was in my eyes some sort of apology for maybe not reacting quickly to handle the situation, very understandable!! However now you again post stuff that is not needed, stuff that is and should be between you and him, and you honestly feel he shouldn't be pissed? In all honesty you know you handled things wrong, not just the lack of reacting quickly, but the disrespectful way you reacted, and accusations you made just made it all the more bad! Let me give you an example, last round a FF nation was raided by a TA nation. When I logged on DD had already handled it on his side. He even apologized for the mishap (yeah DT, you do as a form of respect and display of no ill will from the act apologize even though you directly had no control over what happened, it's what a good leader does). So why did he do this? Was it because he knew that I would have had a defense counter the raid (I would have). NO, he did so out of respect for me and the fact that he truely didn't condone this raid. Do you see the difference on how you handle things? Yes I know you guys know each other in RL. All the more reason I think you owed him a bit more respect than say even me or anyone else for that matter. I've know DD a long time, I have never seen him act irresponsibly or lash out. I think the anger he displays toward you is a direct result of how you handled this situation. Had he not been provoked, I'm quite certain this wouldn't have escalated to this point. KB, an apology goes a long way, not just for your actions but also the actions of those under you. It doesn't even matter who's right or who's wrong, it's the empathy that makes the difference.....trust me, I'm married :P I'm not picking sides, I'm simply try to look at it from both sides and state my feelings on it with hopes that it helps. BTW, I'm going to post the stats I have on the last war we had that you feel was so awful Once you see them I'm sure you will change your mind....na, maybe not :P BG

I know where your coming from with RL KB, I've been in your shoes so I can sympathize with you on that one, it really sucks and I wish you the best with that! I think the problem is how you went about things after the spy ops on TA, especially making accusations against DD. As I said I don't believe you had anything to do with the DIRTY spy ops, but you have to admit in all honesty the way you acted last round and the other facts pointed out by Das really seem plausible....even you would think so! Here you are speaking for every alliance leader again, when are you going to learn you don't speak for anyone but your self! I'll have you know several alliance leaders came to me last round asking for something, rather it be help, about war, or just about doing trades or treaties. Who TF cares!! Same goes for this round....I see no reason at all why people can't ask for help or anything else for that matter. You think I wouldn't ask for help if I was in TA's shoes last round, I would! To be honest I salut TA for taking the help and being the only alliance that could take the hit they did and keep on rolling. BG

lol, Caz I'm a busy man, I have a big alliance to run now :P Hia Sheppard, glad to see your more active this round...even joining the fourms :) Didn't you say you were going to join me this round or am I dreaming :P Thanks, and GL to you guys as well!! BG

This is the lowest of low! Anyone that would stoop to this kind of game play deserves to be ZI'd all round! I'm actually stunned, I can't even believe that anyone would do this regardless of their feelings toward someone. With that said, DT and KB, your accusation that TA did this just to have a reason to roll you guys is the most stupid comment I have heard come from either of you. As Das and DD said, TA needs no reason to attack you guys, and to screw their own nations just to do so....REALLY? In all honesty, and I'm talking reason for reason I would have to agree with TA here, the reasons Das stated make perfect sense. I really doubt anyone would disagree with his points and even you can't deny that. To me 2 + 2 will always equal 4 so I can't blame them for suspecting you guys for being responsible. You have to admit, you guys are the biggest haters of TA out of everyone. Do I think KB had anything to do with this, NO....But KB the way you handle things is not that of a leader IMO. I don't mean that bad although I know you will take offense to it. To add, the statements on here do not help your situation. Do I think DT had something to do with it, I most certainly do! You see DT, I happen to know a few of the same people you know and I'm told you had plans to take down TA this round. I also know your character, you spy on alliances, you post other peoples PM's, you start trouble, and you are the biggest hater of TA than anyone and tell more lies and BS then anyone I have ever seen. So much so that I think you actually believe what you say, even though that doesn't make it true. Do I know for sure who did this, NO! Unlike DT I wont spray BS and flat out lie saying DT's the culprit. I'll just state my OPINION, DT make all sense. I had hoped that this round could be different, that somehow we could make this a fun round, I guess that's not going to happen. I sincerely hope these dirty spy ops stop, and this whole thing can be sweep aside. Just a little FYI, you want to piss off a DOG.....RATTLE his cage! BG

Thanks! We look forward to a fun round :) BG

I agree, 5 days would be great!! BG

I have to agree with DT on this....especially the military wonder part. However lowering the nuke requirements that much would be a bad idea, I believe the whole reason the requirements changed was 1 to make it so everyone could obtain them, and 2 to make it harder for nuke rouges to just start a nation for that purpose. My thought would be to raise the infra lvl to 2500 and even 250 tech but to lower the 10 mil cost of the MP to 5 mil. The extra 5 mil would go towards building to the raised requirements, and I saw plenty of noobs last round reach those markers. If you really want to help the noobs, give them a peace mode. It could be a max of 5 days on with 10 days off or something like that. Maybe only allow them that option after a war, for like 10 days to help rebuild. The other real big problem is the 50% attack margins, to many times I see nuke nations or 1000 + higher infra nations attacking nations that may have more tech or planes or navy or combination of all. Then once the DoW is done, the nation with more infra buys more planes etc. I say lower the margin to 25% to help keep things a bit more fair. A 2000 infra nation attacking a 1500 infra nation vs a 1000 infra nations is a much better fight. BG

Who in FF is an ex-D1 member? "What are these same points i keep raising" are you seriously asking this? Every post you make is always about the Avengers and/or their underhand tatics, flag running, down declares or what ever else "YOU FEEL" is wrong. You have even managed to bring AoW and FF into your incorrect ramblings. Posting things about how we support or do the bidings of TA to help achieve their goals. DT, for the last time, you are wrong! As much as I know you would like to believe this is true, it simply is not! What is true, We do our own thing, AoW and FF have friends in TA, yes.....However we also have friends In many of the other alliances as well. You even heard from KB himself that he and I started this round off as friends. In all honesty, I have rarely talked to any of my friends in TA or TPC for that matter. Definitely not as much as I'd like to. You are simply wrong in your accusations that we are doing the bidings of TA. I'll give you a pat on the back though for finially admitting that you post this nonsense based on your beliefs and theories. One of the few true statments you've posted. BG

Apparently even someone who doesn't have a dog in the race cares. DT, look at the war boards, we all are attacking everyone as well. FOR THE LAST TIME, you don't get to attack who ever you want, including nations that are in their own wars and not expect to get added to the list.If D1 had stuck to their own plans and not attacked messing up our plans, they would not have been added to the list. I did take into consideration that they were attacking other alliances, thus why I didn't swap targets around keeping OP on our side. Let me try to put this as simple and easy as I can so that you can understand it. Everything I did with this war was as fair and unbiased as I could make it. I don't care what you think, I have nothing to prove to you, you mean nothing this round. As stated, you have no dog in the race. Let me point out to you, TA and TPC have held to their own targets with out involving our group, thus why our our group are not including them. Also note that there are a few alliances not on the list or even really being attacked. Why? Because they are not and was not attacking anyone the last time I made the list. Also your comment about KB stating he did not give approval, see my previous post....it still Stands! On top of that,his last post sums it up for you even clearer, and even Char knows we talked and understand what and why it happened. I also did NOT put all on the same side, OP is not on our side, and I really wanted a chance to fight beside them. Far as me spitting in anyone's face, that's your input not theirs. I believe everyone knows my standing on fairness and understands this is end round. BUT ITS JUST LIKE YOU TO SPEAK FOR EVERYONE ELSE! And you call me biased :\ FINALLY, get this through your head, you are not better than anyone and you don't control anything! You are not the judge and no one elected you to police TE. You are however a broken record spouting out the same shiat post after post, destroying every thread you post in. No one really cares for what you say and most think your an idiot for how you post and destroy them. I will not respond to your temper tantrums, ramblings, and baby BS about this anymore....it's obvious I'm wrong in your eyes no matter what I say. Believe what you want I also could care less if you have a spy in my alliance, long as that nation fights when it's fighting time :) Bring your guns, you can't shoot.....there are not shadows in the dark.....no one cares to see you,I'm not even looking Your a bug on the ground, I'm the shoe that squashes you and scrapes you on the curb. BG

There is no defense DT, I've already told you your opinion doesn't matter as you are irrelevant with no real nation to speak of. I really don't care what you have to say about anything and I don't have to prove anything to you. The ignorance that radiates around you and flows out of your mouth is unbelievable. To show just how biased and ignorant you are, listen up.... You speak as if there were several alliances that didn't want any part of this yet were added anyway. D1 was the only alliance that declined.... Misfits, IE. KB never declined but only made a statement back to me that stated because of the war (with us) he doubts he would be able do any grand waring. Char, said he was open. Now ask both of them....I can even post the messages if they don't mind. Now, being as D1 was attacking nations in our group, they were added. You can't on one hand say we have our own plans yet attack us anyway and not have a counter. There it is, your complete argument and utter nonsense. The very essences of your stupidity and constant ramblings Of things you have no claim in or any business being butthurt about. Stop with your delusional thoughts that you are the TE judge and investigator, you are not anything but a worthless voice that needs to STFU and mind you own. Lastly, had I cared if it were made public I would have messaged every leader with only their targets not the entire list. You see, I know that each leader would have posted the full list (as I did) in the announcement For everyone to see and pic targets. I know you have spies and thus it would have got back to you, and knowing you and the constant BS you run your mouth about you would have posted it on OWF,lol. What you don't know is that the message you posted is one of three templates I used, and I only sent that out to 2 people, and posted it in my alliance announcement. Reason I did this is because I wanted to see how it would get back to you and expose your spy. The only thing you didn't do which I was hoping on is post the time the message went out. So The spy is either in my alliance ;) or in the other 2 alliances. Trust me, you have helped out far more than you know. Please keep thinking your superior over everyone and for the love of the game starts a real nation next round so you actually can pretend that you have a reason to cry about everything that goes on that you do not sanction or goes your way. Awesome, last round Dogbite told me he had killed like 1000 infra with one nuke at some point. Thus the reason I wanted A WRC and bought 1500 tech....right before I fire nukes I'll probably buy up to 2000 or more tech :) Wait a minute KB, that is a contradiction to the post you made a few back. Let me quote you, "This literally keeps everyone busy except TPC and Avengers?". so which is it? I'm trying very hard to understand you, you always seem to be pissed about something, and complain. Have I not been cool with you? Did I not start out this round on some level of friendship with you? Was i not honorable with you prior to the wars beginning and even though I know you gave copies of my PM's to others (I'll not give names) have I not been friendly and treated you with respect. Come on, you know you guys had no intention to just sit there and let the end go by with out attacking anyone....most probably FF or AoW. It's end round, it's nothing personal, have fun! BG

Now it's ironic that you say this as you and DT are the ones that say TA are flag runners, Yet above you say you are flag runner hunter, and yet here you are asking me to hit them. ;) BG

LMAO....Well you screwed up this round then, you just hit the flag blockers :P I'm so relieved that KB the great was fooled and our frightened flag runners went undetected! Lol, your killing me KB BG

Lol, you don't buy 1500 tech and all the war wonders i have along with a WRC to flag run ;) Truth is, I thought the war was on hold (for inside reasons) but I must have misunderstood so I was left with out attacks. Since I'm way bigger than any nation left and I obviously wasn't going To attack Misfits cause your not our Targets and I really didn't want to hear complaints from you. I figured I'd wait for a victim to hit me, and we'll what do you know....a gift :) Now I don't feel so bad and no one can complain when I attack! FTR FF and TA are not working together, it does make me laugh you think so. And incase you haven't checked TPC and Avengers are attacking each other and everyone else. Seriously though, thank you for the hit on me :) BG

First off DT, I don't have to explain anything to you, you don't even count this round. Besides that, I already know it doesn't matter what I say, you will have a problem with it. I will however out of respect for KB since I did added him into this, say this; I originally had sides that consisted of OP and FF against WD (komplex can confirm That). I also had AoW and Citidal paired to attack, and so on.... The problem was I did not hear back from Komplex, and in fact did not hear back from Alex. This posed a problem, so in order to keep things from being held up i rearranged the target list. I tried hard to keep this as fair as I could and spent the better part of the morning working things around. The current list is the best I could come up with in the time I had with my current situation in RL. Contrary to DT beliefs this had nothing to do with helping TA get a stupid flag! Truth be known I was a bit disappointed that certain alliances didn't participate in this war, I honestly thought this would be a good time and a chance for certain alliances to fight as partners instead of against each other. I honestly could care less about the flag, although I will say it would be nice to have a FF flag. With all that said, it is end round and as I said I kept it as fair as possible....yes I included alliances that didn't answer me back, and ones that declined but those same alliances had members attacking members of our waring group (except Misfits didn't) so yes I did add them in It. I added Misfits to keep things fair, and per my last message with KB and Char I was under the impression that Misfits were not apposed. Again as per my last post, there is nothing personal about this war, Targets and allies have been changed a total of 3 times because of lack of communication and to accommodate fairness. @ DT, I didn't assign Targets against TA and TPC because both replied back that they were already waring and it was actually against each other. Also our group Are the underdogs in these wars. Had you asked or anyone for that matter I would have gave the target list out via here. Now keep your mouth shut about matters that again you know nothing about or have a reason to speak. BG

OK, Targets have been handed out! I hope everyone enjoys this war, and remember it's just for fun, nothing personal towards anyone or any alliances. All please be respectful and honorable as I know you are :) Also, as this is end round war and building afterwards is not an option, everything is fair game! Thanks to everyone who joined this! Enjoy! BG

I originally had things typed up but I'm out of town right now. I can't get what I typed up here to post right and it's taking to long to manually re-type things all over. So I'm working on a easier War plan. I'm thinking War will have to wait till tomorrow nights update. BG

Well its end of round anyway and you guys would have to hit someone so why not just stick through it. Current: Allianc.......Member...... AV........ nukes RE.......... 18........ 14,72....... 133 FF............15........ 19,49....... 119 OP............12.........30,48....... 162 AoW...........14........ 14,48........ 84 NDO 10 17,052 66 FIST 9 22,024 82 SKARO 6 19,840 49 Edit* for some reason my lay out is not working out here.

I'm very Sorry I wasn't able to get things set up before now,I've had some RL issues come up. I was also waiting on people to get back with me. Update, so far alliances in; TA OP FF AoW RE FIST NDO Skaro Waiting to hear from WD leader or anyone who can give word to join this, and a decision from Citidal and Misfits. D1 said they are doing their own thing. Also I just found out that part of TPC and D1 attacked a few of TA. I wasn't even thinking about the battle for flags when set this up but I believe my understanding that Anyone in TPC and TA not involved in that will join this war, maybe D1 will agree to this to. I will set up teams by mid day tomorrow (to give the remaining AA's a chance, and see how the flag wars play out). Then you have you choice of rather to attack at update tomorrow or Sunday. Thank you for joining This! BG

As the Round draws nearer to an END, again its time for one last war. Its time to lay it all out and show what you got!! A few weeks ago I came up with a END round WAR plan that would be the biggest played or done in a long time. I've talked with several alliances/leaders that all seemed to be on board, and I'm sure you will be too! Basically its a simple but very effective way to destroy pix and should be easy enough to keep it fair ;) Details; Side A VS Side B.......War starts on either the 28th or the 29th at update (you vote when) If your interested, please post here and lets start getting sides together :) I think this is also a good time for alliances that war'd against each other to war beside each other. I want to make this as fair as possible, and remember you cant take it with you! Thanks! BG