Cortath

[quote name='citizenkane' timestamp='1285418315' post='2464220'] What you're actually saying here, is that if anyone wants to come to red and hit GOONS, we will allow that. You don't own the red sphere, but you do have a majority control of the red sphere. [/quote] I think you misunderstand what a "rogue" is. The prototypical rogue was probably born sometime in 2006. They wanted to leave the game. They had nukes. They declared war on Emperor Ivan Moldavi of the New Pacific Order. They nuked him. We retaliated. The nation was ZIed and then ceased to exist. You might note that Moldavi still has zero infrastructure to this day. ([url=http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=308533]link[/url]). A "rogue" is not a nation, who in, say, responding to offensive spy attacks, warns GOONS of continuing such actions, and then attack GOONS. That is not a rogue. That is a nation responding to offensive military actions against them. A "rogue" is not a nation, who upon being raided by an alliance, responds with nuclear weapons. The concept of a "rogue" is not "a singular nation doing something I do not like," but rather, "a singular nation doing something for no discernible political reason (i.e. !#$%s and giggles)." A "rogue" is not "a small alliance with a clear political objective that is in opposition to my own," but rather "a singular nation who has discarded any pretense of engaging in politics on the world stage and wishes to engage in actions with the end goal of their nation no longer existing." To others: The idea that the Red Dawn is "aiding" Methrage is quite preposterous. If we were aiding Methrage, you would not be seeing tens of nuclear weapons flying your way, but thousands. You would not be beset by two nations, but by hundreds. Count your blessings, comrade, for we are not "aiding" Methrage. That we are not interceding on your behalf against him is not "aid" but "inaction." Aid requires an overt act, which we have declined to perform. Also, let me say that all this faux outrage amuses me quite a bit. GOONS is an alliance of hundreds of nations. Methrage is in an alliance of two nations. The thought that GOONS is either so weak or Methrage so strong as to earn so much bloviating on the matter from GOONS would almost make a more cynical man think there's a political agenda somewhere.

The New Pacific Order does not own the Red Sphere. Once upon a time, we would have said that we do, but those days are long gone. The New Pacific Order signed a treaty, called the Red Dawn Treaty, that requires coordination and unified policy on matters of trades, economic interactions and the Senate of the Red Sphere. A Senate sharing policy was put in place. Beefspari, of GOONS, contacted the New Pacific Order through one of my officers regarding this sanction. Red Dawn deliberated, and we decided not to grant the sanction. I contacted Beefspari when Beefspari left a message for me to contact them through one of my Imperial Officers. The conversation between Beefspari and myself demonstrates that Beefspari still believes that the NPO owns the Red Sphere. We do not. We share the Red Sphere with a multiplicity of alliances, most of whom have unified their policies on matters such as the Senate through the Red Dawn treaty. While Beefspari repeatedly attempts to elicit my personal and my alliance's views on matters, those views are irrelevant. The New Pacific Order's views on rogues and sanctioning are the views of Red Dawn, and the views of Red Dawn have been most adequately stated privately to the relevant parties and publicly in this thread.

Comrade Cortath does not work at a DMV/RMV type thing.

I congratulate our friends in GATO and hope that their new government offers wise counsel to their people.

If only one of the most well-regarded Marxist theorists had written something about Fascism, eh? Something that explained what Fascism is, and how to fight it? I echo comrade Vladimir's sentiments that this preview of your analysis seems to be woefully lacking in a perspective that had a unique take on the rise of fascism and indeed, spilled quite a bit of ink (and more of their blood) figuring it out.

You mistake the purpose of reparations. The purpose of reparations in the modern age is not to enrich the victor but destroy the loser. If you increase the amount of aid the loser can send to the winner by a factor of X, then the winner will demand more reps by a factor of X. The purpose is to gain blood and treasure of your enemy but to maintain your enemy in a subservient position for as long as possible while weakening them.

[quote name='magicninja' timestamp='1283309849' post='2437813'] Oh I'm sorry. Dear Pacifica, I really don't like you. I offer this olive branch in a sarcastic way and hope that you place it somewhere uncomfortable and painful for yourself and amusing to me. I hope that indicates to you my level of dislike for you and certainly understand that the feeling is mutual. Warm regards, magicninja [/quote] Dear magicninja, You are not a government. Play with olives branches when you are a government. Until then, do not purport to speak for your government. If you wish, please join us for tea. -Pacifica

[quote name='SirWilliam' timestamp='1283220964' post='2436466'] I, for one, look forward to possible implementation of policy to minimize raids on red (or on any other sphere for that matter). [/quote] I agree with those sentiments and admire that you managed to say it with a straight face. *chuckles*

Thank you everyone, for the kinds words. The celebration continues in Pacifica!

It's a bit of a peculiar poll. If it's just supposed to be militaries who have fought in 2010, the poll options need to be pared down. If the question, "Who in the year 2010 appears to be the best militarily?" then the poll is okay, I suppose.

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1283015206' post='2433926'] You can't change the actions of your past, that's right. The main question here though is if you still had the power to kill would you continue doing it. I don't know the answer to that question and being honest no one does except for Pacifica. Once again I was only saying there is no way you can point to the lack of forcefully disbanded alliances, viceroys, and other atrocities as a claim that Pacifica is now good. Why would you request I stop and then continue the conversation? [/quote] Firstly, since this is my first post in the thread, let me extend the congratulations and the warmest regards of a thankful people to the Dean of the Body Republic for this Triannual Report. Now, Mr. Assembly Chairman: I don't particularly know why you seek to insult the New Pacific Order in a thread commemorating the August Revolution, the day of the founding of the New Pacific Order. Were you there? Did we hurt you then? Does this event somehow have meaning for you? Does it have meaning for your people? No. No. No. No. I have the deepest respect for the Global Alliance Treaty Organization, Mr. Chairman, which is why I will take great pains to direct my comments towards you, the person of the Assembly Chairman, rather than that Office or your Alliance. Stop speaking. Please. You will really help your alliance if you retreat to your inner office like a good lame duck Assembly Chairman, and stop talking publicly. I can't imagine you're running for Assembly Chairman, and if you are, you would lose. I have great faith in the wisdom of your people. So, in the interests of equity of your people and mine, why don't you stop acting as if we're some mortal enemies, and actually act as if we were allies not a few weeks ago who held a deep and mutual respect for each other, borne of out of years of conflict and reconciliation? I believe that would be in my people's interests and yours. You may disagree. I suspect you will. And indeed, it is your right to such disagreements and even to act on those disagreements, and according to my understanding of your government, you can continue to bloviate with the power of your office until your successor is sworn in. And that is all right and good. But I'd kindly ask you not to. Good day.

*chuckles* [center][img]http://graptor.net/images/npoimperial.png[/img][/center] [b][size=8]His Imperial Majesty's Most Gracious Speech to the Body Republic of the Order[/size][/b] Delivered on Friday, this 28th Day of August, in the 2010th Year of Our Lord before the Assembled BODY REPUBLIC on the 6th Anniversary of the August Revolution. My Imperial Officers, and Members of the Body Republic - Comrades all: Seven years ago, before this Planet was born, a greater movement sprung from the despotic corpse of [i]the[/i] Pacific. And behold from within the corpse that Francos Spain slew was a young, vibrant people with a revolutionary spirit, whose cause and calling would cause empires to fall and new worlds, like this one, to tremble. The ideals of Francos Spain were sung by the greatest poets of the day, and Pacificans, controlling [i]the[/i] Pacific for the first time in history, beat back the tides of foreigners and created a State based on their ideals. We are the heirs to that State. Francoism means many things and teaches us many things, but it also teaches us that we are not Gods. We are not perfect, and though in striving to better ourselves we may touch the face of perfection it is not something we can ever grasp, for we're human. And as humans, we have made mistakes. However, whereas the last time an Emperor addressed the Body Republic we were well reminded of our some of our past mistakes, for strongly we felt the burdens of reparations and the chains of slavery that our Karma conquerors had put upon us, today we are reminded that not only are we human in our mistakes, but also human in our victories. For as some lesser men may have crumbled, we have thrived. Whereas some may have forsook our right to power, we have stood tall again on the world stage. And whereas some may had repeated mistakes whose lessons were not learned, we have steered clear of all evil and built ourselves a new empire of peace, strength, and prosperity. My fellow Pacificans, the tasks before us for this year: [list][*]First: The People's Government will close all non-essential offices between the August Revolution and the Day of Order for the Feast of Pacific Revolution. The next five days are to be devoted to the celebration of our people, our accomplishment, and to carry out various changes in the People's Government. [*]The People's Government will continue the great task of restoring our technology to our nations and lessening the gap between us and others. [*]The People's Government will continue to provide for the dissemination of our great Culture, our great Ideas and our Literature, Art and Media. [*]The People's Government will further hone our great war machine to deal with all eventualities: battles against both weak and strong enemies. We will possess more military wonders than any other alliance in the world. [*]The People's Government will continue to build the Red Sphere into a secure and economically prosperous region through multilateral agreements such as the Red Dawn Treaty, and we will resolve the terrorist threat to the Sphere. [*]The People's Government will treat with civility all peoples and all alliances, and we will offer an olive branch to any peoples who come to us in sincerity, but will be prepared to drop that branch and clench an iron fist against any who may oppose us. [*]My Regent looks forward to hosting the Fantabulous Ball to open the Feast of the Pacific Revolution. [*]Other measures may be laid before you[/list] The Revolution is far from over; that only ends when the Order ends itself. Let us remember the words of Francos Spain: peace, strength, and prosperity. Let there be peace upon any people who wish peace with us. Let there be strength in arms and strength of moral character to see what is right and do what is right unto Pacific and the world over. Let there be prosperity among our people, such that we may defend ourselves against those who wish us evil and defend our friends who wish us good. My Officers and Members of the Body Republic: Hail the Body Republic! I pray that the blessing of Almighty Admin may rest upon your counsels. [i]Emperor Blackbird New Pacific Order Comrades Chuckles[/i] [hr] [url=http://radio.pacificorder.net/commercials/Revolution2010.mp3]Click to listen to the speech![/url]

Do these arguments every grow a bit tiresome for you? How long much we continue to hear as justification for every act that "the Continuum did worse?" Do you think this tendency will lessen in another few months? At the 2 year anniversary of the Continuum being gone? 3 years? I admit curiosity.

At the end of the day, it's all matters of scale. Three years, you could have a great war, and rebuild to pre-war levels in days and weeks. Two years ago, you could have a great war, and rebuild to pre-war levels to weeks and months. A year ago, you could have a great war, and rebuild to pre-war levels in months and years. See a pattern? A newbie has zero chance of creating a nation that can compete with the big boys the way this game scales. The game's economic system was never designed with the idea that nations would spend years building up, and though wonders and other high-infra goodies have been added, the foundations of the economic system are still one where perhaps at best only a couple thousand infrastructure were ever contemplated.

[quote name='Penkala' timestamp='1282593650' post='2428031'] Doesn't change a thing. The treaty was useless. Neither of you would defend the other if the odds were bad. [/quote] Our treaty did not have a defense clause.

I don't understand why people would spy to get OPSEC information. Most actionable military intelligence can be collected through traditional methods.

[url=http://pacificorder.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=108766]The wisdom of the New Pacific Order Academy[/url] shall again be sung.

This poll strikes me as biased against us mono-alliance members.

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1282181345' post='2422355'] I think Banksy said it best on our boards: edit: (ooc: I am going out now, so I won't reply to anything you say in response until later.) [/quote] You really think that we think that we can gain some sort of ... foothold with some alliances through our alliance through GATO? *chuckles* We held a treaty with GATO since April 2009 because we valued our relationship with the Global Alliance Treaty Organization.

[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1282178629' post='2422295'] Amen, brother. [/quote] *chuckles heartily* Was my word taken as the gospel truth in the ODN lately?

[quote name='magicninja' timestamp='1282175161' post='2422214'] "Hey come to our turf where you will be outnumbered and we'll have the advantage and you will mocked and laughed at even if what you say is true!" Yeah no thanks. You know how you played it regardless whether you dispute it or not. The time has passed where Pacifica's Emperor's words are taken as pure truth on these boards. The fact that you toed the NSO party line, berated and insulted us, and really didn't have an interest in what we had to say remains fact. If something like that can change your position politically then maybe you should re-evaluate your position. [/quote] I'd be happy to visit your forum, comrade. Pacifica maintains an Embassy at GATO, and indeed, I began a thread to you on your forums before the post that I am quoting. Your words dispirit me. We had a good working relationship during your time as AC. I don't think either of our alliance will profit from continuing this exchange, though I sense already a political narrative you choose to build. Good day.

[quote name='magicninja' timestamp='1282174253' post='2422195'] I'm sure you would dispute it but that doesn't make your words any less inflammatory than they were. Perhaps it was not your intention but it is what it is nonetheless. It looks to everyone who has read the posts from GATO that you were not there to hear our side of the story but only to reiterate NSO's side. I can't disagree with that sentiment and I can't blame our leader for becoming defensive to your remarks. [/quote] I will invite you again to Pacifics's Embassy on our forum. If it's your wish to play public politics with private words, I find that rather disappointing.

[quote name='magicninja' timestamp='1282163961' post='2421955'] Well the reasoning is rather clear to anyone. NPO didn't like us canceling on NSO cutting our one tie to their side of the web. When Cortath came to ask about the cancellation it wasn't so much of a "Why did you cancel on NSO" as it was a "How dare you cancel on NSO". People in GATO got defensive after that post and I can't say I blame them. Cortath's attitude showed his mind was made up and he wanted to throw in some parting shots under the guise of diplomacy to say he "tried" to save the treaty. I don't mind. I like it when people show their true colors and this treaty is better off gone. [/quote] If you'd like to continue this discussion, I invite you to open a thread on our Embassy. It's not my intention and have never been to parade our private diplomatic correspondence on the OWF. If that's the route you wish to go, so be it, but I'd like to suggest the option of taking your issues with my private posting privately. Let me simply say publicly, since you've gone out of your way to make these accusations, that I dispute your characterization of my words.

[quote name='TypoNinja' timestamp='1282091795' post='2420676'] You criticizing others on the propriety of their diplomatic actions goes so far beyond stones in glass houses that you've set a gold standard in whatever it is we end up naming what comes after. [/quote] *shrugs* It's y'alls ambassador. You keep on making it seem as if you have no animus towards us and as if you want to work amicably and towards a brighter future. I had many positive experiences with many members of the Entente, particularly in regards to helping defend rogues. Where other alliances did nothing, VE at least made a sincere effort to try. And I contrast those efforts, with the constant [edit]"rather rude posting"[/edit] of Pacifica by the official Ambassador of the Viridian Entente to the New Pacific Order, and I wonder, "Do they really want to try to move relations from the hostilities of the Armageddon War to a kind of neutrality, or are they simply trying to score some cheap political points on the OWF?" I don't know. I'd ask the official VE Ambassador to the NPO, but I have a feeling I know the answer already.

[quote name='Antonio Salovega VI' timestamp='1282068110' post='2419943'] I dislike the fact that I am in agreement with Cortath but in this case I think he is absolutely correct. Since both NPO and GATO agree that this is a sad but understandable occasion, this does not seem to be a resumption in their ancient hostile relations. Rather it seems to be the tried and true path which NPO has always trod. In response to the recent war, the NPO government initially raised their alert status from "CONDESCENDSION & CHUCKLES" to "SPIN DOCTORING". When the war further escalated, NPO was forced to increase the alert to "TREATY CANCELLATION". This is the Alert Stage at which this thread was started and was brought into play as mere camouflage for the fact that like GATO, NPO, too, has let their treaty with the Sith slide. Their next move may be to raise the alert status to "MEATSHIELD BARRACADES". Historically NPO has participated but seldom if ever actually lead the charge. Instead they let their treaty partners bear the brunt of the war and then partially assisted in their post-war recovery. This was argued as being fair and magnanimous on the part of NPO since it was NPO which wanted to prosecute the war in the first place. The final stage after that is "CAPITULATE-SURRENDER". These last two stages will be probably not be implemented for if NPO employs the one, the other will surely follow. CN has learned that NPO tech is highly collectable. For the TL;DR crowd: [IMG]http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r160/qinqe/CN%20Graphics/AS6npoAlertSystem.png[/IMG] [/quote] You know you're the assigned Ambassador from the Viridian Entente to the New Pacific Order?