Cortath

While I enjoyed the last podcast, I was a bit confused by some of mpol's statements, particularly his where he stated that the New Pacific Order had not reached out to FAN, and gave them no respect for what they had gone through. I will take the liberty of copying and pasting the message I sent to the Federation of Armed Nations more than a year ago in our Embassy on their fourms: [quote]Greetings. I am Cortath, the Emperor of the New Pacific Order. As my alliance re-establishes relations with alliances in the wake of what we call the Armageddon War, my eyes turned to FAN. I do not know many of you and you do not know me. I know the history between our alliances, as I have been a member of my alliance for a long time, and I well remember the wars we fought, as I'm sure you do as well. Your war was hard, and you stayed together, and that is something for which my alliance gives you respect. Your war was long, too long, and though I regret the length with which we fought, what is done is done. As I march my alliance towards the future, I seek to forge a new path through CyberNations, which FAN is inevitably a part of. Our two alliances are strong and determined, and have withstood that which makes most alliances crumble. History has shown that. We are unmoved by outside powers, independent and sovereign. I will not white-wash history. Our similarities are those of strength and perhaps respect, not affection. I do however, hope that this embassy can allow to achieve a better mutual understanding as two of the most battle-hardened alliances in the world. [/quote]

[quote name='Antonio Salovega VI' timestamp='1296103252' post='2604385'] [center][IMG]http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r160/qinqe/CN%20Graphics/AS6NPOdiplomaticChecklist.png[/IMG] [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=97705&view=findpost&p=2603679][b][color="#8B0000"]CLICK HERE TO SEE SEE ORIGINAL POST[/color][/b][/url][/center] Do you "perfectly remember" the unrelenting posts filled with profanity, vulgarity and the other abuse that NPO membership heaped on Seth, our #2 FA official, when he C&Ped a standard message which was part of his duties? Do you "perfectly remember" the two days it took for The Great Clown Emperor Chuckles and his Anointed Ones to put a stop to it? Do you "perfectly remember" the lies NPO published while being "one step ahead of the truth"? Do you "perfectly remember" NPO's pitiful whining when NPO was treated to the same journalistic style which did nothing more than mirror NPO's treatment of others? Do you "perfectly remember" the embassy officials NPO demasked? Do you "perfectly remember" the embassies NPO has closed? Do you "perfectly remember" the non-stop whining that has eminated from NPO since it had its rear kicked to the corner? If your memory is as perfect as you claim, you should have no problem with that diplomatic checklist I previously posted and have reposted above. No grudges ... just a few memories. [/quote] As your resident "Great Clown Emperor Chuckles," let me thank you for the inspiration for my new signature. Go NPO Media Corps!

*chuckles* [center][img]http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll236/The_Pale_Horse/npoimperial2.png[/img] [b][size=5][color="#FF0000"]A More Formal Recognition of Hostilities[/color][/size][/b][/center] Today, the forces of the Federation of Armed Nations, the Mushroom Kingdom, The Goon Order of Oppression, Negligence, and Sadism and Umbrella attacked the New Pacific Order in an unprovoked act of aggression. This is the world of Doomhouse. This is the world that the victors of the modern world have brought you. Remaining outside a conflict is casus belli. Being an alliance that has not fought in a single war in more than a year is casus belli. We committed no wrong, true or false, real or made-up. We live in a world where existing against the caprice of the new hegemony is cause to be destroyed. We understand this. And we shall fight against it to our dying breath. [i]Emperor Blackbird New Pacific Order Comrade Chuckles Mary the Fantabulous Imperial Regent of the New Pacific Order Reformed Neutral Menace[/i]

*chuckles* [center][img]http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll236/The_Pale_Horse/npoimperial2.png[/img] [b][size=5][color="#FF0000"]Bring It[/color][/size][/b][/center] Bring it. [i]Emperor Blackbird New Pacific Order Comrade Chuckles Mary the Fantabulous Imperial Regent of the New Pacific Order Reformed Neutral Menace[/i]

[quote name='wickedj' timestamp='1295907743' post='2597189'] fwiw, i dont give a crap if you enter the war or not and i also read the post detailing why this was dropped [/quote] On behalf of the New Pacific Order, I thank you.

[quote name='Ashoka the Great' timestamp='1295815949' post='2594363'] For those calling the NPO "cowards", I should like to point out that Thessaly has no other treaties (that I know of) apart from being a protectorate of the New Pacific Order, so it seems unlikely that Thessaly intends to enter the war. Not to sound like a broken record, but as I noted earlier Thessaly is currently fighting three wars involving [u]one[/u] of their fifteen members, and all wars are defensive. Have I missed something on the OWF with respect to Thessaly? If so, would someone be good enough to point me in the right direction? Right now this announcement makes no sense to me.[snip] [/quote] You are correct, in that at present, Thessaly is fighting three defensive wars. The situation is more complicated than what one can gleam from the CN war screens. If anyone's really all that interested, they can contact me (or Thessaly for that matter). I don't particularly care to parade diplomacy across the OWF.

*chuckles* [center][img]http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll236/The_Pale_Horse/npoimperial2.png[/img] [b][size=5][color="#FF0000"]Invocation of Article II of the Protectorate Treaty between the New Pacific Order and Thessaly[/color][/size][/b][/center] The New Pacific Order invokes Article II of the Protectorate Treaty between the New Pacific Order and Thessaly. We do hereby void the Treaty in its entirety. While we value our relationship with Thessaly and all Thessalians, we do not support their present hostile behavior to a third party. We wish Thessaly and its people all the best in their future endeavors. [i]Emperor Blackbird New Pacific Order Comrade Chuckles Mary the Fantabulous Imperial Regent of the New Pacific Order Reformed Neutral Menace[/i]

What about ...And call me Conrad? To give it some perspective, Congrad shared a Hugo award, which didn't happen very often back then, with Dune, another super awesome book.

[quote name='bros2' timestamp='1293866201' post='2559923'] so if your friend hadn't been attacked we wouldn't have Emperor Chuckles? [/quote] Eh, it would have some eventually, to be quite frank. I had a high level of activity in that other, unnamed world, and it was only a matter of time before I would have figured things out here.

[quote name='Professor Chaos' timestamp='1293857219' post='2559842'] Still sitting on red, twiddling your thumbs and hoping nobody notices you? [/quote] *chuckles* Your wit is as unmatched as your post is relevant to this topic.

[quote name='TypoNinja' timestamp='1293851651' post='2559789'] This is true, when I first joined CN I was raided by someone much larger than me (A whole 1000 NS! ). It was rather disheartening to log in one afternoon and find my nation in ruins. I was days into the game. I had no clue at all the scope of time nation building plays out in (and you thought Eve Online skill training took patience) I didn't understand why I'd been attack, or who was coming after me. It was long long before warchest, hell it was before the idea of even back collecting. But then my alliance explained to me about raiding, sent me money (400k! Holy !@#$ I was rich!) and walked me trough how to kick some raider ass. Unbeknownst to me, they had obviously engaged in some diplomacy on the side as well to get him cleared for counter attack. That got me active, curious and involved. I had to get on IRC to get war instructions, and damn if I never ever got off IRC after that. Seriously I think I've been logged off IRC longer than the time it takes to reboot maybe twice in the last year. When the world goes quiet and nothing is happening on the OWF, IRC is alive and well. This game would have vanished years ago without the IRC. There are dozens, if not hundreds of incidents that never make it off IRC, or involve many hours of IRC but result in 5 minute OWF announcements. And if those are not enough you always have your friends to kick back with and just shoot the !@#$. There are several players who just don't bother with their nation at all, because its a side show, your infra farm is a means to an end, not the goal. I build my nation so that I may be a force to be reckoned with should I be called to war, but buying a wonder every 30 days and importing tech as I can isn't exactly exciting. You know whats exciting? Sitting in back channels on the eve of war, tabbing back and forth from the forums looking for DoW's while you scan a half dozen channels on IRC trying to keep up with rumors, and dealing with your own government duties at the same time as the member only channel explodes to 5 times its usual population and its all people with questions, people who were silent till war broke out but now everybody needs instructions at once. All the while screaming at the CN login page because its 4 minutes till update and the 10,000 people hammering f5 just brought the sever to its knees. I'm getting a buzz just talking about it. [/quote] *chuckles* I too got involved in alliances through a raid. I was just enjoying myself, sitting on Red. An RL friend of mine got raided. I figured, what the heck, I'll help him out. Lo and behold it was FAN, and I was triple nuked by them for retaliating on the raider. Skip ahead a few years, and here I am.

[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1291273714' post='2527902'] Your analysis of MK and Umbrella's raiding is too superficial. GOONS, as an alliance with a low ANS, has more targets than either MK or Umbrella. If there was a (good) raid target in our range, people would jump on it. [/quote] You misapprehend the argument. It's not that MK/Umbrella lack targets, it's that they lack targets whom they could raid that would be profitable. A high NS nation cannot be profitably raided, almost by definition, because if the nation is active enough to get a high NS, it's high enough to fight back from your raid, thereby making your raid unprofitable. Now, if you're not raiding to gain individual national monetary profit, but rather some sort of political reason, then sure, you can throw away a lot of money and time raiding high NS nations, but no one pretends you make money off of it, or that it is often properly called a "raid."

[quote name='Chief Savage Man' timestamp='1291220666' post='2527295'] Join NPO for irony's sake. [/quote] *chuckles* I like irony.

[quote name='bigwoody' timestamp='1291093626' post='2526335'] It's flattering that you think I am holding the strings for so many. Especially nowadays. You'd be amazed the depths we fight to for allies that don't try and throw us under the bus. Ask people who fought us in the last war. Outnumbered for sure, but fighting like hell all the way until our allies were out. You kids can guess which one is more representative, but it is a silly argument. So is the whole thing about NPO wanting a shot at us. It's kind of a known fact that you do, and you don't have to obsess about us every day for it to be true. However, if you want to talk about wedges between the various "ex-Hegemony" factions, anyone with any sense sees our little falling out and your alliance's actions since then is one of the biggest ones. [/quote] The only thing I've stated is that in April 2009 you lied to your people, because you got played. I don't pretend to know if you hold the strings, because I don't care. I got nothing against TORN, bigwoody. Your alliance, when I knew them at all, was a good one and one I was proud to be allied with.

[quote name='Buds The Man' timestamp='1291092566' post='2526313'] LOL thank you for proving my point. You would like a shot at them and that was all i was getting at. oh of course you dont care cortath that is why you and Bilrow both have been here. Now i await Moo and the trifecta shall be complete.Never said NPO was our enemy either just that if you had the oppurtunity you wouldnt pass it up. Branimir confirmed it above and im pretty sure were in that area of influence. [/quote] Nah, any good watcher of the OWF knows that I'm pretty easy to bait to post by having some of bigwoody's people spew some BS. *chuckles*

[quote name='StevieG' timestamp='1291090502' post='2526281'] The NPO is in no place to start lecturing others on "lies". And thats all Ill say on this topic. [/quote] *chuckles* Alrighty. Come back when you want to play again.

[quote name='Buds The Man' timestamp='1291058831' post='2525968'] To invent something that is not there. NPO hates TORN and the feeling is mutual. Valhalla while hate may be a bit strong of a word, has no fondness of NPO. To say we live in fear or are scared of you is to attempt to give yourself much more credit than you deserve. Interestingly enough responding to you is giving you credit as well shame on me. [/quote] I really don't get it. The NPO cares about a lot of things. Your alliances are not among them. I admit, I have no love for bigwoody, whose lies to his alliance and actions in April 2009 are pretty well known on the OWF at this point. But to think us so petty as to hold it against the lot of you is to think rather poorly of an alliance you now claim is your enemy. That is usually a mistake.

*chuckles* [center][img]http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll236/The_Pale_Horse/npoimperial2.png[/img] [b][size=5][color="#FF0000"]Closure of Embassy[/color][/size][/b][/center] The New Pacific Order is not an alliance that cares for pettiness or provocation. In light of the actions of the Mushroom Kingdom during the course of the past several months, highlighted by their most recent behavior in their Embassy on our forums, we no longer care to grant them the privilege to maintain an outpost on our soil from which to launch attacks. We do close their embassy. Should they wish to engage in amicable diplomacy, they know where to find us. [i]Emperor Blackbird Comrade Chuckles New Pacific Order[/i]

Hail the Emperor of the New Sith Order! o/

[quote name='Trikoupis' timestamp='1289473297' post='2510305'] Well, I do hope this was not under the belt from my part . I was just wondering whether it's the author's will or the reception that counts more. Let me give you an example: calling the state of emergency a "dictatorship" can have disastrous effects on the final form of an originally progressive revolutionary movement... In the same way, calling the pacifican way "francoist", which refers to a very specific ideology from another realm, could have similar effects, unintentionally. But that's all trivial really. [/quote] You incorrectly conflate the applications of Francoism to that other realm and the applications here.

[quote name='Steve Buscemi' timestamp='1289417077' post='2509530'] In all fairness, NPO guys are about as serious as they come. I see far more serious/angry posts from NPO members than sarcastic. But to address the OP. Any conflict involving NSO won't amount to much, as all their allies always seem to back out and say NSO told them not to defend them. I hardly imagine NSO getting defended even if someone DoW'ed them with the CB: "Just because." I know NPO wouldn't unless they could win. Although maybe the IC/Brown/Purple allies would. It's funny to think FEAR, NATO, Invicta, etc have more balls than the 'legendary' NPO though. 2010 sure isn't 2007-08. [/quote] Who says these things? I chuckle, don't I?

The prices of the flags are different. We've commissioned different types of flags before, made of different types of material, which have different prices. So what price people are quoting depends on which batch they ordered, as well as whether or not there was international shipping involved. I don't recall how much mine was (I bought it maybe 2+ years ago).

[quote name='Ivan Moldavi' timestamp='1289278570' post='2507306'] Well, from what the Emperor of the NSO said just a little while ago, MK has been paid in full with $3mil and 50 tech. So I guess the government of MK has decided that is sufficient. [/quote] By "paid in full" then does that mean MK wants nothing more? I think my point still stands: if that's the case, that members of the Mushroom Kingdom see fit to spend time justifying money that their government no longer wants speaks quite a bit as how many of them view their place in the world.

[quote name='o ya baby' timestamp='1289278321' post='2507303'] well, i don't actually care about the amount to be paid. i actually don't care about any of this. i just think it's funny that the drama queens at NSO made a big bad thread because one of their "ghosts" did this and this, but he was magically masked as a member blah blah. come on guys, you can do better th--- wait... no you can't. carry on lol [/quote] I'd think you'd care about this in that it says something pretty profound about the state of the government of the Mushroom Kingdom. This situation is easily resolvable and it's within their power to resolve it. They just have to decide if the negative PR is worth the 15M that was never really rightfully theirs to demand (or "negotiate"). That they have not resolved it speaks volumes either of their current view of the world or the effectiveness and makeup of their government. [edit for typos]

[quote name='Lord Strider' timestamp='1289262989' post='2506807'] NSO trying to cut a member and letting them get rolled is not reasonable. Making NSO man up to its members is about the only good response you can give. [/quote] Interesting to see you come out and post, LS. [quote name='AirMe' timestamp='1289264499' post='2506855'] The more things change, the more things stay the same. Now since you can't take justice for past crimes out against the NPO, you are projecting them on to NSO. Hey look, you found a way to make this thread about the NPO! It is like Godwins Law of CN. Eventually every thread becomes about the NPO. [/quote] Ooh, ooh, I'm here now, Airme! What evil have we done here that I must right? ** Kalasin: I strongly recommend joining an alliance that doesn't blanch as much as ODN must be every time you talk.