[quote name='Callebaut' timestamp='1296274775' post='2608525']
Honestly, the spin and fail in this thread is astounding.
Hyrule and Misfits were in peace talks already due to Hyrule's lack of preparation (7 mil warchests on nuclear nations). They asked that we both step out of the war, Misfits said that we were willing to agree to a white peace, but would continue to fight Polar once our slots were free. They declined. Impero, who we had informed of the entire situation, and was well aware of what was going on, then joined the peace talks. Hyrule was given two days notice that VE would put Hyrulean nations in their target lists for the next rotation if peace was not agreed upon. Hyrule declined, and here we are today.
And the claim that Hyrule thought there would be no retaliation from our side is also false. Erik, their Minister of Foreign Affairs, was well aware within a day of war that we were talking with our allies. Sho mispoke and was misinterpreted in that he was assuaging Hyrule's great fear that IRON would activate our recent treaty, when it is not even written in spirit to be military.
The reason we didn't immediately send peace terms wasn't due to our lack of preparation, we sent them because we had previously decided to stay out of the war and we didn't want a drug out conflict ready for one or not. your declaration on NpO gave us the opportunity to be benficial to our protectorate is some way. though small, it was better than doing nothing.
secondly, our reason for declining your counter offer was because it refuted our entire reason for declaring on you guys in the first place, to end your fight against NpO.
[quote]Think some of you who have been immediately jumping on the "VE Sucks!" bandwagon before taking the time to know what you're arguing about are going to look back on this time and be embarrassed about how you've behaved. Take a breath, think about what you're saying, and then put forth an argument that makes sense.
Now it's already been explained several times that this gentlemen's agreement between KoH and Misfit Nations involved a low ranking government member who did not have the authority to make such an agreement. It's also been explained KoH knew what would happen if they did not accept the white peace terms offered. They did not accept the terms. Fine. Now there are two offensive wars by VE against KoH. That's right, two.
Just man up and have some fun. This is not the end of the world for anyone and from what I'm hearing, KoH is learning some valuable lessons in war fighting, war chest importance, and diplomacy. KoH will be a better alliance for having participated in this war, but the biggest lesson they may learn is that being whiny and complaining during wartime is poor form. [/quote]
whiny about getting declared on? oh, no. we do not have a problem fighting you guys. sure, we knew we would lose a good bit of pixels, but pixels are pixles, how many billions of them are there on the internet??? let's not go there, math! why do you think we rejected your counter-offer? we're not stupid enough to believe it to be an idle threat. we saw it coming. no, our problem is not that you are protecting MN by attacking us, which yes, I find very honourable. our problem is you posted your declaration in a blog, not on the OWF, with no actual gov signatures in it at all (and what was that said about its not official without signatures?), showing blatant disregard for KoH's sovereignty as an alliance. perhaps to spare yourselves humiliation for attacking a mini (which happened anyway), or simply because you didn't really think of it as a big deal. either way, we at KoH felt dishonoured by your lack of respect in the way you decided to declare on us, not the declaration itself. and we don't know anything about proper diplomacy?
[quote]You can clearly see we are defeated. We have an enemy with half the WCs we do, who has their members sending requests for peace to our members every day, who has had one of their top nations surrender, and who cant take two more nations attacking them. Man if only we could see the writing on the wall.......riiiiight [/quote]
you left out the part where your alliance only had half the nuke capable nations that we had at the start of the war, which did have a large impact on the turnout of the past week of fighting