Imperial Decree from the New Pacific Order

[enderland]

Oh, I have no doubt that many of them care to see the NPO disbanded and many of its members put on EZI/PZI/ZI/whatever list they want. Whether or not they'd have the fortitude to actually follow through is what some people doubt.

What I meant is that while some in Karma are disturbed at the lengths Karma will go to destroy the NPO, most take it was a smile and try to justify it instead of stand up to the NPO must be dismantled sentiment.

After all the "do something about its" from your alliance I think you greatly overestimate the sympathy you get.

"do something about it"

"done"

"baby dont hurt us plz let us surrender we were only kidding about actually doing something about it"

[Delta1212]

Sequence of the build up to the war from SF's perspective as presented in a rough amalgamation of faux conversations based on what was said at various points in our discussions:

Step 1:

"Grämlins is going to leave Q"

"What the $%&@ are they doing? Half of Q hates them, they're going to get rolled!"

"What the hell do we do?"

"We should stand firm with them and nobody'll be able to start !@#$."

"$%&@. No way this isn't going to spark a war, but fine."

"Ok, time to start buying nukes and finding allies. We need to circle the wagons or we're going to get stomped."

Step 2:

"Anyone else getting felt out in that familiar failure-to-be-subtle way to see if we want to get closer to Q and/or think Grämlins suck?."

"Yeah, Dilber asked Fark and Rok if they'd like an invite to Continuum."

"Well don't tell him no. We don't want them thinking we'll side with Grämlins if/when it comes down to it or we paint a target on ourselves."

"Oh hell, Dilber found out we told SF and now he's pissed because he told us not to tell anyone."

"He thought you wouldn't tell us? What the hell kind of blocs has he been in?"

"Oh $%&@, Grinch just log-dumped Hoo saying we'd side against NPO."

"What? Why the $%&@ was Hoo talking to Grinch about anything?"

"So there goes any chance of flying under the radar."

"We are so going to get targeted."

"Oh for $%&@'s sake, now Hoo is retiring. God dammit, Hoo."

Step 3:

"Bud seemed like he was fishing for information so Xiph told him we were going to attack Continuum and then destroy Grämlins to see if it gets spread around."

"Well this will end well."

"You should probably tell Grämlins."

"Already did."

"Ok cool."

"Oh lord, Continuum is going around to all your allies with it now."

"God this is funny. They think Xiphosis is trying to mastermind their destruction."

"So anyway, it seems we've stumbled on a bunch of other people trying to form a bloc."

"We've got FOK, Umbrella, MHA, and Sparta in talks with us."

"They're trying to get Grämlins and maybe TOP."

"Ok, so TOP thinks it's stupid."

"Ugh, now some people in Umbrella are worried because TOP doesn't like it."

"Oh for god's sake, MHA wants to bring in NPO."

"Oh damn Vox! They plastered it all over the forums. Are they trying to kill this?"

"Alright, well MHA won't do it without Grämlins. Grämlins won't do it without MHA and Umbrella won't do it without either."

"Now Grämlins just don't want to join it."

"Ok, well that idea went well."

Step 4:

"Rok is having some problems."

"Awesome."

"Hal says TailsK might go defect to NPO or something."

"Jesus Christ..."

"And... Hal just went and joined Valhalla."

"And he's sending us taunting PMs telling us we're all talk and if we wanted a war we should go start one. Also that he screenshotted our boards."

"..."

"Is he high?"

"Now VE and the International are going at it. Can we keep people we need with us from killing each other please?"

"Oh god, Continuum are so going to turn this into a PR disaster for us."

"IRON just gave VE notice."

"And VE just canceled on NPO and GGA."

"So, guys, Kait decided this would be a good time to cancel on their NPO treaty."

"Well, this is going to be interesting."

"And there goes the FA blitz."

"We've got three NPO diplomats on our boards right now, and two of them are Dilber and Triyun."

"Yeah, we have Moo on ours."

"Jesus, everyone I talk to has an NPO Q&A going on."

"Holy !@#$, they're scared..."

"Oh man, they gave back MK's first strike policy for a PIAT?"

"Apparently they asked for an MDP and the membership shot it down hard."

"Yeah, that PIAT really accomplished alot. Especially since Archon keeps saying he wants to stay out of this anyway."

"Eh, I don't think his membership will let him, but we'll see."

Step 5:

"Hey guys, a bunch of people in Valhalla are in peace mode."

"Oh !@#$, more are dropping in."

"TPF, too."

"Most of Q."

"Jesus, this could be legit. I'd get everyone to Defcon 1 ASAP."

"Vanguard says TORN is shopping around a CB against OV but they won't say what it is. Apparently they requested MK help them but didn't have a lot of luck."

"Any idea what the CB is?"

"At the moment it's something about spying on TPF, but the details keep changing."

"So it's BS?"

"Probably but they won't commit to anything so we don't even know what their CB is let alone what its validity might be."

"Well we'd better try to find out."

"They're rebuffing all offers of mediation saying to wait closer to update."

"What?! Are we supposed to find out what the CB is in their DoW?"

"Well it's not like we have a lot of options here."

"I could always cancel our PIAT with them citing manufacturing a CB. Getting that out their now would make it near impossible diplomatically to declare tonight. Buy some time."

"Yeah, but we don't know for sure it is manufactured because we don't know what it is, and that would come back to bite us."

"I could always change CB to war. If withholding any information on a casus belli and rebuffing any attempts at diplomacy until the universally recognized declaration time isn't trying to manufacture a war, I don't know what is."

"Yeah, that works."

"Well, we got them into talks finally. Apparently, OV is being accused of signing a treaty with Blackstone, spying on TPF and on NPO."

"Do they have any evidence?"

"They're saying OV has to admit to and if they don't before evidence is presented it means they haven't learned anything."

"What a load of horse !@#$."

"Apparently, TOP and MHA are leaving Continuum. Grämlins say they should be free of obligations by Monday."

"Oh my god, mhawk just told Impero to roll the hard six in talks."

"You have to be joking. That is !@#$@#$ hilarious."

"Dammit, they actually did accept a screenshot from Blackstone."

"Oh hell. That's just going to let them dig in despite having jack to back up their accusations."

"They've basically dropped all the other issues now that they have something to latch onto that they didn't make up, even if it is stupid."

"Gotta love how TORN and TPF have been negotiating with OV over a screenshot of NPO's forums. Yep, they definitely had real grievances before this all started, because that's exactly what would happen."

"Chill thinks the CB is legit and won't vote in favor of a war."

"So, everyone else in Grämlins is for it."

"They require a unanimous council vote to declare war or something. However it works, it basically gives Chill veto power over declaring war."

"!@#$"

"Grämlins is basically revolting, they've got a poll going that's ridiculously in favor of war but it doesn't mean anything legally."

"With Grämlins looking like they won't come in, a lot of people are saying we should just let them have OV now and they don't want to fight."

"You have got to be !@#$@#$ kidding me. We can win this, and now it's going to fizzle out. An entire coalition built itself up this weekend. No way in hell is that going to happen again."

"We've still got preparations going on. If we let them ZI the guy that accepted the screens, we can take another stab at this later."

"I already did that once with iClean. No way in hell am I doing that again."

"Agreed. KasMage was supposed to serve a single ZI sentence, then had it switched to PZI when he reached it. We're defending our our friends."

"Alright, find out who will still go in and everybody prepare to pull a FAN."

"C&G is still in. So is VE."

"Sparta is with us. I gave Tulak plenty of outs to avoid getting stomped but he's still coming in."

"Anyone still have a link to the topic where I outlined ideas for fighting an indefinite guerrilla war?"

"Oh, someone pointed out that TPF had to accept info to find out OV accepted the screenshot. Chill says he'd back an offer of exchanging expulsion from OV and ZI for the identity of person who gave the info to TPF, or mhawk's ZI if they can't or won't give it up."

"What?"

"Well, this'll be interesting."

"Yeah, that isn't going to go over well."

"At least our side has settled down a bit."

"Honestly, I'm not sure this is going to break out in a war. They've already been worked down to accepting a single ZI sentence. I can see them turning over the informant."

"Guys, look at the war screen."

"No way."

"Did they seriously just declare war in the middle of negotiations?"

"Well, here we go!"

"You know, I think there's a chance we might survive this after all."

Edit: It took so long to type that the thing it's addressed to fell way, way back, but I'm not deleting all of that.

Edited June 15, 2009 by Delta1212

[Ogaden]

After all the "do something about its" from your alliance I think you greatly overestimate the sympathy you get.

"do something about it"

"done"

"baby dont hurt us plz let us surrender we were only kidding about actually doing something about it"

Brandon is in SSSW18...

[Qazzian]

How come it's bloodlust to exterminate the most violent and warlike alliance in the history of Bob? Couldn't you claim peacekeeping? Maybe there new charter should be like Japans and have an article 9 declaring them unable to have a military forever and be pro-peace. They did that to the GPA you know. They neutered the neutral alliance that had never been in a single war ever. Never put an alliance out of existence, never did half the many wrongs P has done. It's not bloodlust to want 'em wiped off bob, it's kind of reasonable. They shouldn't be pzi/ezi, just neutered. They can't handle the power. They always abused it, and usually for bad or flimsy reasons. Mostly for fun I imagine.

So these terms... don't do any of that they allow P to continue. Seems mighty mighty kind to me considering the long history of just insane sh*t NPO has pulled on bob. If they had to write an honest book about what as an alliance P was guilty for they would fill more pages than any other alliance, they would fill volumes of books.

Well, how about the flipside of that coin: The NPO wanted to be peacekeepers, and the easiest way is to make sure everyone is in line. How can there be wars if everyone is standing on the same side?

[mkoricic]

Those terms and the justifications used show that this war is more about revenge and grudges than setting the world on a new path. Karma has seemingly succumbed to its members bloodlust and won't be happy until NPO is completely destroyed. Karma went from ending the hegemony to settling scores from long ago and few in Karma seem to care.

In a few weeks, maybe the leaders of the 18 alliances that make up Karma will manage to find a way to get acceptable terms together. Probably not though.

The terms offered are acceptable terms.

[Xiphosis]

Sequence of the build up to the war from SF's perspective as presented in a rough amalgamation of faux conversations based on what was said at various points in our discussions:

*sigh*

So painfully true.

[Grossman]

Well, how about the flipside of that coin: The NPO wanted to be peacekeepers, and the easiest way is to make sure everyone is in line. How can there be wars if everyone is standing on the same side?

Edit: I'll edit this.

So I won't say what I said before, but just because you say that this is a black and white coin/flip thing doesn't mean it is. It doesn't work like that, the world is not absolutes. The NPO may have been peacekeepers in good faith and wanted by the majority of the people on bob.... some of the time. How often of the time they were on the right side of those "peacekeepings" is subject to well... Karma it would seem. Learn this lesson... what NPO did was not peacekeeping, if you think it is then you have failed to understand what they did and/or what peacekeeping is.

Edited June 15, 2009 by Grossman

[enderland]

Yeah delta, as someone in Gre initially and then in an alliance very tied to what happens, I think that is EXACTLY how I saw things happen too.

Also at the random NPOer - sorry dude, I can't keep track of so many people that don't have alliance tags here.

[WarriorConcept]

Thanks for the input, WC. The door is right there, btw. Feel free to use it.

Good bye

[mykep]

I can not believe this thread is still going on. If I have to write about this thread AGAIN in next weeks Trashcat cause its still alive and kicking Im gonna be pissed.

Why? You make this thread so much better. Also, where are my cards?

[ShinRa]

Well, how about the flipside of that coin: The NPO wanted to be peacekeepers, and the easiest way is to make sure everyone is in line. How can there be wars if everyone is standing on the same side?

No, on the flip side of the coin the NPO wanted Order. It's order. A dictatorship where they stood on top and could not be opposed.

Peace was a mere side effect to this, with them being able to either wait until an opportunity arrived so that an alliance could be massed and attacked by the NPO and it's mob or one could be created.

Peacekeepers don't try to kill every single person who exhibits freedom outside their control or free thinking. You did, end of subject.

Edited June 15, 2009 by ShinRa

[bkphysics]

Completely awesome summary of the build up.

Delta, awesome, thank you!

[enderland]

Well, how about the flipside of that coin: The NPO wanted to be peacekeepers, and the easiest way is to make sure everyone is in line. How can there be wars if everyone is standing on the same side?

You didn't just say this did you?

No?

No?

Ok you did.

NPO has no interest in peacekeepers. They do have a vested interest in remaining number 1 politically and militarily.

[Nintenderek]

Sequence of the build up to the war from SF's perspective as presented in a rough amalgamation of faux conversations based on what was said at various points in our discussions:

Step 1:

"Grämlins is going to leave Q"

"What the $%&@ are they doing? Half of Q hates them, they're going to get rolled!"

"What the hell do we do?"

"We should stand firm with them and nobody'll be able to start !@#$."

"$%&@. No way this isn't going to spark a war, but fine."

"Ok, time to start buying nukes and finding allies. We need to circle the wagons or we're going to get stomped."

Step 2:

"Anyone else getting felt out in that familiar failure-to-be-subtle way to see if we want to get closer to Q and/or think Grämlins suck?."

"Yeah, Dilber asked Fark and Rok if they'd like an invite to Continuum."

"Well don't tell him no. We don't want them thinking we'll side with Grämlins if/when it comes down to it or we paint a target on ourselves."

"Oh hell, Dilber found out we told SF and now he's pissed because he told us not to tell anyone."

"He thought you wouldn't tell us? What the hell kind of blocs has he been in?"

"Oh $%&@, Grinch just log-dumped Hoo saying we'd side against NPO."

"What? Why the $%&@ was Hoo talking to Grinch about anything?"

"So there goes any chance of flying under the radar."

"We are so going to get targeted."

"Oh for $%&@'s sake, now Hoo is retiring. God dammit, Hoo."

Step 3:

"Bud seemed like he was fishing for information so Xiph told him we were going to attack Continuum and then destroy Grämlins to see if it gets spread around."

"Well this will end well."

"You should probably tell Grämlins."

"Already did."

"Ok cool."

"Oh lord, Continuum is going around to all your allies with it now."

"God this is funny. They think Xiphosis is trying to mastermind their destruction."

"So anyway, it seems we've stumbled on a bunch of other people trying to form a bloc."

"We've got FOK, Umbrella, MHA, and Sparta in talks with us."

"They're trying to get Grämlins and maybe TOP."

"Ok, so TOP thinks it's stupid."

"Ugh, now some people in Umbrella are worried because TOP doesn't like it."

"Oh for god's sake, MHA wants to bring in NPO."

"Oh damn Vox! They plastered it all over the forums. Are they trying to kill this?"

"Alright, well MHA won't do it without Grämlins. Grämlins won't do it without MHA and Umbrella won't do it without either."

"Now Grämlins just don't want to join it."

"Ok, well that idea went well."

Step 4:

"Rok is having some problems."

"Awesome."

"Hal says TailsK might go defect to NPO or something."

"Jesus Christ..."

"And... Hal just went and joined Valhalla."

"And he's sending us taunting PMs telling us we're all talk and if we wanted a war we should go start one. Also that he screenshotted our boards."

"..."

"Is he high?"

"Now VE and the International are going at it. Can we keep people we need with us from killing each other please?"

"Oh god, Continuum are so going to turn this into a PR disaster for us."

"IRON just gave VE notice."

"And VE just canceled on NPO and GGA."

"So, guys, Kait decided this would be a good time to cancel on their NPO treaty."

"Well, this is going to be interesting."

"And there goes the FA blitz."

"We've got three NPO diplomats on our boards right now, and two of them are Dilber and Triyun."

"Yeah, we have Moo on ours."

"Jesus, everyone I talk to has an NPO Q&A going on."

"Holy !@#$, they're scared..."

"Oh man, they gave back MK's first strike policy for a PIAT?"

"Apparently they asked for an MDP and the membership shot it down hard."

"Yeah, that PIAT really accomplished alot. Especially since Archon keeps saying he wants to stay out of this anyway."

"Eh, I don't think his membership will let him, but we'll see."

Step 5:

"Hey guys, a bunch of people in Valhalla are in peace mode."

"Oh !@#$, more are dropping in."

"TPF, too."

"Most of Q."

"Jesus, this could be legit. I'd get everyone to Defcon 1 ASAP."

"Vanguard says TORN is shopping around a CB against OV but they won't say what it is. Apparently they requested MK help them but didn't have a lot of luck."

"Any idea what the CB is?"

"At the moment it's something about spying on TPF, but the details keep changing."

"So it's BS?"

"Probably but they won't commit to anything so we don't even know what their CB is let alone what its validity might be."

"Well we'd better try to find out."

"They're rebuffing all offers of mediation saying to wait closer to update."

"What?! Are we supposed to find out what the CB is in their DoW?"

"Well it's not like we have a lot of options here."

"I could always cancel our PIAT with them citing manufacturing a CB. Getting that out their now would make it near impossible diplomatically to declare tonight. Buy some time."

"Yeah, but we don't know for sure it is manufactured because we don't know what it is, and that would come back to bite us."

"I could always change CB to war. If withholding any information on a casus belli and rebuffing any attempts at diplomacy until the universally recognized declaration time isn't trying to manufacture a war, I don't know what is."

"Yeah, that works."

"Well, we got them into talks finally. Apparently, OV is being accused of signing a treaty with Blackstone, spying on TPF and on NPO."

"Do they have any evidence?"

"They're saying OV has to admit to and if they don't before evidence is presented it means they haven't learned anything."

"What a load of horse !@#$."

"Apparently, TOP and MHA are leaving Continuum. Grämlins say they should be free of obligations by Monday."

"Oh my god, mhawk just told Impero to roll the hard six in talks."

"You have to be joking. That is !@#$@#$ hilarious."

"Dammit, they actually did accept a screenshot from Blackstone."

"Oh hell. That's just going to let them dig in despite having jack to back up their accusations."

"They've basically dropped all the other issues now that they have something to latch onto that they didn't make up, even if it is stupid."

"Gotta love how TORN and TPF have been negotiating with OV over a screenshot of NPO's forums. Yep, they definitely had real grievances before this all started, because that's exactly what would happen."

"Chill thinks the CB is legit and won't vote in favor of a war."

"So, everyone else in Grämlins is for it."

"They require a unanimous council vote to declare war or something. However it works, it basically gives Chill veto power over declaring war."

"!@#$"

"Grämlins is basically revolting, they've got a poll going that's ridiculously in favor of war but it doesn't mean anything legally."

"With Grämlins looking like they won't come in, a lot of people are saying we should just let them have OV now and they don't want to fight."

"You have got to be !@#$@#$ kidding me. We can win this, and now it's going to fizzle out. An entire coalition built itself up this weekend. No way in hell is that going to happen again."

"We've still got preparations going on. If we let them ZI the guy that accepted the screens, we can take another stab at this later."

"I already did that once with iClean. No way in hell am I doing that again."

"Agreed. KasMage was supposed to serve a single ZI sentence, then had it switched to PZI when he reached it. We're defending our our friends."

"Alright, find out who will still go in and everybody prepare to pull a FAN."

"C&G is still in. So is VE."

"Sparta is with us. I gave Tulak plenty of outs to avoid getting stomped but he's still coming in."

"Anyone still have a link to the topic where I outlined ideas for fighting an indefinite guerrilla war?"

"Oh, someone pointed out that TPF had to accept info to find out OV accepted the screenshot. Chill says he'd back an offer of exchanging expulsion from OV and ZI for the identity of person who gave the info to TPF, or mhawk's ZI if they can't or won't give it up."

"What?"

"Well, this'll be interesting."

"Yeah, that isn't going to go over well."

"At least our side has settled down a bit."

"Honestly, I'm not sure this is going to break out in a war. They've already been worked down to accepting a single ZI sentence. I can see them turning over the informant."

"Guys, look at the war screen."

"No way."

"Did they seriously just declare war in the middle of negotiations?"

"Well, here we go!"

"You know, I think there's a chance we might survive this after all."

Edit: It took so long to type that the thing it's addressed to fell way, way back, but I'm not deleting all of that.

You know, this was a very, interesting and humerous post, and something tells me it's all true

[buttocks]

Don't try to argue history with me, young Vladimir.

awesome!

[LiquidMercury]

That was glorious Delta. Even though you don't really have Gremlins order of business particularly right spot on, but hey it's close enough. And there was no mention of me

[ironchef]

Sequence of the build up to the war from SF's perspective as presented in a rough amalgamation of faux conversations based on what was said at various points in our discussions:

Step 1:

"Grämlins is going to leave Q"

"What the $%&@ are they doing? Half of Q hates them, they're going to get rolled!"

"What the hell do we do?"

"We should stand firm with them and nobody'll be able to start !@#$."

"$%&@. No way this isn't going to spark a war, but fine."

"Ok, time to start buying nukes and finding allies. We need to circle the wagons or we're going to get stomped."

Step 2:

"Anyone else getting felt out in that familiar failure-to-be-subtle way to see if we want to get closer to Q and/or think Grämlins suck?."

"Yeah, Dilber asked Fark and Rok if they'd like an invite to Continuum."

"Well don't tell him no. We don't want them thinking we'll side with Grämlins if/when it comes down to it or we paint a target on ourselves."

"Oh hell, Dilber found out we told SF and now he's pissed because he told us not to tell anyone."

"He thought you wouldn't tell us? What the hell kind of blocs has he been in?"

"Oh $%&@, Grinch just log-dumped Hoo saying we'd side against NPO."

"What? Why the $%&@ was Hoo talking to Grinch about anything?"

"So there goes any chance of flying under the radar."

"We are so going to get targeted."

"Oh for $%&@'s sake, now Hoo is retiring. God dammit, Hoo."

Step 3:

"Bud seemed like he was fishing for information so Xiph told him we were going to attack Continuum and then destroy Grämlins to see if it gets spread around."

"Well this will end well."

"You should probably tell Grämlins."

"Already did."

"Ok cool."

"Oh lord, Continuum is going around to all your allies with it now."

"God this is funny. They think Xiphosis is trying to mastermind their destruction."

"So anyway, it seems we've stumbled on a bunch of other people trying to form a bloc."

"We've got FOK, Umbrella, MHA, and Sparta in talks with us."

"They're trying to get Grämlins and maybe TOP."

"Ok, so TOP thinks it's stupid."

"Ugh, now some people in Umbrella are worried because TOP doesn't like it."

"Oh for god's sake, MHA wants to bring in NPO."

"Oh damn Vox! They plastered it all over the forums. Are they trying to kill this?"

"Alright, well MHA won't do it without Grämlins. Grämlins won't do it without MHA and Umbrella won't do it without either."

"Now Grämlins just don't want to join it."

"Ok, well that idea went well."

Step 4:

"Rok is having some problems."

"Awesome."

"Hal says TailsK might go defect to NPO or something."

"Jesus Christ..."

"And... Hal just went and joined Valhalla."

"And he's sending us taunting PMs telling us we're all talk and if we wanted a war we should go start one. Also that he screenshotted our boards."

"..."

"Is he high?"

"Now VE and the International are going at it. Can we keep people we need with us from killing each other please?"

"Oh god, Continuum are so going to turn this into a PR disaster for us."

"IRON just gave VE notice."

"And VE just canceled on NPO and GGA."

"So, guys, Kait decided this would be a good time to cancel on their NPO treaty."

"Well, this is going to be interesting."

"And there goes the FA blitz."

"We've got three NPO diplomats on our boards right now, and two of them are Dilber and Triyun."

"Yeah, we have Moo on ours."

"Jesus, everyone I talk to has an NPO Q&A going on."

"Holy !@#$, they're scared..."

"Oh man, they gave back MK's first strike policy for a PIAT?"

"Apparently they asked for an MDP and the membership shot it down hard."

"Yeah, that PIAT really accomplished alot. Especially since Archon keeps saying he wants to stay out of this anyway."

"Eh, I don't think his membership will let him, but we'll see."

Step 5:

"Hey guys, a bunch of people in Valhalla are in peace mode."

"Oh !@#$, more are dropping in."

"TPF, too."

"Most of Q."

"Jesus, this could be legit. I'd get everyone to Defcon 1 ASAP."

"Vanguard says TORN is shopping around a CB against OV but they won't say what it is. Apparently they requested MK help them but didn't have a lot of luck."

"Any idea what the CB is?"

"At the moment it's something about spying on TPF, but the details keep changing."

"So it's BS?"

"Probably but they won't commit to anything so we don't even know what their CB is let alone what its validity might be."

"Well we'd better try to find out."

"They're rebuffing all offers of mediation saying to wait closer to update."

"What?! Are we supposed to find out what the CB is in their DoW?"

"Well it's not like we have a lot of options here."

"I could always cancel our PIAT with them citing manufacturing a CB. Getting that out their now would make it near impossible diplomatically to declare tonight. Buy some time."

"Yeah, but we don't know for sure it is manufactured because we don't know what it is, and that would come back to bite us."

"I could always change CB to war. If withholding any information on a casus belli and rebuffing any attempts at diplomacy until the universally recognized declaration time isn't trying to manufacture a war, I don't know what is."

"Yeah, that works."

"Well, we got them into talks finally. Apparently, OV is being accused of signing a treaty with Blackstone, spying on TPF and on NPO."

"Do they have any evidence?"

"They're saying OV has to admit to and if they don't before evidence is presented it means they haven't learned anything."

"What a load of horse !@#$."

"Apparently, TOP and MHA are leaving Continuum. Grämlins say they should be free of obligations by Monday."

"Oh my god, mhawk just told Impero to roll the hard six in talks."

"You have to be joking. That is !@#$@#$ hilarious."

"Dammit, they actually did accept a screenshot from Blackstone."

"Oh hell. That's just going to let them dig in despite having jack to back up their accusations."

"They've basically dropped all the other issues now that they have something to latch onto that they didn't make up, even if it is stupid."

"Gotta love how TORN and TPF have been negotiating with OV over a screenshot of NPO's forums. Yep, they definitely had real grievances before this all started, because that's exactly what would happen."

"Chill thinks the CB is legit and won't vote in favor of a war."

"So, everyone else in Grämlins is for it."

"They require a unanimous council vote to declare war or something. However it works, it basically gives Chill veto power over declaring war."

"!@#$"

"Grämlins is basically revolting, they've got a poll going that's ridiculously in favor of war but it doesn't mean anything legally."

"With Grämlins looking like they won't come in, a lot of people are saying we should just let them have OV now and they don't want to fight."

"You have got to be !@#$@#$ kidding me. We can win this, and now it's going to fizzle out. An entire coalition built itself up this weekend. No way in hell is that going to happen again."

"We've still got preparations going on. If we let them ZI the guy that accepted the screens, we can take another stab at this later."

"I already did that once with iClean. No way in hell am I doing that again."

"Agreed. KasMage was supposed to serve a single ZI sentence, then had it switched to PZI when he reached it. We're defending our our friends."

"Alright, find out who will still go in and everybody prepare to pull a FAN."

"C&G is still in. So is VE."

"Sparta is with us. I gave Tulak plenty of outs to avoid getting stomped but he's still coming in."

"Anyone still have a link to the topic where I outlined ideas for fighting an indefinite guerrilla war?"

"Oh, someone pointed out that TPF had to accept info to find out OV accepted the screenshot. Chill says he'd back an offer of exchanging expulsion from OV and ZI for the identity of person who gave the info to TPF, or mhawk's ZI if they can't or won't give it up."

"What?"

"Well, this'll be interesting."

"Yeah, that isn't going to go over well."

"At least our side has settled down a bit."

"Honestly, I'm not sure this is going to break out in a war. They've already been worked down to accepting a single ZI sentence. I can see them turning over the informant."

"Guys, look at the war screen."

"No way."

"Did they seriously just declare war in the middle of negotiations?"

"Well, here we go!"

"You know, I think there's a chance we might survive this after all."

Edit: It took so long to type that the thing it's addressed to fell way, way back, but I'm not deleting all of that.

^^

Delta I love you and I'm going to save this forever

Now its not about the war. Its about the reps and why NPO needs to have its nuts cut off

[Ogaden]

Yeah delta, as someone in Gre initially and then in an alliance very tied to what happens, I think that is EXACTLY how I saw things happen too.

Also at the random NPOer - sorry dude, I can't keep track of so many people that don't have alliance tags here.

Maybe you shouldn't throw around accusations then?

[Xiphosis]

That was glorious Delta. Even though you don't really have Gremlins order of business particularly right spot on, but hey it's close enough. And there was no mention of me

That's 'cause it's SF's perspective and we had no idea what the **** you guys were doing for a long time there.

[enderland]

this better?

Maybe you shouldn't throw around accusations then?

After all the "do something about its" from NPO I think you greatly overestimate the sympathy they get.

"do something about it"

"done"

"baby dont hurt us plz let us surrender we were only kidding about actually doing something about it"

[LiquidMercury]

That's 'cause it's SF's perspective and we had no idea what the **** you guys were doing for a long time there.

Playing shadow games....and betraying TOP.

[Bob]

Playing shadow games....and betraying TOP.

I hate you, from the perspective of I just had to think if you were serious or not for a good minute.

[mykep]

Thank you delta.

God dammit, Hoo

Every night I say the same thing.

[Ogaden]

this better?

After all the "do something about its" from NPO I think you greatly overestimate the sympathy they get.

"do something about it"

"done"

"baby dont hurt us plz let us surrender we were only kidding about actually doing something about it"

Alright, can someone point me to where this meme originated from?

[Heracles the Great]

Great summary Delta - I loved it