Burning Glory

Yeah, between you and Das this pretty much sums it up! KB, I'm sorry you feel this way about TDO....Your are of course In titled to your own opinion. But I will say that if in your eyes we have taken that title away from TA, then I guess that's a good thing, right? I looked back through your so called "rogue" war screen and I see no where at all that he was in TDO. I also looked through our round 35 roster and he has not been in TDO all round, so I'm not sure where you would get that he was ever in TDO. Last round we were FF and AoW so you can't even say that he was here last round. Anyway as stated, my understanding is that you instigated theses attacks by your actions and/or messages/post. BG

Lol, your on a roll Caz! And agreed ;) KB, what TDO rogue have you delt with as I see none in your war screens? To my knowledge, and forgive me if I'm wrong, but the rogue you are dealing with is a result of your own doing. Again, that's just what I've been told so if not please fill me in. BG

LMAO! That was a good one :) GL to everyone! BG

Ok, you got my attention.....NO really ;) GL with your WAR's BG

Sorry I'm a little late, Work hours and holiday weekend just kept me busy :) Anyway, I think it was pretty close, at least for who is left to war with anyway. misfits has really only war'd once this round, and has had more time to build than any other alliance. Honestly did look to close to the stats, but from the quick glance and this being end round, I say just have fun! GL with the war on both sides! BG

KJ, you should know I don't roll like that. Check his war screens, he is definitely one of ours and actually a Leader. Times may have changed, as well as the people in TE, but I have not. This should be interesting..... GL with your wars! BG

Let me answer that for you....TJack lied on multipal occasions, he was very disrespectful to all TDO who tried to get the peace he lied about wanting. He tried to get several alliances to attack TDO, using names and everything. This action would have caused Any alliance to attack IREC as a whole, especially the alliance's he named, but SP is honorable. He also saw through Tjack's BS and escalation of matters. I would attack him to if he would have posted the stuff he did. My opinion is the matter is closed, and I support IREC actions as its truely between them and TJack. BG

Looks like what I said all along was true, AW is just a run off of D1. So you have what looks to be spy slot filling from D1 and KaBoom, and now 2 of AW top nations and leaders jump over to D1 to fight a war already in progress. The same exact thing that DT did in our war with D1. I wouldn't expect D1 to allow this as the stats were very close, D1 even having a bit better odds and no one could complain. However, it looks like D1 masked them into the alliance so I'm guessing that they must condone this. I could just imagine the shiat storm that specific people would spray all over this post if this would have been TA doing this! Like I always said, and proof yet again, what's good for some people and alliances is not for others! I don't think TA will ever get a fair shake at things no matter how hard they try to make things fair! BG

It was a vengeance war, you even admitted as much in several topics.....although you didn't use the term vengeance.Your way around that was to phrase it instead of using a single word to describe said war. In case you have forgotten I can go copy and paste several of your statements of how this was giving back to them what they do every round. So yeah, it was a vengeance war. Even with out you stating as much in various post about payback, it's obvious that's what it was. I am glad that you all but admitted this was a bloc formed to stop TA from building. So I guess this is going to happen every Round?

I see no double standards here, no, not at all from your side, RIGHT? It's ok for Jack to raid, and at that alliances smaller and nations smaller, all that can't defend them selves..... but when One of TDO nations attack him (probably in defense of a friend of one of those Jack raided) Jack wants to cry on OWF! Then his reaction to this "instead of coming to a member of GOV" is to attack a member of GOV and 2 other nations? Then when it was set for peace, All start sending it except JACK, who does peace out the nations that can hurt him, then he does one more round of attacks on TG and DL, INCLUDING block aids. Then sends peace to DL and not TG waiting to see what DL does....Well of course he is going to attack after he sends peace as ordered then gets hit again, then peace. No one would do that, NO ONE!!!!! So now, MT has to jump in to see that it gets handled for sure this time, and what does Jack do???, cries more on OWF, and keeps attacking TG. This brings us to the next in line "double standards", all is good for JACK to attack other innocent TDO people, but when "WE" give that back and hit one of you guys in hopes that you see we can play that game too, what do you guys do???? Come on OWF and cry yet again how we are being unfair, then talk that we have double standards. So who has double standards here?? Your answer instead of saying to Jack, "stop Jack this is escalating beyond control" is to pull the same stunt he pulled that caused all of this in the first place.....BAD move! Next Jack goes and says he is having 3 alliances roll TDO, even names some names of who....BAD move! It's as simple as this; Raiding happens, as even Jack said, it's part of the game! Every nation out there knows it's a gamble that the raided nation may fight back. Chance you take right? No one would have said anything if JACK would have fought back against that raid, we would not have even known that was going on. But what you don't do is after your raided attack several other innocent nations in that alliance thinking your doing good, then come cry on OWF thinking your going to keep your nation from getting countered. There is no alliance out there that would stand for that, not D1, not misfits, not WD, TA, TDO, Cit,RE, OP, NLoN, NO ONE!!!!!! In my opinion, Jack has done nothing but cry and act like a baby for doing the very same thing he is guilty of many times over! But even worse, he has caused this whole thing to escalate way further than need be. BG

Very good point BL, as I happen to know Misfits is trading with D1, and Some D1 members are trading with AW.

There is a difference between throwing in an alliance to bolster numbers for a vengeance war, just barley out of the 7 days Free zone as to hitting the only alliances not mixed up in all the BS caused from that said war....Shy of Misfits, but they just war'd so I'm sure someone would disagree there. I admit I haven't had time to look at everything, but it looks like OP has the top end of Citadel with Skaro filling in a bit, and NM filling in the bottom half of Citadel. Not to mention OP has serious skills on the battle field so from that stand point it seems like a legit war to me. GL to all, should be an interesting war. BG

Could you post proof that this nation trades with TDO? BG

Because I stick up for what I feel is wrong, I got my head stuck up their rear? Oh so then I guess when I stuck up for NDO (which everyone knew that was a bad down declare)I had my rear stuck up their rear too? Well I guess the same could be said about you then with D1 and more specifically DT. While I'm not sure if you were paired with Skaro or not, I'm sure you didn't like it! And I'm very sure you did complain! That's what you do, complain! When Misfits and D1 attacked AoW and FF last round, you complained about loosing even though you guys had the advantages. Later when AoW and FF attacked Misfits and RE, you complained. which brings me to my second point.....You cried about who you were paired with, stating that RE was crappy fighters. And probably the reason you didn't use them as a reference instead of Skaro (which I haven't seen since my return) is because you just got done waring with them, and I've pointed out that you guys had the advantages. And since you want so bad for me to do so, I'll point out a few; first, you have already publicly admitted RE can't fight. That's showes you picked them as an easy target. Second, most of them are not very good builders (except for mitten, staccs and gigs) While you have already stated you've out build everyone in TDO.Third, they have already been at war with NM through half of the first part of the round, having their building screwed up because of those raids and attacks on them. Fourth, you attacked them with Full WC, while most of them had less than 8 mil. Fifth, you guys had the ability, and did have more MP and capability of more nukes than they had.(which was what, one nation) Sixth, you had more tech, more AF, more navel, and a higher avg NS than them. I could go on about how many nations you had In what lvl of nation strength than they had but the point is taken, although I'm 100% sure you'll excuse most of this, which will lead me to posting proof and screen shots, so I'll wait and spend my time on that. WHAT THE HELL do you mean act all HOT, now that Misfits used all their resources? Are you saying that you were ever any kind of a threat but now your not because you war'd RE? Let me tell you something, that's never been the case! And if I wanted to hit Misfits I'd have done it way before now.....Not that if I did it now it would be a "scum move" as the way I see it, you war'd and we have war'd. Just be glad that you have a few good peeps and a good co-leader in your alliance, and that I'm trying to change things up and not constantly war the same people round after round. WHERE the hell did you come up with OP and Misfits from???? Like is that a bait, lol? OP and TDO are friends, much like I did for you (before you back stabbed me with D1) I would have went to Komplex and asked him if he felt like a friendly war either with or against us. I'm straight up when it comes to friends, and I don't just attack them unlike you did with D1 on FF. I don't war TPC,Citidal, or anyone else that are friends, unless I go to them first and ask......YOU got the same thing when FF was friends with Misfits. Lastly, you have not out built everyone in TDO! Yes maybe most, and yes me but then again let's look at the bigger picture here. Before TDO started war prepping we had most of the top 10 slots, you were not even on the second page. Then we started buying Tech planes, navy, MP's, nukes, and then we war'd.....I alone with nukes, MP and all spent around 50 mil for that war. Wonder where TDO would be right now had we not gone to war. My 50 mil would have made that 40 mil I just collected way better. Also come up with your own signature, that ones taken already ;) YOUR TURN ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Signature BG

That's not a spin, cold hard facts! Problems is your pseudologia and can't keep up with what you say. And yeah, I should listen to my friends, but not for my sake ;) I'm not the one who needs the muzzle. So now I can add "your high class" status,better than me and all the regulars of TE to your resume. But yeah, your probably right, the people you hang with has made TE what it is today.....80% fewer numbers, Hypocricy, drama, blocs, and it just keeps getting worse every round! You and your "high class friends" should be so proud of yourselves! Your less than the pile of shiat I just scraped off my shoe, and I pretty much think everybody sees that! On a brighter note, I just saved a ton of money on my car insurance ;) BG

You most certainly did say it and I can go copy and paste your statement....oh wait you just admitted you did in your second line of BS. It also doesn't matter if it's the first time or not, it only takes one time, a plot, conspiring and mutual agreement to form a block. Guess what, that's exactly what happened! So much so that I heard nothing but bragging from several people about the scheme you guys pulled off. I act like you represent them? No girl, your the one who is constantly making comments and statements in a manner that would not only suggest that you represent them but are even some sort of GOV or even leadership of them.....that's on you! Need some proof? TDO and avengers are in a bloc? Lol, that's almost as funny as you saying you don't represent D1 and or WD after countless statements that would suggest otherwise. You can say what ever you like about us in TDO and TA, that doesn't make it true. In fact stating something that everyone in TE knows better than just makes you look like an idiot. Lastly, if you could step back and listen to just how ignorant you sound, I'm almost certain you'd shut your mouth.....nah, but let me help; So let me get this straight....The all knowing, all seeing, keeping track of everyone, omnipotent DT, can now see who everyone Votes for? Wow, I mean, just WOW!!!! This is remarkable. I'd actually put this down on your resume. I'd love nothing more than to go back through various post and statements (like I've done before) and show proof of how you contradict yourself, make biased judgments, commit hypocritical actions and statements, but I really don't have the time and I keep getting messages in various alliance, including my own that say don't feed the blank, blank! And they are right, it's hard to prove a point to an adolescent girl. Funny thing is, it's kinda like working out and a hot girl starts doing bends right in front of you. You know you shouldn't look, and you try to find something else to take your attention, but you just can't resist. I mean why is she wearing those yoga pants anyway :P BG

Are you sure he was in TA last round? I distinctly remember seeing him in D1 :/ Wait a minute, it might have been TPC. Either way I'm sure your incorrect.....unless you have proof? Personally, I think it's all one big conspiracy to world domination. Yeah that's right! Pretty soon there will be clones apon clones, all in different alliances. I remember not long ago you said that there were TA nations in TDO. I'm thinking this might be worse than we all feared and I for one am so glad your using your precious time to keep track of who is who, and when they were what, and how they got there after leaving what they were, before becoming what they didn't use to be, only to decide they no longer want to be what they were before they decided to become what they are now, only to get caught red handed by you, being what they started out being before you were you, keeping track of who they were then, and now that they are who they might be for the rest of the round ;) Oh boy it's just all so confusing, thank you, thank you DT for being the all knowing seeing all, spying, all police of TE if even only elected by your self. Could you pleas prepare us a speech? BTW, I'm very certain that if anyone wanted to elude your superior Intellect, and keen eye for the obvious....they'd just change their names, just saying :) BG

This^^^^^s correct. Although in her defense I'm thinking this might of been the first round for her. I actually thought this matter was handled already, Hope you resolve it though! At this point I agree :) Also it is very honorable to come on OWF to achieve peace.

Come on, really? Says the guy who's posted several crappy statements in our War Dec, about TDO! I think Misfits in general are ok peeps, but "YOUR" assessment of Misfits and TDO are just that of your opinion. I have had countless messages from people that said,"Thank You" for putting things right again (summarized), and few of those messages came from TA. So I'm guessing there are more people that agree that we stood up against a bloc who IMO represented tyranny and havoc. You see many remember the days prior to TA when other alliances like D1 and WD did exactly what they cried about TA was doing. Some have even said that once they got a taste of their own medicine, they couldn't handle it. I don't know for sure what happened in my 2-3 year break but apparently things were no better prior to TA. Someone who is not biased and actually stands for fun, even, and competitive wars such as you claim, should be happy to see TDO step up and put a stop to an unjust retaliation and Vendetta against TA. We would have done the same for just about every alliance in the game.This ruined the start of the round, and more than likely even the next few rounds. I mean where does it end? You think WD and D1 are not thinking vengeance? Hear DT tell it, yes they are.....she even made as much of a statement that it would be next round that we see the retaliation against us for standing up for what we believed was right. So what follows after that? TDO is just suppose to sit and take it, a bloc on us? Hell no,I can tell you that for sure! Something else I can say is, I didn't come in here running my mouth about how much of crappy war this is with RE, like you did in our DoW.....and trust me I can point out some really good points to support this. No in fact, I pretty much have bent over backwards to keep from doing just that and even as much to change things up and not war you guys yet again. I have no problem taking criticism and neither does TDO, but your accusation of TDO being the most disrespected in TE is just your opinion and maybe a few others who are butt hurt about the fact we stopped a destructive force in TE that is most certainly ruining not only the game but also forums and the morality of most people that play it! It is just a game, sometimes you lose, sometimes you win, sometimes you do both. The point being is to try and get better, and make some new friends along the way. If nothing else, keep it fun and have good sportsmanship or say nothing at all. BG

I know just about every letter that went to you, "none" we're complaints. All were messages that basically said your only hurting your self and others waring with you. Shame really that every spy op you did dirty, I we did one as well as nukes. But that's ok as per your message back to me, so we'll, ok :) BG

That would be BL, not sure how he missed you if you were on page 1 other than like I said 8 of us were/are inactive due to this time being exam time in college and other reasons. More than likely, whom ever had you was one or 2 of those people. As far as the, "spied nuke" part, well that's really got me stumped :/ Sot and BL usually patrol the spy attacks, but BL has been working as of late so maybe you just slipped through. Funny stuff happens sometimes in war, and the target list was put together literally about 15-20 minutes before we posted it and attacked. Really wish you had said something prior, could have at least made it more fun for you. :) BG

That could be because you hit all inactive nations but one and that one nation, "Jessica" was fight 4 other nations along with you. So know one reported that you needed attacked. Not to mention it was a 48 nation to an actual 21 nation war. But I do appreciate you pointing this out "after the war ended" other wise I would have sent some people to fill your war slots for you. I'll make note of this though and be sure that next time I can accommodate you :P Thank you BG

I saw you guys peaking your head out, glad your picking up members! GL with the new alliance, and with the rest of the round. BG

I also agree 100 % when you can't do anything about it, this just makes it frustrating. Also @ Sigrun, I gave some thought about what you said and I think that if you just wanted to know Intel on a nation, then on day seven it could be done. 99% of the time you want I for is for war anyways. So the reason it all should wait till day 7 is because unlike SE there is no Peace option here. BG

Thanks CB, I appreciate your comments and we at TDO wish D1 and WD luck with the rest of the round! I'm done posting in here, what's said is said and done is done, what is, what is, yada, yada, yada:) BG