Omniscient1 Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1340144162' post='2989249'] [ooc] Of course not, the only way to push someone out of the game nowadays is to harass them IRL until they flee to regain some sense of sanity in their personal lives. There's no need for war! [/ooc] [/quote] They did actually declare wars on Kait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixoux Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='AirMe' timestamp='1340137803' post='2989149'] People like you say this every war and yet C&G is still around. [/quote] See? SF and C&G have more in common than most think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroofTime55 Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='Mandellav' timestamp='1340135008' post='2989098'] 2. TLR's decision to declare war on RnR has a two-fold purpose. I have always maintained that I like RnR. But RnR's position in the web puts them on the side with those who seek to destroy CnG. We've all known this for years. This is not a shock. But what TLR can do is make damn well sure that RnR faces the post-war with ease. How many of CnG's enemies would do the same for us? I believe RnR gets it and that this is just business-a fun business where things get to be blown up. I wish RnR the best of luck and I hope we can all have fun with this war. [/quote] Honestly, I haven't seen much in the way of "gunning for C&G" except in cases where you support this crap. Honestly, ever since y'all applied some Tinactin to your, erm, special area, I've honestly seen very little hostility at all to your group overall. The lot of you are decent enough folks, 3/4 of you are respectable (TLR included in that), it's only your willingness to immediately revert to supporting MK's ill acts that truly brings you down every 6 months. I'm a critic of these acts and I wouldn't dream of participating in an aggressive action against C&G. It's not you, it's MK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroofTime55 Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1340144395' post='2989253'] They did actually declare wars on Kait. [/quote] But that's a technicality and most certainly not the reason they left. [ooc]Obviously IRL takes precedence over the game, and these two were tormented endlessly [i]while their daughter was missing[/i] and pretty much just because the guy they found had a nice looking car. They continued to be harassed IRL for a long time, Archon even deleted the threads to remove the evidence in case of litigation, and ultimately the two were run out of the game because MK would have never stopped harassing the piss out of them. And every single alliance who continued to hold a treaty with MK during and after that incident is equally responsible for enabling that savage, mob behavior. I will never forgive MK for what they did, and I absolutely believe they deserve to burn. Not just burn, eternal war. And every time they cry "Viet-MK!" and demand peace from "oppressors," everyone should point their fingers to the "bio-dad" incident and reply "No, up yours." Cancer doesn't deserve to be spared from endless rounds of chemo until it is totally and finally dead.[/ooc] Edited June 19, 2012 by HeroofTime55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enamel32 Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Yankees Empire' timestamp='1340132098' post='2989044'] The same thing happened with ODN and Sparta in the last war. Sparta joined XX, a bloc very close to SF, who everyone knew was going to be on the opposite side of ODN and CnG. There were discussions and nobody did anything about it. Then, when the war came, ODN and Sparta were on opposite sides and everyone's feelings got hurt. [/quote] For the historical record, the situation was not quite so simple. Sparta was allied to Asgaard/MJ, who ended up at odds with RnR/SF; however, that didn't really impact our relationship with either ally. As far as Sparta was concerned, we'd probably still be allied to Asgaard if they decided not to merge with Valhalla. ODN was a completely different trainwreck. CnG pulled the same shens on RnR that they pulled on Sparta last war, which is unfortunate for RnR, but likely worse for CnG in the longterm of their political viability. EDIT: added some clarity. Edited June 19, 2012 by Enamel32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pingu Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 *checks political viability meter Looks pretty full to me. *shrug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enamel32 Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='Pingu' timestamp='1340147033' post='2989302'] *checks political viability meter Looks pretty full to me. *shrug [/quote] I'm glad you look viable.....to yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omniscient1 Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1340146346' post='2989287'] But that's a technicality and most certainly not the reason they left.[/quote] Fair enough. [quote][ooc]Obviously IRL takes precedence over the game, and these two were tormented endlessly [i]while their daughter was missing[/i] and pretty much just because the guy they found had a nice looking car. They continued to be harassed IRL for a long time, Archon even deleted the threads to remove the evidence in case of litigation, and ultimately the two were run out of the game because MK would have never stopped harassing the piss out of them. And every single alliance who continued to hold a treaty with MK during and after that incident is equally responsible for enabling that savage, mob behavior. I will never forgive MK for what they did, and I absolutely believe they deserve to burn. Not just burn, eternal war. And every time they cry "Viet-MK!" and demand peace from "oppressors," everyone should point their fingers to the "bio-dad" incident and reply "No, up yours." Cancer doesn't deserve to be spared from endless rounds of chemo until it is totally and finally dead.[/ooc] [/quote] I disagree with perma-war. I happen to believe that most of the people inside MK are good people. Even the MKers I don't really care for and disagree with. The fact is because no one is standing up they have to continuously keep pushing the envelope until someone does which leads to bad things being done on Planet Bob and on rare occasions even outside of this plane. I'm not trying to defend it in any way, but I don't believe they need to be culled from Digaterra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1340147293' post='2989314'] I disagree with perma-war. I happen to believe that most of the people inside MK are good people. Even the MKers I don't really care for and disagree with. The fact is because no one is standing up they have to continuously keep pushing the envelope until someone does which leads to bad things being done on Planet Bob and on rare occasions even outside of this plane. I'm not trying to defend it in any way, but I don't believe they need to be culled from Digaterra. [/quote] I don't. If there are 'good' MKers then what the hell are they doing in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omniscient1 Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='James Dahl' timestamp='1340147449' post='2989317'] I don't. If there are 'good' MKers then what the hell are they doing in there. [/quote] Friendship, that's why most people join an alliance. It's not hard to fall in with the wrong people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o ya baby Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='James Dahl' timestamp='1340147449' post='2989317'] I don't. If there are 'good' MKers then what the hell are they doing in there. [/quote] wow im a good person pls don't judge my character!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jgoods45 Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1340148206' post='2989344'] Friendship, that's why most people join an alliance. It's not hard to fall in with the wrong people. [/quote] *insert something here about beauty is in the eye of the beholder except in this case, who are the wrong people* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotillion Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='James Dahl' timestamp='1340147449' post='2989317'] I don't. If there are 'good' MKers then what the hell are they doing in there. [/quote] we're having a smashing good time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroofTime55 Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1340147293' post='2989314'] I disagree with perma-war. I happen to believe that most of the people inside MK are good people. Even the MKers I don't really care for and disagree with. The fact is because no one is standing up they have to continuously keep pushing the envelope until someone does which leads to bad things being done on Planet Bob and on rare occasions even outside of this plane. I'm not trying to defend it in any way, but I don't believe they need to be culled from Digaterra. [/quote] [ooc]I view what they did as, essentially, an unforgivable sin. There is no redemption for what they did. I'm OK with [i]some[/i] of their members being granted peace on a case-by-case basis as long as they vacate the AA, but that alliance has fostered some of the most truly IRL immoral, illegal, unethical and downright evil activities. I disagree on the need to dive OOC as an acceptable avenue for "pushing the envelope." This is a !@#$ing online spreadsheet simulator, the object of which is to press buttons to make the other guy's numbers smaller. That is absolutely in no valid view of ethics an acceptable thing over which to IRL harass people over however many months it took before Kait and Hoo decided that it was better to leave and eliminate the never-ending harassment in their personal lives. This is a !@#$ing game. And MK is a cancerous tumor of a community that transcends the realm of this game to assault and harass players IRL. Maybe half of MK outright earned the right to be put under EZI, as I view anyone committing OOC, IRL harassment of this magnitude should be. As a counter example, take GOONS, an alliance I legitimately like a lot in an OOC sense. They are always pushing the envelope, but they do it pretty much entirely IC, which IS a valid route of pushing the envelope. They're my in-game opponents and oppressors, but OOC I truly love what they are doing, because it's the valid way to play the bad guy. GOONS brings something to the game, not to people's IRL doorstep.[/ooc] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omniscient1 Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Feel free to pm and I'll continue. Otherwise let's get back on track about how far the people in TLR have fallen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='AirMe' timestamp='1340117586' post='2988876'] TLR has also never refused to defend an ally. Again, you are just making things up. [/quote] You would be right if I was specifically talking about TLR, but I was talking about CnG in general and three of the alliances of your bloc has history of not defending their allies, both of them(ODN and The International) with very recent ones when they were already in CnG, so sorry, but I stand corrected. [quote name='Jrenster' timestamp='1340117036' post='2988868'] I'm not here to talk about Polar. I'm just pointing out his arguments. My favorite part is how you realize you've been debunked so you try to see if you can snatch some points by ignoring the main point and focusing on a one sentence statement AirMe made. [/quote] Thanks for proving me right, you really doesn't know what hypocrisy means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jgoods45 Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1340148985' post='2989371'] Feel free to pm and I'll continue. Otherwise let's get back on track about how far the people in TLR have fallen. [/quote] The people in TLR are able to take into account how the decisions we make today will impact us (and C&G) in the future and we will adjust ourselves accordingly to attain the best possible results for ourselves and our allies. Edited June 19, 2012 by Jgoods45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omniscient1 Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='AirMe' timestamp='1340117586' post='2988876'] TLR has also never refused to defend an ally. Again, you are just making things up. [/quote] Athens and GR have. LOST threatens to cancel treaties if you end up on the opposite side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingervites Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1340147293' post='2989314'] Fair enough. I disagree with perma-war. I happen to believe that most of the people inside MK are good people. Even the MKers I don't really care for and disagree with. The fact is because no one is standing up they have to continuously keep pushing the envelope until someone does which leads to bad things being done on Planet Bob and on rare occasions even outside of this plane. I'm not trying to defend it in any way, but I don't believe they need to be culled from Digaterra. [/quote]I have only met a few good people from MK, the rest have either been at best neutral for me or !@#$%s. I am sure there are more good people in it that I haven't met but even so the voices of the @$$es is much louder than the decent people I have come across to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jgoods45 Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1340149453' post='2989382'] Athens and GR have. LOST threatens to cancel treaties if you end up on the opposite side. [/quote] We informed all allies of what side we would be supporting before anything went down and we utilized non-chaining clauses. That is what they are there for. As for the =LOST= thing, I honestly have no idea if that's true or not nor do I care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandellav Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1340149453' post='2989382'] Athens and GR have. LOST threatens to cancel treaties if you end up on the opposite side. [/quote] I must have had too many Jager bombs at the Three Dragons casino in downtown New Vegas last night, but when exactly did =LOST= threaten to cancel a treaty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingervites Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 [quote name='James Dahl' timestamp='1340147449' post='2989317'] I don't. If there are 'good' MKers then what the hell are they doing in there. [/quote]Maybe they are being manipulated, sorta like the belligerents in this war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enamel32 Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 [quote name='Jgoods45' timestamp='1340149332' post='2989379'] The people in TLR are able to take into account how the decisions we make today will impact us (and C&G) in the future and we will adjust ourselves accordingly to attain the best possible results for ourselves and our allies. [/quote] Isn't that why people were so mad at GOD........dictating the decisions of others......? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankees Empire Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 [quote name='Enamel32' timestamp='1340150646' post='2989406'] Isn't that why people were so mad at GOD........dictating the decisions of others......? [/quote] Except nobody dictated INT's decision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jgoods45 Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Enamel32' timestamp='1340150646' post='2989406'] Isn't that why people were so mad at GOD........dictating the decisions of others......? [/quote] Implying that we dictate to any of our allies. But it's nice to see you admit that is what is going on within your SF/XX back channels! Edited June 20, 2012 by Jgoods45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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